Optimum Gloss Coat...Cloudy HELP

RWalleyTX

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I just did about 7 hours worth of paint correction. Did IPA wipe down 2 times. Applied gloss coat. Went on easy.Knocked down high spots etc.. 2 hours later I see clouds all over the car. I have a black car and it shows like crazy. What did i do wrong? I am tempted to IPA everything off and throw gloss coat in the trash. Such a pain to see such hard work go into a car and u see clouds on top of perfection
 
How did you apply..
What type of ipa?
What polish before hand?
How did it look after application?
Never heard of this, have done dozens of GC applications
 
I used the applicator that came with it.
just regular store IPA diluted to about 20%
After application it looked good. When it sat after about 2 hours it looked like a blotchy cloudy mess
 
I'll venture that, for some reason:

•The Coating has become hydroscopic...
has absorbed some water/moisture.

1.)
Try misting the cloudy areas with a small amount of
a QD...and rebuff. This should remove the clouding.

If not:

2.)
In certain situations (high humidity, etc.) the Coating may not be drying...and then curing properly.

-One solution for this problem is to allow the car to bake in the sun for a day or so; and then rebuff. The heat of the sun will usually dry-out the excess moisture, and then: the buffing will bring out the shine.


Hope this will help.


Bob
 
Wow, I'm clueless, but it does remind me of that symptom in a different situation. Sometimes we get new cars with cloudy spots. The theory is that it's moisture under/in the clear coat. We have corrected it by warming the area with heat. Hair dryers, heat guns and heat lamps have all worked for us. This may be totally irrelevant. Good luck. Nathan
 
Car exposed to outside air? Have you hit the dew point for the evening?
 
RWalleyTX said:
I just did about 7 hours worth of paint correction. Did IPA wipe down 2 times. Applied gloss coat. Went on easy.Knocked down high spots etc.. 2 hours later I see clouds all over the car. I have a black car and it shows like crazy. What did i do wrong? I am tempted to IPA everything off and throw gloss coat in the trash. Such a pain to see such hard work go into a car and u see clouds on top of perfection
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Lots of good advice on here as always. I would probably just polish the coating off (IPA wont take it off) and do it over again after removing oils of course. The only thing i would change is your application process. The carpro applicator block with the small carpro suede micro towel around it works much better. Use that yellow thing they give you with it to do the rims. :xyxthumbs:

Jeff

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I really wanted it to work so many good reviews but I have to say it did not work for me. I did the work in my garage temp and humidity seem normal. I did this one by the book but I'm guessing the book is much larger than I thought. If it is finicky with application there should be notes on the product.
 
Hmm, I haven't had this problem before. Can you show up some pictures?

Did you by any chance get the car wet after application?

How long did you wait before leveling high spots?
 
RWalleyTX said:
I really wanted it to work so many good reviews but I have to say it did not work for me. I did the work in my garage temp and humidity seem normal. I did this one by the book but I'm guessing the book is much larger than I thought. If it is finicky with application there should be notes on the product.
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Dont give up on it the book isnt that big and its not a finicky application with the carpro applicator method. I bet if you do it over with the carpro applicator wrapped in a suede towel you will love it. You already did the hard work correcting the paint.
 
+1 what Jeff Wagner said!
Try and figure out what went wrong and do it till you success :)
Elaborate the pros and cons later and see if the product is worth for you. I had bad luck with Collinite 845/915 on my black when many had good result. I did find an application method that suitable for my location but it doesn't last.
Over the years I tried many different coatings on my 3 cars, still got lots of water spot, stain, etching issue but the dirt repellency is great, sonax PNS/BSD are excellent in this field too.
current product I keep is:
Meg D114
Meg APC (interior leather)
Meg QID
Sonax BSD
And i suggest to coat the rest like DLUX for trim/wheels well and use tire coating

Good luck man!

Regards
 
I'm wondering if this coating was installed in the garage and then you later noticed the cloudiness outside?
 
Jeff Wagner said:
Dont give up on it the book isnt that big and its not a finicky application with the carpro applicator method. I bet if you do it over with the carpro applicator wrapped in a suede towel you will love it. You already did the hard work correcting the paint.
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I will try again but since there are cloudy spots all over the car doesn't that mean I have to compound it all off? I am willing to try it again with the car pro applicator. Should I wait until it cures 100% or just compound?
 
swanicyouth said:
I'm wondering if this coating was installed in the garage and then you later noticed the cloudiness outside?
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everything was done inside the garage and when I noticed it was in the garage as well.
 
RWalleyTX said:
I will try again but since there are cloudy spots all over the car doesn't that mean I have to compound it all off? I am willing to try it again with the car pro applicator. Should I wait until it cures 100% or just compound?
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Don't you want to at least try some of the prior
cloudy-remediation suggestions before proceeding to polishing-off the GlossCoat?

At this point in time...
Isn't there a damn near perfect paint finish that
could be adversely affected by a "compounding"?


Bob
 
Either way, no matter what happened -you'll probably never know what happened. My initial thought would be using too much product, but I wasn't there - so I don't know if that is the case.

My 2nd thought would be applying it under one light source and inspecting it under the other. But, you mentioned that's not the case. You could try wiping it down with something like Eraser, but I doubt that will do much of anything - & I'm guessing you already tried.

So, now the solution is to polish it off and start again. You should only need polish - not compound. Only you can decide if you want to try this product again, if it was me I'd bag it.

If your looking for a recommendation what to use, I'd recommend Pinnacle Synergy. It's a wax with some coating ingredients and properties. I can guarantee the application can't be messed up. Plus, you get like a zillion applications per pot. It has awesome hydrophobic properties and is resistant to all types of snow and salt.

Easy-peasy.... No coating headaches. No mysterious disappearing beading. No special towels or foam blocks required. No cloudiness on the paint the next day or special soaps required. No curing time or "toppers" needed. No issues with water spots.

It just works.
 
have to tried using a test spot with a paint cleaner ? I am thinking what swanicyouth said about using too much product. you may have some high spots that need to be knocked down. the thought about the light changing could be why you are seeing the issue now. if you apply the paint cleaner, even by hand a high spot should be leveled. give it a shot and apply the cleaner with very light pressure. I have user JW prime like this in the past the next day and have not seen an issue with durability.
 
From a 10 ml I now have about 5 ml left over...since I have left over I may give it another try is the car pro applicator much better? How many cloths do u use for 1 car?

I worked on the car under good lighting but when I look at the car today it seems there are high spots that caused the cloudy blotchy mess but as I applied it I did not see any that I did not wipe clean..it almost seem like the stuff that was wiped but then it cured to be cloudy if that makes sense. Like I said it looked great when I was done I inspected it with lights and all was good but 2 hours later I noticed the mess
 
My recommendation for people who were nervous about using coatings always was to use a WOWA sealant for a while to get the hang of what stuff likes like while it flashes, what high spots look like, how long you have to wait to remove high spots, etc.

However, Gloss-Coat is purportedly even easier to use than Opti-Seal (I can't weigh in on that because I haven't used my G-C yet). It does sound like perhaps you simply used too much product.

When you say "cloudy" is the "mess" really whitish in color, or is it simply clear but won't wipe off? I guess on the plus side it probably hasn't fully hardened yet, and G-C may be less difficult to polish off than OC 2.0, but my guess is it's not going to buff off easily and that's the only way you're going to get it off (by machine). I'd start with your finest polish on a finishing pad and see how you do.

If no one mentioned this before pictures might help. One thing that's important on reapplication, when you wipe on the coating, when it flashes, there should be nothing visible left on the surface. If there is some remnants, that should disappear in 30 seconds or so (depending on temp and humidity), if it doesn't, that's a high spot that needs to be removed before it cures.

If you were leaving something on the surface (that you could see) when you were done with a panel, then that was too much product and may have lead to the problem you have.

Oh shucks, you're in San Antonio? Run that vehicle over to Concours Auto Spa, Anthony or Ron will be able to take one look and tell you what happened and may give you some advice on how to fix it.
 
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