New Found Life With Optimum Microfiber Pads And The Flex 3401...

07 z-oh-6 said:
Meguiars claims the finishing and cutting MF is the different, I'm not so sure about that. I went with the Optimum discs because they offer 4.25" cutting pads for the 3401. I should be receiving them today. :righton:
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Hi mark. Any news on this? How's the 4.25 mf pad on the 3401?
 
Does the Optimum MF pads work better with Hyper Compound/Polish Spray or Polish II/Compound II?
 
bmwgeek said:
Does the Optimum MF pads work better with Hyper Compound/Polish Spray or Polish II/Compound II?
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We recommend the Hyper Sprays because they prime the MF very well without the need to kneed it in by hand, but they will perform well with either.
 
Whew, it's been a long winter in Eastern Ontario and my family's stable of cars need some work done. I haven't logged into AG for a few months, but when I did I saw that Optimum has microfiber pads. Sweeeeeet! :buffing:

I have an '02 Accent that I did a full correction on last year and protected it over the winter with Collinite #845. I'm thinking I only need to use Poli-Seal (liquid) to correct any minor swirls, topped with BFWD.

The other vehicles... full corrections will be needed. Dark metallic grey '03 Malibu, beige '05 Jeep Commander SUV and a black '03 Chevy Cobalt SS.

I have a PC7424XP with LC 5" and 3.5" backing plates. With that said, here are my questions:

1. How many pads? I'm thinking 3x 5.25" cutting, 3x 5.25" polishing and 1 each of the 4" pads.

2a. I don't have the new spray G-P-S. Will liquid PoliSeal be fine?

2b. I'm planning on using Hyper Spray Compound with the cutting pads followed by Hyper Spray Polish with the polishing pads. Do the polishing pads finish down LSP ready or will I need to apply PoliSeal first as a finish polish?

3. What's the proper method for cleaning MF pads? Is Detailer's Pro Series Polishing Pad Rejuvenator safe to use?


Thanks for all your help everyone.
 
StoneRaizer said:
I have a PC7424XP with LC 5" and 3.5" backing plates. With that said, here are my questions:

1. How many pads? I'm thinking 3x 5.25" cutting, 3x 5.25" polishing and 1 each of the 4" pads.

Typically you will need double the cutting pads compared to polishing due to the amount of material cutting pads remove. Claying and decon helps, but I'd still get more cutting pads. Also, MF pads need to be switched after a panel or two to prevent thermal breakdown. You can use them again after a couple of sections. One each of the smaller pads should be fine unless you have a lot of cut in work and then I'd get two cutting pads.

2a. I don't have the new spray G-P-S. Will liquid PoliSeal be fine?

Yes, but most people use too much and it clogs pads prematurely. So after you prime the pad, you will only need to add a little. Placement of the product on the da should be around the outer edge, while if using the rotary you'd put it closer to the center.

2b. I'm planning on using Hyper Spray Compound with the cutting pads followed by Hyper Spray Polish with the polishing pads. Do the polishing pads finish down LSP ready or will I need to apply PoliSeal first as a finish polish?

That depends on the paint. Always do a test spot to nail down your process on each car.

3. What's the proper method for cleaning MF pads? Is Detailer's Pro Series Polishing Pad Rejuvenator safe to use?

You only need to use laundry detergent. The product you mention is made for foam pads. If you need stronger cleaning, presoak in warm water before washing in the washer.

Thanks for all your help everyone.
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Let me know if you need further assistance.

Chris@Optimum
 
Chris@Optimum said:
K,

You don't have to look it up. Ours were the same initially, but we actually changed both the Cutting Pads and the new Polishing Pads to different materials with the current refresh. And the thicker foam interface with open cell foam (compared to Meg's closed cell) .
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With all due respect Chris, this information is not accurate about the Meguiar's Microfiber Cutting Disc. The foam is not closed cell.
 
Jason Rose said:
With all due respect Chris, this information is not accurate about the Meguiar's Microfiber Cutting Disc. The foam is not closed cell.
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No offense taken, Jason. I can be wrong...but I got that info from the guy that initially designed the pads for Meg's so I assumed he is in the know. Do you know if this was something that was changed or if it was never the case?
 
ZEE BEST said:
They actually work pretty good! :dblthumb2:[/

Hi mark. Is it not grabby? Is it easy to control? Not walking around? How about the finish? I heard that for 3401, 6in is better.
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Chris@Optimum said:
No offense taken, Jason. I can be wrong...but I got that info from the guy that initially designed the pads for Meg's so I assumed he is in the know. Do you know if this was something that was changed or if it was never the case?
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I don't know how "the guy" can sleep at night. He did not design the pad for Meguiar's.

The only closed cell foam version "the guy" did for Meguiar's was the very first version for auto OEM factories. I'm going back over 10 years ago. This version of the pad never made it to aftermarket by Meguiar's, for a list of reasons... I will let you imagine reasons why.

Look, Chris. You don't know me very well. We've only met once at Mobile Tech. You have no reason to believe anything I say. But there is much a won't say on a public forum...including some of the the facts on this matter.

What I will say is this...to set the record straight...

The official undesputed inventor of the microfiber pad is Claude Sevigny from Meguiar's Canada. The design was optimized later by Claude and Bob Bergmen of Meguiar's USA. The current versions were optimized again by me in 2008 (also working in collaboration with Claude.) You can contact Claude and Bob to verify.

"The guy" contributed by helping to indentify and source raw materials...all of which; the loop, the foam, the microfiber...are no longer being used in the current versions of the pads. His company was in fact the first fabricator. That was many years ago. The design and technical specs on the raws have progressed so much further since then.

Believe what you want Chris. But my suggestion is to verify the facts of what you hear before you post them on a public forum. There is already too much inaccuracy threaded thru forums. We should all try to validate information before we post. Opinions are ok, but they should be presented as such.

Sorry for the lecture...don't mean to. I will go back to work now...
 
Jason Rose said:
The official undisputed inventor of the microfiber pad is Claude Sevigny from Meguiar's Canada.

The design was optimized later by Claude and Bob Bergmen of Meguiar's USA. The current versions were optimized again by me in 2008 (also working in collaboration with Claude.) You can contact Claude and Bob to verify.
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I'll verify this for you Jason. I actually had the above in the rough draft of my first how-to book but later removed it because,

A. It wasn't needed
B. I figured it would cause more problems than it would help.


When we do the next reprint I'll go ahead and re-insert it since it's now public knowledge.


And just for the record,

Jason, Chris is just as nice a guy as you met at Detail Fest.

And Chris, Jason is just as nice a guy as you met at Detail Fest.


:cheers:
 
Jason Rose said:
I don't know how "the guy" can sleep at night. He did not design the pad for Meguiar's.

The only closed cell foam version "the guy" did for Meguiar's was the very first version for auto OEM factories. I'm going back over 10 years ago. This version of the pad never made it to aftermarket by Meguiar's, for a list of reasons... I will let you imagine reasons why.

Look, Chris. You don't know me very well. We've only met once at Mobile Tech. You have no reason to believe anything I say. But there is much a won't say on a public forum...including some of the the facts on this matter.

What I will say is this...to set the record straight...

The official undesputed inventor of the microfiber pad is Claude Sevigny from Meguiar's Canada. The design was optimized later by Claude and Bob Bergmen of Meguiar's USA. The current versions were optimized again by me in 2008 (also working in collaboration with Claude.) You can contact Claude and Bob to verify.

"The guy" contributed by helping to indentify and source raw materials...all of which; the loop, the foam, the microfiber...are no longer being used in the current versions of the pads. His company was in fact the first fabricator. That was many years ago. The design and technical specs on the raws have progressed so much further since then.

Believe what you want Chris. But my suggestion is to verify the facts of what you hear before you post them on a public forum. There is already too much inaccuracy threaded thru forums. We should all try to validate information before we post. Opinions are ok, but they should be presented as such.

Sorry for the lecture...don't mean to. I will go back to work now...
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Our pads and Meg's can stand and be sold on their own merits, Jason. So there's really no need for the lecture or even defending the pads development. I only relayed the information as it was presented to me by people I trust. I certainly didn't realize that closed cell foam was a bad word as I "believe" LC uses it for their Hydro Pads that are so popular or I never would've mentioned it. I will refrain from stating that as a difference between the pads in all future posts and apologize that you were offended.

For the record, closed cell foam generating more heat is a good thing if the manufacturer or end user holds the idea that generating heat equals faster correction...so it was never meant as a put down to you, Meg's or the pads. It was only mentioned as a difference in the two offerings.
 
Chris, I'm not offended by you at all. I'm sorry for venting with you like that. I feel bad that you have been misinformed by your source.

And closed cell is not a bad word with me. Lots of pad lines use both closed and open cell foams, including Meguiar's. As you know, they each have their use and functionality. My sensitivity was not with closed cell foam, but the false designation of the foam in our product by your source.

I agree. Our microfiber pads are different and can be sold on their own merits. That was a good thing to say...good way to say it. Thanks, I appreciate it.

Thanks for your kindness and professionalism.
Jason
 
hey jason,
speaking of pads, i noticed a thread over at DB discussing some new products in the works and i look forward to hearing about it when the time comes...
 
hey jason,
speaking of pads, i noticed a thread over at DB discussing some new products in the works and i look forward to hearing about it when the time comes...
 
Jason Rose said:
Chris, I'm not offended by you at all. I'm sorry for venting with you like that. I feel bad that you have been misinformed by your source.

And closed cell is not a bad word with me. Lots of pad lines use both closed and open cell foams, including Meguiar's. As you know, they each have their use and functionality. My sensitivity was not with closed cell foam, but the false designation of the foam in our product by your source.

I agree. Our microfiber pads are different and can be sold on their own merits. That was a good thing to say...good way to say it. Thanks, I appreciate it.

Thanks for your kindness and professionalism.
Jason
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Thank you, Jason.
 
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