Opticoat 2.0 discontinued, OptiCoat Pro sees price increase

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RaskyR1 said:
I've actually had several clients ask what the product cost me and I have never had an issue sharing it with them. I believe the application time and benefits of the coatings I offer are well worth the MAP pricing.
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I am the same..... I even go so far as to tell them that they are more then welcomed to let me do the polishing (and I will account for my Hrs x (shop price)= $$) and they can apply the product themselves (consumer grade). If they want the PRO version then I will again account for my Hrs x (shop price) + cost of the product.

It never fails that they will change their mind very rapidly when they hear that a double Erasor wipe down (or a DP coating prep + Erasor) + application of the product is going to take them a few hours. If shop time is $50/hr and product is $60, and you are looking at 2 hrs of work then..... well, they can do the math. Please note that this is for the consumer grade. PRO grade is more expensive and also demands an "exclusivity" premium. I will show them the pricing for the consumer grade all day and will even assist them in purchasing it, but I spin myself out of telling them the PRO cost. In all, I have had ZERO customer take me up on my offer to coat it themselves. Even my non-coated compoundings end with me putting the sealant/wax on it, regardless of the open offer to let them use my shop and my products..... LOL!
 
FUNX725 said:
•IMHO:
-It's not the "Coating manufacturers" proper place to tell detailers what their minimum application price points of their Coatings---or any other car-care product----should be.
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But according to Setec, with Opticoat, you're giving them a top up of clearcoat ('cos it's PERMANENT) so you can justify the charge as a light respray and refinish :props:
 
Permanent or not, its 5 years since my car on OC Pro. I am just gonna test it as long as possible before I sell it off.
 
ZeroSP said:
Permanent or not, its 5 years since my car on OC Pro. I am just gonna test it as long as possible before I sell it off.
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That's great durability. I'm curious how you maintain it and if it's ever been "topped" with other wax/sealants over the last 60 months.

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Nicholas@Autowerx said:
That's great durability. I'm curious how you maintain it and if it's ever been "topped" with other wax/sealants over the last 60 months.

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Weekly wash with ONR or Opt Car Wash (I have used some other shampoo as well), clay it once in a year.

Wiped down with OID all these while, but I am running out therefore I am looking for alternatives which the member below posted the link.

In the end, I find out there is not much point for me to put a good sealant top of it, I went with UWW+ wipe down.

allenk4 said:
This thread started by zerosp may provide some insight:

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/auto-detailing-101/77912-prima-hydro-max-carpro-reload.html
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Yes, but all the while just OID... And now it is UWW+
 
Kinda bummed I never got a chance to try 2.0. Just ordered one syringe off of eBay to try it at least once. Should be here next week.
 
Here is my thought, and I wonder why most of these companies do not do this. I know many of us have typed (since we are not speaking) our concerns over price and order minimums.
Why can the manufacturer and distributors go to the likely candidates for "Pro Level" Installer status and make that detailer go thru training? There could be a fee even, but that person would need to go thru application training and also sales training to know what they can and cannot tell the client. Then they would receive a certificate of training completion. Then you buy directly from the distributor, but there are no minimums.
I think that would be a great way to keep the talented part time exclusive detailers in the loop without a penalization for wanting to use a great product. We can all agree that OC is a great product, if not, no one would be worrying too much about this.

Just my $.02

HUMP
 
I don't know, Hump, the way I understand it they have the country divided in half, with one distributor on each side of the Mississippi. That's a lot of traveling around, particularly considering the eastern distributor is Chris Thomas, who has his own business to run.

Whatever is going on, it's a little crazy when they are losing guys like Rasky and Zach. Perhaps the push is to dealers like some people have mentioned, I just don't know if the dealer market can really support the quality of the product--I mean, when the dealer sells you a $1000 paint protection, does it really matter if it's Opti-Coat or their miracle goo which is no better than a cheap sealant, if they are going to swirl the crap out of it on the first courtesy wash?
 
kaanage said:
But according to Setec, with Opticoat, you're giving them a top up of clearcoat ('cos it's PERMANENT) so you can justify the charge as a light respray and refinish :props:
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You are one stubborn individual. All you have to do, since you are so sure of yourself, is give Dr G a call. You can educate him, and correct him about his claims. After all with all his credentials, according to you, he is full of it.

Btw, what is your background?
 
To everyone else - IF the prep work is done properly and OC is applied correctly, the product will not come off the paint. End of story. All one has to do is wash the car once OC is applied. After 30 days of curing, you have to compound the finish to get OC off the car. If needed, one can polish OC with a finishing pad and finishing polish.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
I don't know, Hump, the way I understand it they have the country divided in half, with one distributor on each side of the Mississippi. That's a lot of traveling around, particularly considering the eastern distributor is Chris Thomas, who has his own business to run.

Whatever is going on, it's a little crazy when they are losing guys like Rasky and Zach. Perhaps the push is to dealers like some people have mentioned, I just don't know if the dealer market can really support the quality of the product--I mean, when the dealer sells you a $1000 paint protection, does it really matter if it's Opti-Coat or their miracle goo which is no better than a cheap sealant, if they are going to swirl the crap out of it on the first courtesy wash?
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I have the utmost respect for Chad, I don't know who Zach is (sorry), but it seems from what I have seen is that part time detailers are the ones who are stopping their relationships with Optimum. I could be wrong though.
 
tdekany said:
I have the utmost respect for Chad, I don't know who Zach is (sorry), but it seems from what I have seen is that part time detailers are the ones who are stopping their relationships with Optimum. I could be wrong though.
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there are full timers too who are making "announcements" via facebook pages but i am seeing a lot of strange emotion involved overall so we'll see how it all pans out. what is particularly interesting to me is seeing people so upset who were pushing mostly CQF in the first place, judging from their posts, facebook posts and write ups. it boggles my mind why they are SO emotionally invested in this and making all kinds of weird sounds. also, i think the negative things being said about OPT's intentions are unfounded and purely speculative. Dr. G is a man with the utmost integrity.

either way, i love OPT products and give props to Dr. G for bringing so many unique products to the masses.
 
tdekany said:
I have the utmost respect for Chad, I don't know who Zach is (sorry), but it seems from what I have seen is that part time detailers are the ones who are stopping their relationships with Optimum. I could be wrong though.
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That's a pretty sweeping generalization based on limited information


Over 500 posts and you don't know who Zach is?

He posts here and is a consultant on a couple of other forums
 
tdekany said:
I have the utmost respect for Chad, I don't know who Zach is (sorry), but it seems from what I have seen is that part time detailers are the ones who are stopping their relationships with Optimum. I could be wrong though.
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Sorry, zmcgovern45. And yes, it does seem to be the part-time guys, many of whom, as you know, are top-notch detailers.
 
allenk4 said:
That's a pretty sweeping generalization based on limited information. Over 500 posts and you don't know who Zach is?
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That's a pretty sweeping generalization for someone with over 2700 posts who doesn't know who he's talking to. Thomas Dekany is a pro detailer, authorized Opti-Coat installer, who has a long and distinguished reputation.

Sometimes people here make me laugh when they criticize very experienced detailers who don't post here that much...like the best was when Anthony Orosco put his OC airbrush video up and people told him he didn't know how to apply OC...LOL!
 
HUMP DIESEL said:
Here is my thought, and I wonder why most of these companies do not do this. I know many of us have typed (since we are not speaking) our concerns over price and order minimums.
Why can the manufacturer and distributors go to the likely candidates for "Pro Level" Installer status and make that detailer go thru training? There could be a fee even, but that person would need to go thru application training and also sales training to know what they can and cannot tell the client. Then they would receive a certificate of training completion. Then you buy directly from the distributor, but there are no minimums.
I think that would be a great way to keep the talented part time exclusive detailers in the loop without a penalization for wanting to use a great product. We can all agree that OC is a great product, if not, no one would be worrying too much about this.

Just my $.02

HUMP
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that's way too expensive. paint and body guys can do it because they are selling hugely expensive commodities that get used like water by non-specialists. this is a very niche thing.

imo if the company is putting such a low monthly quota on the product, if that isn't doable, i'd really question the need for having access to the product in the first place, especially when they are offering Gloss-Coat which has a durability claim that matches the CQF warranty term length. two cars a month is not a lot to ask. you can shoot holes in my posts all you want, as a pro has been trying to do on another forum, but i follow the industry closely and that is not unreasonable. OPT needs to make money and the only way that happens is when their authorized installers are actually selling product. $3600 a year or whatever in sales is extremely reasonable when you look at it from all points.

also, and i can personally attest to this dilemma as i've been ripped off by one - the supposed elite detailers who make the most noise and create an image of being the ultimate detailer online...they can be a complete fraud. COMPLETE FRAUD. so, instead of trying to figure out who is who and going to the locations and training, etc., etc., i think it's just a lot easier for a smaller manufacturer like OPT to come up with some broad stroke baselines that will keep those really interested in the product on board and adjust the pricing accordingly so they (the manufacturer) can actually make some money selling something that is 100% created in the USA - R&D, testing, packaging, shipping...all done here.
 
allenk4 said:
That's a pretty sweeping generalization based on limited information


Over 500 posts and you don't know who Zach is?

He posts here and is a consultant on a couple of other forums
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I am pretty sure he doesn't know me either :xyxthumbs:

I mean what is so strange about that? Do you know who I am? Pretty sure you don't either. I do not post here or read daily, so can you forgive me?
 
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