Optimum MF Correcting Pads

Looking forward to it Chris! I will wait

Why can't I get the 6" optimum foam rotary backing plate though? on this one I don't think I will be able to wait much longer and will purchase a competitors product as much as I would rather buy yours. Is there a reason they aren't available yet?
 
Looking forward to it Chris! I will wait

Why can't I get the 6" optimum foam rotary backing plate though? on this one I don't think I will be able to wait much longer and will purchase a competitors product as much as I would rather buy yours. Is there a reason they aren't available yet?

I was told by our supplier that the 5" was ideal for both the 5.25" and the 6.25"...I told him I ( and others ) would prefer a 6" so I'm hoping to still get them in.
 
Actually we have been tweaking the material to have more cut than the polishing pads without taking the polish/compound into account. I promise they will be worth the wait.

Interesting. You have my attention.
 
Thanks for the update Chris! Much appreciated.

Bobby, those are the polishing or finishing pads. The cutting pads are the ones I am looking forward to.
 
Thanks for the update Chris! Much appreciated.

Bobby, those are the polishing or finishing pads. The cutting pads are the ones I am looking forward to.

What's one little word amongst friends..... :doh: :laughing:
 
Once the correction pads are out I plan to buy both polishing and correction pads to try with yalls new polishes.
 
So I decided to try the Optimum MF pads. I bought 3 on one of my last orders through AG.

I was probably 55% through polishing a black G wagon and the mf portion peels off from the foam. One pad on the first use - using a makita on speeds ranging between 1.5 and 2.5. I was polishing the roof with menzerna 1500/SIP and the buffer starts hopping... I was checking the pad regularly and washed it once in the grit guart pad washer halfway through... I was using high compressed air to fluf the fibers from time to time.

In anycase, the microfiber separated from the foam. There was very little heat - I was checking it with my hand every few minutes of use and I was also touching the paint.

Fortunately I had 2 extras so I slapped on another pad and kept working. The second pad was also starting to break down - as you can see although the glue did not fail, the mf was separating with a thin layer of foam.

I like the idea, but I can't say that I can afford to use 2 pads per car. The Meguiars MF pads, although not desiged for an orbital, seemed to hold up better for me. I was able to go through 2 cars ( on the maroon cutting pad) before it started to show signs of wear.

Maybe I am not using the product the way it was meant to be used... I washed the pad once and kept using it after I spun it dry and fluffed it with high compressed air; I was not going over 2.5 speed on a makita buffer and most of the panels on the car are flat (mercedes G wagon.) The results were good, but still...
 
Is this the first documented failure available to the public? This is interesting because the pads were supposed to be built to last.
 
well there goes that idea of the new lamination processes that will not fall apart in use.
 
With chunks of foam still attached to the MF, It looks torn more than delaminated. What backing plate are you using. Of course, we recommend ours but that's only because some Velcro holds too tight and when you remove the pad from the plate you can pull the pad apart if not careful. The second photo seems to show a starting point for the tear. Could that have happened on a sharp edge, or the GG pad washer? Did you use a degreaser to clean that may have dissolved/weakened the glue? No other incident has been reported, so I'd really like more info.
 
to me it looks like it could have been a mixture of things, but a mercedes g550 looks like it would have a couple possible spots to tear a pad such as the roof drip rails and any sharp corners as its such a boxy vehicle, but seems to me it delaminated, i bet if there was a liquid vinyl film applied to the back of the microfiber that would soak into the back fabric alittle bit it would work better as im guessing most of the glue is left on the foam.these pads are designed for polishing so they have a softer foam, and when using a product to remove defects your going to use more pressure then doing the final polishing step so that could have something to do with it as the meguiars microfiber cutting pads have a harder foam compound. so maybe its due to that. i would provide more information for chris, im sure optimum will make things right.
 
Ok,

As far as prepping the car - the car was clay barred with ziano prior to drying and taping up.

I started buffing it with 1500 and a brand new Optimum MF pad. There was very little correction that needed to be done. The reason I started with this step is because the car has already been cut with a wool pad before the car came in so thats why I chose to start with the mf polishing pad.

I used the makita buffer with LC-43-125WH Rotary 4 ¾ inch Flexible Backing Plate

I can show pics of the car, there really are no sharp corners that you have to dig into - I didn't have any problem with any of the thick foam pads I was using snagging any corners. Its almost like polishing a huge box. I had to paint the trim along the top of the car so I steered clear of the trim seeing as how I didnt want to have to re-do it.

The roof is where the pad came apart on the flat edge of the passengers side rear. I was not digging the pad into the ridges running down the roof of the car. On the drivers side (which I managed to finish before the pad failed) I passed right over the ridges without even hitting them with the mf pad bc I planned on getting them on the next step with the flex and the thicker lake country foam pad.

I did not have any problems with snagging the pad. I was fluffing it with the air hose every time I finished a small section. What I noticed is - If i wasn't constantly fluffing the pad, it was very hard to control the buffer.

Otherwise, as far as cleaning the pad - I spritzed it with a pad cleaner and used a small brush (bought from autogeek - a vinyl/leather brush with short bristles) to lightly agitate the fibers before I washed it in the grit guard pad washer. I washed it for about 25-30 seconds on slow speed and I did put a little pressure on the edges because after buffing for a while, it seemed as though the fibers would get matted together with a mixture of caramelized polish residue and perhaps whatever small amount of clear was being removed by the buffing process. I resorted to washing the pad because the build-up had gotten to the point where fluffing the pad was just not giving me enough time to finish a small section.

I did not peel the first pad off the backing plate until it failed. I know that this can be a problem if you are constantly putting the pad on and taking it off, but this was not the case.

The pad failed shortly after it was washed - within 2 sections. I washed it with a foam pad cleaner - the same one Ive been using for years on all my foam pads and never had a problem with. In fact I washed the MG MF pad with the same product and much more often (the maroon cutting disk).

After I washed the pad, I spun it dry first inside the pad washer by lifting it up off the washing grate. Then I took it out and ran it up to the highest speed on the makita, and then I felt it with my hand to make sure it was fairly dry to the touch and then I fluffed it up with the high compressed air.

Its not my first time buffing a car - Ive been buffing cars for a few months shy of 20 years.
 
i think we found our problem, its hard to get every last bit of water out of a pad after washing it especially microfiber. i know with the hydrotech pads if you have alittle bit of water in them they heat up the pad alot more and are more prone to failure, so it would have been better to switch pads and let the one you washed dry out, or it could have been using the makita to spin dry it. as we don't use the highest speed on a makita ever to polish a car so that high amount of centrifugal force could have weakened the glue or something of that nature, wait until chris@optimum chimes in again. my guess is it was from the pad having some moisture in it or the high speed drying after washing it....i would never spin dry any pad at the highest speed i would spin dry at 1000-1500 rpm, remember the best washing machines out spin dry at 1000 rpm. when a pad is spinning at a high rpm it can stretch out and exceed its limits, give the pads another try and don't exceed manufacturers recommended rpm range for anything you do.
 
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