Optimum Gloss Coat Beading Issues

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Whiplash Willy

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I applied Optimum Gloss Coat June of 2016. For the last few months, I have noticed that water no longer beads or sheets well on the sides (Bottom half of driver and pass doors, Rear sides of bumper) and the rear of the car. Basically it is happening on all of the areas that are constantly hit with road spray. Every other part beads well.

I am trying to figure out if it is just because my coating is contaminated, or if the coating is gone in those areas.

I finally got a chance to give it a thorough washing. I sprayed the areas with OPC 1:3, let it dwell for a min, and washed and rinsed the area. I also clay barred the entire car with Medium Grade Nano Skin. The problem areas feel smooth and super clean after the clay, but those areas are still not beading well.

Is there a way to see if the coating is still there and just contaminated?

Any tips on what I can use to try and "revive" the coating, assuming the coating is there and just contaminated?
 
My first question is what soap are you washing with?
 
Probably needs to be decontaminated to bring back the beading (beading does not necessarily mean protection). Wash with something like Reload, spray with iron-x and clay the area. The beading should reappear.
 
Hmm. I would advise using an Iron X type product then wash with something like CarPro Reset. You could top with Optiseal after or use one of the spray on rinse off silica products like McKee's Hydro Blue or CarPro's Hydro2.
 
Using the medium grade nanoskin may have done some damage to the coating. That's more aggressive than I probably would have gone. I would've focused on a good decontamination wash followed by a light clay only if the beading had not returned. You could try Iron X to see if the beading returns but after what you described I think the coating might be gone.
 
rlmccarty2000 said:
Probably needs to be decontaminated to bring back the beading (beading does not necessarily mean protection). Wash with something like Reload, spray with iron-x and clay the area. The beading should reappear.
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Did you mean wash with "Reset"?
 
Whiplash Willy said:
I use Chemical Guys Mr Pink.
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Mr. Pink is one of their weaker soaps as far as cleaning ability, I have found. I would try CarPro Reset or Chemical Guys Citrus Wash at higher concentration. Iron-X snow soap would also be a good choice. Most likely your coating is contaminated in those areas and needs a thorough cleaning to revitalize it.
 
ekennett said:
Mr. Pink is one of their weaker soaps as far as cleaning ability, I have found. I would try CarPro Reset or Chemical Guys Citrus Wash at higher concentration. Iron-X snow soap would also be a good choice. Most likely your coating is contaminated in those areas and needs a thorough cleaning to revitalize it.
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Is Honeydew as weak as Mr. Pink?
 
Rsurfer said:
Is Honeydew as weak as Mr. Pink?
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Never used their Honeydew. For cleaning power the Citrus Wash red was the best but it looks like they discontinued it. It had no waxes or silicones so it was great for coated cars. I'm pretty sure Citrus Wash and Clear is it's replacement. Hard to tell with Chemical Guys sometimes...
 
rlmccarty2000 said:
Probably needs to be decontaminated to bring back the beading (beading does not necessarily mean protection). Wash with something like Reload, spray with iron-x and clay the area. The beading should reappear.
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I forgot to mention I had the exact same issue with my last car that had Opti-Coat Pro on it (The sides and rear didn't bead after about a year). I had Clayed and Iron-Xed it as well with no results, but never went further. I was hopeing a clay would have been enough, but it sounds like Carpro Reset and Iron-X is what I should try next. I figured my OPC spray I did would be good enough as a decon wash, but it sounds like I need to look more into how to do a proper decon wash. I was originally planning on using Iron-X as well as the clay but I was out of it. I'll be reading up on Reset.

As long as the protection is there, I am not too worried. I don't really have time for awhile to re-do the coating. Hopefully the Reset\Iron-X\Clay will do the trick.

boomdone said:
Using the medium grade nanoskin may have done some damage to the coating. That's more aggressive than I probably would have gone. I would've focused on a good decontamination wash followed by a light clay only if the beading had not returned. You could try Iron X to see if the beading returns but after what you described I think the coating might be gone.
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I was worried as well about it being too aggressive, but I did a test area, and had no marring. I was really careful and used alot of ONR ad QD dilution for the lube. I was able to clay the whole car, and didn't see any marring, and the parts of the car that was still beading\sheeting, didn't change after the clay, so I believe it is still intact. I figure if the parts of the car that still showed the beading\sheeting action of the coating, still show those properties, that the coating is still intact.

ekennett said:
Never used their Honeydew. For cleaning power the Citrus Wash red was the best but it looks like they discontinued it. It had no waxes or silicones so it was great for coated cars. I'm pretty sure Citrus Wash and Clear is it's replacement. Hard to tell with Chemical Guys sometimes...
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What would be a good weekly car soap for a coated car?

I appreciate everyone's input!
 
Any shampoo that doesn't leave anything behind, Gyeon Bathe, Reset, Adams are all great choices


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Don't expect longevity with gloss coat it just doesn't happen.These are entry level coatings that is available to the public .Try to get your hands on cq finest or something as comparable.as far as longevity. At of all.the coatings I had. Purchased from ag boyds held up the longest like 8 months.Superior product against all others in my own opinion.
 
Try Reset, MDR 1:3, Ferrex, and even straight Power Clean. You may need to seriously decontaminate it to bring it back.
 
I have a similar issue with the DP Coating on my wife's car. I noticed a similar beading/sheeting problem on the lower doors and rear hatch after a winter of spray and salt. After several hand washes with my current weapon of choice, Poorboys Super Slick with Suds, I noticed a marked improvement.

I know the coating is there and still working because it still releases grime and dirt much easier than any wax/sealant I've tried, and it still looks great once all cleaned up. The upper pannels and roof are still behave like the coating is brand new. I have no doubt it will run well over a year and expect 18 months of durability at this point.
 
I think the side panels are dirty.

I would do a baggy test and clay if nessasary.

After claying I would rinsless wash and check results.

If still not beading then fine polish on green pad will likely restore full shine and not remove too much coating.

On my own car I just wax because I like to do it
 
Funny, I just ran across this post:

https://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/auto-detailing-101/110287-mrpink-vs-honeydew.html#post1494518

It does, CGs famous gloss enhancers. They may hurt/kill hydrophobicity properties. You can find multiple cases of people with ceramic coatings who lose/notice a change in their beading after washing with Mr. Pink, Meg's Gold Class, Honeydew, just to name a few. If you go to CGs website and go to the full product descriptions, you can see what shampoos have them, and which ones don't. I recently got my hands on CG Wonder Wash as it claims to have no additives that stay behind. Seems to be a true statement as it did not hurt my coatings beading properties whatsoever.

I prefer Meg's Hyperwash and or CarPro Reset on coated vehicles. For the price, I always suggest Hyperwash. Blows CG soaps out of the water I feel and cost significantly less. Just doesn't smell like a fruit basket.
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I have been using CG Maxi Suds and MR pink for the last few years, both on my current car with Gloss Coat, and my last car that had Opti Coat Pro, both having the sheeting issues after a several months. I really do think the issue is with the car soap I have been using.

I have some Carpro Reset and the Microfiber Madness Increadimitt on order, and will be using them for my next wash. I am excited to see the results! I have Iron-X and Tar-X on order as well.

I have always been a huge fan of optimum products, but have also been very impressed with Carpro's stuff as well (Water Spot remover and Iron-X).

I will try to post a before and after Carpro Reset video showing the beading.
 
Thanks for sharing your findings! Looking forward to hearing back how it goes.
 
I finally had a chance to give my car a wash with Carpro Reset, and the microfiber incredimitt. I used 1 oz to about 3-4 gallons of water. Unfortunately, it didn't restore the beading/sheeting of the problem areas :(.

I haven't had a chance to try the Iron-X and Tar-X I got, and will try those, along with another Carpro Reset wash in the next week or so. I am not sure if I am not using enough soap, or if the coating really is gone in those parts. I really hope it is still there because the next time I will have to re-apply the coating will be about 6 months from now, which is my next free vacation. I really don't want to go through a winter in an uncoated car.
 
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