New coatings?

[chefwong]

:urtheman::urtheman:

I could never wash our dark cars like that....
I need me some water and lots of it...

 

[TTQ B4U]

:urtheman::urtheman:

I could never wash our dark cars like that....
I need me some water and lots of it...

haha! No fear my friend. I've washed my Audi and the van rinseless like that for a long while. ZERO issues. 480gsm Eagle Edgeless Rags soaked in solution, 16 folds per Gary Dean Method and Wolfgang Uber. Plenty of water. Rags weigh about 1.2lbs+ when soaked.

I usually do the van with about 1.5gals. The Audi the same sometimes 2 depending on much I put into the wheels. It varies depending on if I feel like doing the whole wheel vs just the face.

 

[chefwong]

Water conservation rules or by choice...

 

[MrOneEyedBoh]

I'm going to go with the M37 paint coating . 1 year is good for me.

 

[TTQ B4U]

Water conservation rules or by choice...

Choice. I have hot and cold water in a heated garage (no drain though) so in winter my drive would freeze as the water drains outward.

Overall though, I just can get it done faster and cleaner / less fuss by doing a rinseless. 1hr from start to perfect show car finish wheels and all.

With the correct technique there's no more chance of marring or scratching than with a bucket. If anything I think it's safer as there's no re-introduction of a dirty rag or mitt. I did the van with (7) 16x16 rags including 1 for drying using a total of 1.5 gals of rinseless solution.

 

[Jeremy1976]

I just cannot warm up to coatings here in Wisconsin. The winters are too harsh and contaminants will bond to the paint regardless of what you have on it. I just use either Collinite 845 or WG Paint Sealant on my personal cars. They get detailed twice a year and washed weekly during the winter. Even with that, come spring time the paint is peppered with iron deposits.

Specifically for Wisconsin coatings in my opinion are a waste of time and money and do not do anything that a good wax or sealant wont.

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

Regular washing is critical to getting the most out of a coating.

I highly agree but I think this is where the "problem" come in.

How many people regularly wash their car and regularly was their car GENTLY, like I show in this video.

We all know not to scrub the paint when washing. We all know to only use a clean, contaminant free wash mitt when washing and the appropriate car wash soap. But do the customers of coatings?


If the vehicle is not washed often then road film will build up. This is one of my favorite all time articles as it explains road film and where it comes from.


Road Film - If you drive your car in the rain your car has road film





Driving in the rain - For most of us it's unavoidable

And of course, if a person doesn't wash their vehicle carefully, using great technique, a clean wash mitt and a good soap then chances are very good they will put swirls and scratches into the paint. This is probably the most common way cars get swirls and scratches.


So coatings are great. Heck I keep one on our Mercedes-Benz. But I also wash it often and wash it correctly. Because I don't think the masses know how to wash their car correctly nor on a regular basis, I'm not sure applying a coating to their car and then skipping out on any other form of paint cleaning or paint polishing past one year will maintain the appearance created at the time the coating was applied.

Now if the same person gets a wax or synthetic sealant applied and "knows" they must re-wax or re-apply the sealant at least once a year then in most cases, some type of paint prep process is performed and thus the appearance created from the previous detailing session is restored.

So I'm still not ready to say 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, etc. year coatings are a great idea for daily drivers. And especially if like Chad comments, the vehicle is not wash regularly and as I comment, correctly.


Just my two cents...

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

1 year is the max I would go because I can't keep my hands off my car,

I think your sentiment reflects, (no pun intended), how the majority of any person that hangs out on a car detailing forum or in the car detailing FB world, thinks and acts with their car. Thus longevity is not a factor for people into detailing their own cars.

 

[BadgerRivFan]

I just cannot warm up to coatings here in Wisconsin. The winters are too harsh and contaminants will bond to the paint regardless of what you have on it. I just use either Collinite 845 or WG Paint Sealant on my personal cars. They get detailed twice a year and washed weekly during the winter. Even with that, come spring time the paint is peppered with iron deposits.

Specifically for Wisconsin coatings in my opinion are a waste of time and money and do not do anything that a good wax or sealant wont.

I have to respectfully disagree. Last winter I had Collinite 845 as the LSP on my daily driver, and WGDGPS 3.0 as the LSP on my wife's daily driver. Late this fall, I polished both vehicles and applied Gyeon CanCoat to my car and WG Uber Ceramic Coating to my wife's. Both vehicles are rinseless washed weekly to try and stay on top of all of the salt, sand, and road grime. To date I have not had any issues with bonded contaminates using these coatings. I've found that they perform equally as good and perhaps better than 845 and 3.0. I am in southern Wisconsin (Madison) so perhaps the winter road treatments used in this area differ from those in other parts of the State. I have also not experienced any issues with excessive iron deposits on any of my vehicles... I will continue to use coating products for my daily driven vehicles especially during the winter months.

 

[vobro]

I disagree, my daily drivers have been coated and come spring time the vehicles are in noticeably better shape than with sealant or wax. Yes I'll have iron particles,tar and over all filth but the cars clean up way easier with less work. I also wash weekly and have found the coated cars rebound better, when the cars are really bad I'll just power wash then follow with a rinsless. Of coarse coatings are not miracle products but after 5 winters I'll never go back to sealants, as far as your waste of time comment my time is my most precious commodity right now and I spend less time on keeping my cars to a geek level

 

[ct18]

Choice. I have hot and cold water in a heated garage (no drain though) so in winter my drive would freeze as the water drains outward.

Overall though, I just can get it done faster and cleaner / less fuss by doing a rinseless. 1hr from start to perfect show car finish wheels and all.

With the correct technique there's no more chance of marring or scratching than with a bucket. If anything I think it's safer as there's no re-introduction of a dirty rag or mitt. I did the van with (7) 16x16 rags including 1 for drying using a total of 1.5 gals of rinseless solution.

I also stick to rinse-less 90% of the time and both vehicles are dark color. In the warmer months i will get out the foam and so a driveway was. I also never had any issues with water-less or rinse-less.

 

[Eldorado2k]

@pdqgp. Can you do a beading video using a hose nozzle on the shower setting instead of a spray bottle? It's like you're offering us a milkshake, but forcing us to drink through a coffee straw.Lol.


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[TTQ B4U]

@pdqgp. Can you do a beading video using a hose nozzle on the shower setting instead of a spray bottle? It's like you're offering us a milkshake, but forcing us to drink through a coffee straw.Lol.

Not sure the outside temps will allow me to do so until after the weekend as we are well below freezing until then. I can however use a watering can from the garden with a shower like setting though

I want you to realize that if my wife and kids see me watering the van, I'm blaming you for the razzing they will give me.

 

[Paul A.]

I am now using McKee's Paint Coating on mine and the wife's and can attest to both the ease of application and the slickness it leaves after. Plus, as previously mentioned, it's certainly inexpensive within the product family of coatings. I'm "testing" it out as a potential upsell to customers and want to fully evaluate it thoroughly. That includes being able to answer "how long should it last?" either garage kept or left outside: my car and the wife's respectively AND following different "maintenance" schedules i.e. wash cycles.

The way I look at coatings vs. wax and sealants is that I think they offer, in my non-scientific opinion, a more robust protection layer. Like others have expressed, I won't abandon my periodic aggressive washes and my subsequent annual or semi annual corrections although I may do those less frequently now. I hope. I would rather have my car...my rolling advertisement of my services...kept looking good with less "maintenance" in between major correction efforts. And I want to be familiar with my experiences with McKee's coating with regard to it's behavior over time.

We'll see but i like using it so far...

 

[MattPersman]

We now have a 2 micron thick coating in one application with Dr Beasley's product Nano Resin Hydrophobic Coating.

That's a nice coating for the money if you are looking for thickness. Finest is 3 haven't seen any other claim actual measurable thickness


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[TTQ B4U]

Video of McKee's after 5 months

@pdqgp. Can you do a beading video using a hose nozzle on the shower setting instead of a spray bottle? It's like you're offering us a milkshake, but forcing us to drink through a coffee straw.Lol.

Here you go my friend.

 

[Eldorado2k]

Lmao. Hearing that made me feel kinda special!lol.
If you want to catch real grief, try doing that in California while being spotted by a tree hugger. Lol.


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[Eldorado2k]

As far as the coating, I wish my results were anywhere near that. It's currently raining today, and all I've got to show is this... Boring....

To be continued... my phones about to die! Lol.


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[Eldorado2k]

That video's funny. Lol. I finally got to watch it in peace [meaning on wi fi instead of having it lag every few seconds thx to my lame cell phone coverage]

This is the 2nd pic that I meant to post, not sure why I posted the same pic twice.

Ok so 6 months sounds impressive.. How does it fare on the baggie test at this point? Have you clayed it in the past 6 months, or is it as is from the day you 1st coated it?

IME the beadings so ordinary that I honestly have gotten to the point where I'm over it, and I was very close to turning my hood into a collage of different products last night in anticipation for today's rainfall... [I did a full quik detail inside & out on my car yesterday] The only thing that stopped me was remembering that I've got a bottle of Ech2o on the way, so I'll hold off for at least a few more days but then it's onto more exciting things.

As far as it's performance on my DD, I was initially impressed with the somewhat noticeable way it seemed to repel dust longer than before, but that's long gone, it gets dirty just fine these days.. I did a quik baggy test about 3 weeks ago and there was the beginnings of light contamination that could be felt. I'm about to give it another baggie test in a few minutes...

As far as making the paint pop: I honestly was expecting more. Actually I was expecting something.. But TBO I couldn't tell a difference from before and after applying. For example, a good sealant will at the very least look amazing in the short term due to the carrier oils, but with the coating I literally saw zero difference in the paint, no darkening, no nothing. I was like "alrighty then"

.... Waiting on Ech2o.



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[TTQ B4U]

Ok so 6 months sounds impressive.. How does it fare on the baggie test at this point? Have you clayed it in the past 6 months, or is it as is from the day you 1st coated it?

Funny you mentioned it as I just went out there tonight while my kids had the house occupied with a dozen friends over. Even the basement man-cave was taken, so the dog and I litterally went and cleaned up the cars and watched TV out there My wife locked herself in her office and read on the couch with our other dog.

I did a baggie test tonight after wiping off the water spotted area from that video. Very little if any contaminants on the hood and nothing on the doors above the moldings. Very little below. Likely tar or road gunk, but again, minimal.

IME the beadings so ordinary that I honestly have gotten to the point where I'm over it, and I was very close to turning my hood into a collage of different products last night in anticipation for today's rainfall... [I did a full quik detail inside & out on my car yesterday] The only thing that stopped me was remembering that I've got a bottle of Ech2o on the way, so I'll hold off for at least a few more days but then it's onto more exciting things.

IIRC you and I exchanged texts about reload a few months back. back when I had the OLD formula and hated it. I bring it up as in all fairness, what you see on the van is likely a result of my use of a mix of ECH20 and Reload as my detail spray. Being both my vehicles are black and I'm OCD, I do use it after ever wash to help insure the cars are streak free, no spots remain and they look their best. I also wash with Uber rinseless, thus between those three products, yeah, the cars are fully coated and protected pretty solidly.

As far as it's performance on my DD, I was initially impressed with the somewhat noticeable way it seemed to repel dust longer than before, but that's long gone, it gets dirty just fine these days.. I did a quik baggy test about 3 weeks ago and there was the beginnings of light contamination that could be felt. I'm about to give it another baggie test in a few minutes...

I think the contamination concern has been covered by Mike and others though. It's normal. I don't think a coating is going to stop it. I've used other coatings besides McKee's and saw simliar to the same performance from them all. I moved to McKee's because of cost/value as on a daily, I do light polishing 1-2 times per year on them and it removes the coating anyway.

As far as making the paint pop: I honestly was expecting more. Actually I was expecting something.. But TBO I couldn't tell a difference from before and after applying. For example, a good sealant will at the very least look amazing in the short term due to the carrier oils, but with the coating I literally saw zero difference in the paint, no darkening, no nothing. I was like "alrighty then"

Hmmm. I can't say I saw much darkening on my car as it's pure black. Wife's car and others that are metallic I have seen a slight darkening. More than anythign though I notice the "candy" like gloss more than with other products. It was noticeable on my car for sure. Even my neighbors notice it and still comment on it. Truly looks wet. My son calls it "black ice" so I kinda adopted that too

.... Waiting on Ech2o.

I think you'll like it. I do 1:20 mixture and put 3oz of reload in a 32oz sprayer, then fill to 31oz with ECH20. See the photo above. LOVE IT as a detail spray. Leaves the surface as slick as the day I coated it. Really has a great shine. Looking at the van again tonight in the garage and I'm impressed with the gloss level.

Keep me posted. Looking forward to your video in return. haha!