ONR & Road Salt

A wash using a standard foaming shampoo adds no additional safety other than sheer volume.

There may be other reasons to warrant a preliminary rinse...

And there lies The Rub, pun intended.

I tried RW.

I used the soft rear pillars of my black Yukon as the true measure of wether RW could clean without inducing defects in the paint.

My experience is that a really careful RW instills more damage than a traditional wash.


The volume of water used in a traditional wash allows for an additional buffer between the agitation source and any possible abrasive material on the surface of the paint.


There are times I will consider a rinseless cleaning:

- I plan on polishing the vehicle immediately

- The vehicle is very lightly soiled and silver in color


In my opinion, if there is a coin-op nearby, power rinse; this is an important step if the vehicle is even moderately soiled.
 
The volume of water used in a traditional wash allows for an additional buffer between the agitation source and any possible abrasive material on the surface of the paint.

^^ I disagree. Again, use a nice 320-480 gsm fluffy soft MF Towel like the blue one shown in the previous post by spazzz combined with a pre-soak and there's not much more moisture that can be applied. Also, the lubricants in NR Produts and encapsulation action is great.

I know the rear pillars you speak of and I use the same on our van and the plastic pillars on the doors of my sedan as indicators for me.

IMO I think the very best way of washing with a NR Product is NOT a two bucket method but rather a variation of Gary Dean's single bucket method whereby a single towel with multiple folds is used thus each wipe is with a clean portion. it's a wipe and roll too.

Again, as a two black car family, I'm way sensitive to scratches too.
 
Which do you objectively think is softer, fluffier, more lubricated?

A Merino Wool Mitt dunked in a solution of high quality car wash soap and ONR. The 10oz of this liquid gradually being released as you lightly caress the paint, by using the convenient hand hold to levitate the strands gently above the paint of my door.

Followed by copious amounts of free flowing water to rinse away any residues or abrasive particles, prior to drying with a spritz of D156 and a Dry Me Crazy MF

OR

A microfiber towel containing a couple of ounces of ONR solution, pressed against the vertical surface, fighting gravity

Followed by a second MF to dry, rubbing any remaining residue or abrasive grit against the painted surface


No one can argue factually that a RW is as safe as a traditional wash

It may work for you and you my not see the defects, but as several have admitted in this thread...you re-polish in the Spring

Once you start adding in the step of pressure washing; I would argue that the process should no longer be considered a RW, even though it fits the Optimum definition, in that there is not a rinse step after the agitation/cleaning step.



Would you do a RW on a Customer car that you just spent 8 hours polishing to perfection and are preparing to coat?
 
Which do you objectively think is softer, fluffier, more lubricated?

A Merino Wool Mitt dunked in a solution of high quality car wash soap and ONR. The 10oz of this liquid gradually being released as you lightly caress the paint, by using the convenient hand hold to levitate the strands gently above the paint of my door.

Followed by copious amounts of free flowing water to rinse away any residues or abrasive particles, prior to drying with a spritz of D156 and a Dry Me Crazy MF

OR

A microfiber towel containing a couple of ounces of ONR solution, pressed against the vertical surface, fighting gravity

The microfiber towel will hold a LOT of solution. The ones I use weigh 21oz when fully soaked and also gradually release water. The amount of pressure used is far less than most would use washing via tradition method too. Just watch even the vids here on AGO of traditional washing and how rough they are on the paint. That said, even those methods don't destroy the paint and likewise, neither will a NR method like I've described. Especially given the lubricity of the solutions.

My modified method referenced also involves a post wipe spray down of the panel too thus encapsulating and rinsing any deposits that may potentially remain. 1 gal solution in a garden sprayer does an entire car, pre-soak and post wipe rinse with some leftover. I use another 3/4 gal in a pale for my wash towels.

Followed by a second MF to dry, rubbing any remaining residue or abrasive grit against the painted surface

I would NEVER recommend wiping paint to dry it. I'm a firm believer in the blotting method. Good waffle weave MF Towels dry the surface completely and I use a single larger one to do an entire vehicle with ease.

No one can argue factually that a RW is as safe as a traditional wash

I let my cars and paint speak for me. Happy to post pics in the am. Also, countless people here on this forum and many others use NR Products with great results and no damage.

It may work for you and you my not see the defects, but as several have admitted in this thread...you re-polish in the Spring

I always repolish in the spring and once during the summer. I'm OCD about pure blacks. :D Also, winter alone introduces a need to polish in the spring, regardless of how a vehicle is washed during the winter months.

Once you start adding in th step of pressure washing; I would argue that the process should no longer be considered a RW, even though it fits the Optimum definition, in that there is not a rinse step after the agitation/cleaning step.

Rinseless washing in my garage with 2gals of water is rinseless to me. Whether I use a DIY pressure sprayer or not doesn't change the process in my garage. I could just as easily pre-soak it and wash it too.

Would you do a RW on a Customer car that you just spent 8 hours polishing to perfection and are preparing to coat?

I would be sure to coat or seal it first then after, yes, I'd NR Wash it. I just did my Brilliant Black S4 last night and there were ZERO defect introduced to it. I'll NR Wash it all season. I even did a door on my wife's van which was caked with filth to show a friend of mine. I just fully corrected her van last week. Not one scratch, scuff or mark.
 
I would love to try this, but we have way too much sand that they put down too. I am not going anywhere near a rinseless setup with all that mess!

I just wait until it's above freezing and spray the entire car down to get as much sand off as I can. Normally, I am rinsing the car off for 20 minutes before I touch the paint with anything!

Still have a bottle of ONR that I am waiting for the right time to use...
 
When I first tried the new DG WW I used 3/4 of the bottle because my car was pretty salty but not all white I should say. I made sure each panel was well saturated and wiped evenly...no problems. The same method applied to RW's. That said, if the car is really bad and/or your not comfortable doing the RW or WW on it in that condition, head to the quarter wash and rinse off that top layer and up under the car, preferably with some soap and then the rinse cycle.

Like said earlier, proper technique is key....saturate, saturate, saturate🚿

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I've just experienced WU rinseless for the first time. I can't believe I've been not using this product or any rinseless in the past. It's a life savor, especially in the winter. This is a product that wowed me.
...and it will continue to WOW you in the spring and summer as well
The promblem I would have is a timing issue,I would rather wash it the traditional way and be done with it and take care of the paint in spring time.after all the careful hrs of wiping each panel with a lot of finesse,you will still enhance or do some polishing work in the spring.so what I'm saying is make your life easier with the washing and just detail it later on.If you like doing that then do it this is just a personal preference.


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of course! I was meaning how much of a life savor it is, in this nasty winter weather we have in Illinois. I pressure wash the crude at a coin op first, then pull the truck in my warm garage to perform the rinseless. Use my 8hp master blaster to keep it dry.
 
...and it will continue to WOW you in the spring and summer as well

agree. I use it all the time before heading cars and coffee. It's also great to use when you're in a time crunch and don't want to spend all day cleaning up a car.
 
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