New Opti-Coat Hyper Seal

[CleanIT]

What car wash are you using? Just playing devil's advocate, Any chance it's not rinsing fully thus covering up Hyper Seal's behavior?

I was using Optimum Car Wash. I even went back over it again and it was dead. Even before the wash the hydrophobics were very poor. I must not have done something right. I did a full decon, strip with OPC, polish and paint prep with Gyeon Prep. I did put a second layer on 8 hours later, which per OPT is fine. Only needs an hour to set. I'm debating on whether to give it another shot or just use something else I have on hand.

 

[Mgavin1985]

I think hyper seal and opti seal are basically the same. I have opti seal and only thing I use it is on interior glass as cleaner. It was not a good sealant

 

[CleanIT]

I think hyper seal and opti seal are basically the same. I have opti seal and only thing I use it is on interior glass as cleaner. It was not a good sealant

I have to say I can't even believe it qualifies as a sealant. I found Opti-Seal to be extremely weak. The new Hyper-Seal, which is what I used, is supposed to be significantly better than the old but who knows.....I love the look of both but water behavior is not impressive at all. I'm disappointed so far because i really like the look of it and how it goes on.

I noticed some differences between Wet Coat, HCD, OS and Hyper-Seal. Beads would fly off the paint around 15 mph with HCD, 40 mph for Griot's 3 in1 and around 25 mph with Wet Coat and no movement with Opti-Seal or Hyper-Seal so far. I know it sounds ridiculous but it is something I've noticed.

 

[The Guz]

Not sure what to make of this. Did a quick wash last night. Zero protection left. Could the solvent in HS have dissolved remaining protection I didn’t completely remove? Clearly didn't bond properly. Or Hyper Seal is that weak....which I find hard to believe. Opti-Seal only lasted 2 weeks for me.

Optimum and the reps would point the finger at you for not using any optimum polish during the prep process. This has always been their cop out when their products under perform. Just like when they pointed the finger at M205 when using Gloss Coat when it underperformed.

Looks good homeslice on initial but bad durability I seeI tend to rant on and on about opti and the underwhelming Gloss Coat and how they should make something better. Plus it’s $60 for 10mls

Exactly. Gloss Coat was rather underwhelming from my experience with it. I gave Opti-Seal away as well. The upside is the ease of use. I recall when Yvan was at Optimum how they boasted that their coatings required no topper and then Hyper Seal shows up haha.

 

[CleanIT]

Thanks Guz, good to know. I prepped the paint like I always have and never had this issue with any other product.

 

[AMarkham40]

I've been using the new formula Hyper Seal since April. Initially I did a full decon & polish before applying two coats of Hyper Seal. Since then I wash my truck once a month and use Hyper Seal as a drying aid. Here is a pic I took a few minutes ago after a rain shower. The truck was last washed about 10 days ago. It has been driven over 700 miles since then & spent three days at the beach so it is covered in bugs & salt spray. No other products have been used other than Hyper Seal.

 

[CleanIT]

Looks good AMarkham40. I don't know what to make of my situation. I'm highly confident I did things exactly as they should be done.

 

[Azure]

I have to say I can't even believe it qualifies as a sealant. Opti-Seal is extremely weak. The new Hyper-Seal, which is what I used, is supposed to be significantly better than the old but who knows.....I love the look of both but water behavior is not impressive at all. I'm disappointed so far because i really like the look of it and how it goes on.

I noticed some differences between Wet Coat, HCD, OS and Hyper-Seal. Beads would fly off the paint around 15 mph with HCD, 40 mph for Griot's 3 in1 and around 25 mph with Wet Coat and no movement with Opti-Seal or Hyper-Seal so far. I know it sounds ridiculous but it is something I've noticed.

Yeah, even BeadMaker will still have some protection left after that short of time. That's crazy! I did like Optimum Spray Wax and it has lasted with Topper as a drying aid since early Spring on my wife's car.

 

[AMarkham40]

Looks good AMarkham40. I don't know what to make of my situation. I'm highly confident I did things exactly as they should be done.

I would give it another shot before throwing in the towel. I used 3D HD Polish+ then CarPro Eraser to make sure all the polishing oils were removed before applying Hyper Seal the first time. Now, I agree Hyper Seal is grabby when initially applied. I was told by an Optimum rep that slickness would improve after using the product as a drying aid a couple times. He was correct.

 

[bcwang]

Looks good AMarkham40. I don't know what to make of my situation. I'm highly confident I did things exactly as they should be done.

Did you keep the car dry for 24 hours after application and before you attempted to wet it to test beading and wash it?

 

[CleanIT]

Yes it was over 24 hours. For some reason it didn’t bond well.


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[bcwang]

I was using Optimum Car Wash. I even went back over it again and it was dead. Even before the wash the hydrophobics were very poor. I must not have done something right. I did a full decon, strip with OPC, polish and paint prep with Gyeon Prep. I did put a second layer on 8 hours later, which per OPT is fine. Only needs an hour to set. I'm debating on whether to give it another shot or just use something else I have on hand.

What polish did you use? Could have left lots of oils behind which Gyeon prep did not remove. Also, did you apply a lot (liberally wet the whole surface) of Gyeon prep and let it dwell? You need to make sure you are getting all polishing oils off. A one year sealant shouldn’t last 2 days. The fact that optiseal only lasts 3 weeks for you also makes it seem something is off about the whole process.

 

[CleanIT]

I used Griot’s Polish. I followed the same process I always do but I suppose there could be more to it. I don’t know. Opti-Seal doesn’t last long for most people I have talked to.


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[bcwang]

I’ve had optiseal last 6 months so 3 weeks seems like a bad bond to me.

Since you’ve already polished, why not wash it a few times with your optimum car wash, then use gyeon prep again, then apply hyper polish like a wowa, and leave it alone, dry, and untouched for 24 hours other than initial wipe off of high spots.

See how the beading is and how long it lasts after that.

 

[Coatingsarecrack]

I’ve had optiseal last 6 months so 3 weeks seems like a bad bond to me.

Since you’ve already polished, why not wash it a few times with your optimum car wash, then use gyeon prep again, then apply hyper polish like a wowa, and leave it alone, dry, and untouched for 24 hours other than initial wipe off of high spots.

See how the beading is and how long it lasts after that.

Lot of people out there with bad process then. Read a-lot about opti seal not lasting anywhere near 6 months.


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[Coatingsarecrack]

I used Griot’s Polish. I followed the same process I always do but I suppose there could be more to it. I don’t know. Opti-Seal doesn’t last long for most people I have talked to.


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If your process last for your Megs CQD and GC3-1 then your process should be fine for Hyper seal.

I do agree with washing after or before Prep to make sure your working with a clean slate before you write it off as mediocre.


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[bcwang]

Lot of people out there with bad process then. Read a-lot about opti seal not lasting anywhere near 6 months.


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One thing I noticed about wowa sealants is that they also need a good cure time before allowing any moisture to touch them including evening dew. Some of those spray and wipe sealants may not be as sensitive. But Ultima PGP (and likely optiseal) I found were very sensitive. If you let it cure 24 hours in a garage it was multiple times more durable and with better water beading behavior than if you put it on at the end of the day while daylight was going down. The difference was huge.

So, ninja, those 24 hours with no water contact, was it also inside a garage or someplace not susceptible to dew?

 

[CleanIT]

One thing I noticed about wowa sealants is that they also need a good cure time before allowing any moisture to touch them including evening dew. Some of those spray and wipe sealants may not be as sensitive. But Ultima PGP (and likely optiseal) I found were very sensitive. If you let it cure 24 hours in a garage it was multiple times more durable and with better water beading behavior than if you put it on at the end of the day while daylight was going down. The difference was huge.

So, ninja, those 24 hours with no water contact, was it also inside a garage or someplace not susceptible to dew?

It was applied at 11am and the humidity was only 54%. The car was parked outside.

 

[CleanIT]

If your process last for your Megs CQD and GC3-1 then your process should be fine for Hyper seal.

I do agree with washing after or before Prep to make sure your working with a clean slate before you write it off as mediocre.


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That's what I'm thinking. I didn't have this issue with HCD/GG 3 in 1. Same process used. I don't have an answer. :dunno:

 

[CleanIT]

Average beading from Hyper Seal.


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This is what the beading looked like, which seems to be on par with most sealants and even Opti-Seal when I tried it. I would say at this point it is possible I washed the car too soon and maybe it wasn't fully cured or there was still some underlying residue left behind. Only way to tell is to try it again but I will say I'm hesitant in doing so.

It did feel completely dry and "grabby" though.