NEW! System One!!!

WOW... that was the most interesting 11 pages of forum i have read in a long time... i need to buy some System, put it side X side with some 106ff and see if they do the same thing. I got a buddy with a chevy truck, black hood.... perfect testing hood. and do it in direct sunlight. if they do the same thing, then I bought an extra bottle of 106ff!!!!
 
Dust2Glory said:
WOW... that was the most interesting 11 pages of forum i have read in a long time... i need to buy some System, put it side X side with some 106ff and see if they do the same thing. I got a buddy with a chevy truck, black hood.... perfect testing hood. and do it in direct sunlight. if they do the same thing, then I bought an extra bottle of 106ff!!!!
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Take pix and video, please!
 
While we are on the subject, I don't remember who, but someone has a video of op removing 2k scuffs, then finishing out with op on a polishing pad. Not that we need that video, anyone with paper, paint, a rotary, op, a video camera, and two pads could produce the same such deal.

Then we will have the two sided pad as the uncommon denominator. I for one don't like using lager pads, is the system one pad 8 inches or smaller?
 
Got my own answer, and for me, 8 inch pads are too big for my "personal" liking. Probably just a preference or comfort thing, but I wouldn't be interested in the pad due to size.

If I purchase the polish in the future it will be without the pad for that reason.
 
I've simply found that I can take 8 different polishes and eventually, by varying conditions aka pads, pressure, heat, I can get the SAME results from all of them.

I wish one's would understand that there is no exact to this hobby/business. It's all about personal preference and that's all that matters in the end.
 
justin30513 said:
I've simply found that I can take 8 different polishes and eventually, by varying conditions aka pads, pressure, heat, I can get the SAME results from all of them.

I wish one's would understand that there is no exact to this hobby/business. It's all about personal preference and that's all that matters in the end.
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Justin, IMO, truer words have not been spoken on this thread. I know I am some what responsible for the direction this thread has skewed, and if I knew it was going to head in this direction, I wouldn't have said anything. Like I stated earlier, I feel that I can get similar results from different products based on the science behind them.

That said, if you are happy with the product you are using and it is getting the results you want, then does it matter what I (or anybody else thinks). I am done with this discussion past that, because repeating what I have already said over and over is not only going to get old (it already has) but doesn't add anything to promote the discussion of the product.

If it works (and better then other finishing polishes) then it will stand on its own merit, and if it works better then anything else, then everybody (other polish manufacturers) will play catch up which makes our job easier in the long run. If we all agreed on similar products and procedures, then this place would be rather boring?
 
Todd,
You are just very didicated to your work. You are passionate about what you do and it shows in your work and clients. I've just been involved in so many threads about there being just one way and one way only to detail/correct paint. I'm passionate to the end results. That's all that matters.

You are a true pro and gentleman Todd.
 
ZoranC said:
Forgive me, Sir, for not expressing myself in the form that is to Your liking. May the Sir, please, provide me with His official guidelines so I can make sure my next post is more suitable, Sir? Can the Sir in the meantime honour us with his contribution of something actually valuable and on topic, please, Sir?
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I am growing quite tired on all this personal banter ... keep post on track or it will be closed and alot will miss out on the products, support, and techniques that are needed to use the product correctly. Can we remain civil, and provide the knowledge and help to understand this product more effectively ??
 
Now back on topic so let me just interject this food for thought.If it was only the pad doing the cutting then wouldn't any polish cut throught the cerami clear coats and we would not need specific polishes with the Nano abarsives to achevive this. Isn't that why the Menzerna polishes became so popular for that very reason ? So from what I can gather from my sideline reasoning is that the systemone polishes are controling the cutting factor !!!!
 
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Big Question... Would you buy this or would you buy Menzerna?
 
rwisejr said:
Now back on topic so let me just interject this food for thought.If it was only the pad doing the cutting then wouldn't any polish cut throught the cerami clear coats and we would not need specific polishes with the Nano abarsives to achevive this.
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The nano abrasives are still the vehicle for paint correction. It is the way that they are applied and controlled that changes the way the abrasive cuts. I'm sure you're familiar with the many advantages that enable wool pads to have a higher rate of cut (high surface area that carries abrasives, driving abrasives against the paint with greater velocity due to their movement, etc). It is the density of nano polishes that gives them the ability to overcome the hardest ceramiclear type finishes.
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Isn't that why the Menzerna polishes became so popular for that very reason ? So from what I can gather from my sideline reasoning is that the systemone polishes are controling the cutting factor !!!!
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Aboslutely. I've personally been using this type of method with 106ff for some time now. The few times I've tried System One, it seems to achieve the same effect, and cost less, and is water based (which keeps me from having to mask, in many cases!).
 
Darren F said:
Big Question... Would you buy this or would you buy Menzerna?
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If I were very new to machine polishing and bought into the safety angle they sell I would buy it.

*However, you can do immense damage with a rotary and any product.*

I haven't used it but I would suggest you go with a reputable line everyone has had success with.

Menzerna being one of them, also the XMT line will produce great results, OPT, Poorboys, all tried and true polishes, and each have their own learning curves. XMT would be the best bet for a beginner imo.
 
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The main thing with System One is time benefits. For a reconditioner that has 3-4 cars to buff a day, System One is a lot faster because your able to use just one polish for all stages. However, for perfectionist detailers who have a day or two to spend on a car can use several polishes and steps to get otpimal results.
 
How much time are you really spending by grabbing one bottle out of your apron that two? You do still have to apply the product to the paint and pick up the bead, I don't see the one bottle in my pocket time savings.
 
You've got me, but trusty Totoland Mach has said that system one has cut his buffing time in half or at least by a lot. Since I am not a S1 user I can't say for sure. But he also says that he finishes with a different final polish to bring the shine to the next level on black vehicles - so the quality of the finish probably isn't as good as 106ff or Ultrafina.
 
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