Optimum Opti-seal vs. Zaino Clear Seal

Nice writeup. I see you used Z8 prior to CS. It is best to use Z6 instead of Z8 as CS over Z8 may cause some streaking.

Greg
 
killrwheels@autogeek said:
back to topic :

Ok, I have literally re-read about every post on every detailing board about Opti-seal from those who actually used it. Some idea's come to mind:

1. Was the product I got a different version versus final release ??

could be:confused: ......you got a sample........


2. Using a cloth applicator versus foam sponge making a difference ??

YES!!! why a cloth pad where the foam pad is whats recomended:confused:

3. Used to much, strange since use same ZCS meaning less finicky ??

forget C.S.:o this O.S. is a different animal........and goes on thinner than C.S.


4. Was bottle used something prior, and residue remained ??

COULD BE FROM ANOTHER SAMPLE BOTTLE......YOU NEED TO TRY A PRISTINE NEW PRODUCT

5. Was something in Poorboys Spray/Wipe counterreacting with OS ??


COULD BE.......IM USING FK 425 OR BLITZ FROM C.G.

I am boggled, as I truly wanted this to work and work well. Now even a quick qd'er wipe down is faster than buffing an entire car, but not what the product was designed to do .... wheres Anthony when we need him most ??


try the foam pad and not so heavy applied........
 
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The product used is not the product which was released. It's a beta sample, the same one which gave me the same exact results.

Anthony
 
Not to take away from PB's S&W but last year I used S&W to clean off the pollen ..truck was washed day before..so it was clean...I did a wipe down of S&W and a hour later did AW...AW streaked like it never did..it was the first time it ever streaked on me...I then used FC&S over the rest of the truck to see if it would clean off what ever S&W left...later that night I did AW again and no streaking...

Out of curiosity I did the hood of my GF's Honda with S&W and later tried AW..same thing...streaking..it was almost like a hazed wax look..buffing did not remove it so easy...so I had to use FC&S again to remove it...never had a problem with S&W with other products..just this one....seemed like a bad reaction...the AW was hazing and streaking...thats never happened before..

Al
 
Al-53 said:
Not to take away from PB's S&W but last year I used S&W to clean off the pollen ..truck was washed day before..so it was clean...I did a wipe down of S&W and a hour later did AW...AW streaked like it never did..it was the first time it ever streaked on me...I then used FC&S over the rest of the truck to see if it would clean off what ever S&W left...later that night I did AW again and no streaking...

Out of curiosity I did the hood of my GF's Honda with S&W and later tried AW..same thing...streaking..it was almost like a hazed wax look..buffing did not remove it so easy...so I had to use FC&S again to remove it...never had a problem with S&W with other products..just this one....seemed like a bad reaction...the AW was hazing and streaking...thats never happened before..

Al


Hmmmmmmmmmm very interesting...........thanks for sharing:)
 
Anthony Orosco said:
The product used is not the product which was released. It's a beta sample, the same one which gave me the same exact results.

Anthony

thank the lord ... I have literally cross studied all other options, and dont feel they substantiate the streaking. I'd take the blame, but used each product in the same manner. Looking to get some final release this coming week.

GregCavi said:
Nice writeup. I see you used Z8 prior to CS. It is best to use Z6 instead of Z8 as CS over Z8 may cause some streaking.

no Z6 in garage, so I improvised with the CS. I had no streaking whatsover with CS, just a little holograming on two rear flanks. I could have given it another 15 minutes and likely went away but rewiped and gone.

Bill said:
try the foam pad and not so heavy applied........
gotta remember I didnt get the foam applicator, nor directions, just a bottle that was offered as Opti-seal with some scribling. So I treated it exactly as I did CS. I would not in any way consider the application heavy. I am well versed in sealants and learned alot from the original Zaino line. (less is more)
 
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Just read this -- I went out and put 4 full spray in between the strips on the Mini Cooper's hood and just lightly wiped it around with sponge applicator. You could see the liquid on the hood and NO streaking and not even a hit of holograming just took a few extra minutes to dry. I have done 7 coats now and not one holigram and only a couple of spots on the strips on the mini that even looked the least bit like a streak.

Hopefully it was a old beta sample and that had known problems.:cheers:
 
dennish said:
Just read this -- I went out and put 4 full spray in between the strips on the Mini Cooper's hood and just lightly wiped it around with sponge applicator. You could see the liquid on the hood and NO streaking and not even a hit of holograming just took a few extra minutes to dry. I have done 7 coats now and not one holigram and only a couple of spots on the strips on the mini that even looked the least bit like a streak.

Hopefully it was a old beta sample and that had known problems.:cheers:

Ok, we've determined that killr prob. got a beta.......so how does the final product look compared to other sealants? Is it wetter??? Thanks!
 
This is a black lexus that I worked on friday. I applied two coats friday, one saturday
and one today. The one today simply because of the streaking problem you are having.
No Streaking.

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The next two shots are reflections of the bottle. One is the sunroof glass and the other is the paint on the roof of the Lexus. I think the second shot is on the paint.
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dengood1 said:
Ok, we've determined that killr prob. got a beta.......so how does the final product look compared to other sealants? Is it wetter??? Thanks!

I would say it on the same level as Wolfgang.
 
killrwheels@autogeek said:
Well water restrictions are calmed at 5pm-7pm on Saturday for my area, and I was up for detailing both cars. Lately we have been using the SRX daily and the Vette sits in the garage and used once a week when mommy and Chris has Gym and other items and need truck.

I thought the vette was your daily driver? Now I know your secret to its beautiful perfection!! AHA!!!!
muhahahahah!
 
dennish said:
I would say it on the same level as Wolfgang.
I say that's wet!

These two look the same, maybe one is a little darker. So one is glass the other is paint! WOW!
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k20z3kid said:
i dont think it has muted the reflection. if you look at the first picture there is much more sunlight in the background, and in the second picture there isnt. the lines of the things being reflected appear to be just as sharp just not as bright because of the lack of sunlight.

That is what it looks like to me too. The second picture doesn't have any sun in it so it looks darker.
 
sparkie said:
I say that's wet!

These two look the same, maybe one is a little darker. So one is glass the other is paint! WOW!
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picture124qh1.jpg

All I can say is WOW! :applause:
 
ltoman said:
I thought the vette was your daily driver? Now I know your secret to its beautiful perfection!! AHA!!!!
muhahahahah!

Since mommy is now 9 months pregnant she is no longer driving, so I get to save some gas, mileage and $$ with the Vette parked for a while. Soon (may 4th) we will have added to the family and likely I will drive the Vette daily again. Although I gotta line on an STS-V for me !! :D
 
How long does the OS take to cure (1 coat)? How long should I wait to reapply? Thanks!
 
I'm seeing it drying in just a couple of minutes and wait 1 to 2 hours for additional layers. I did 5 layers in 5 hours without any overload or streaking problems.
 
I have asked for a new bottle from AG to test against the same, till then Sal will be calling and offering me a position with the zealots I suppose.
 
Ok, I applied last night and definitely had streaking and nothing I did got rid of it immediately, even reapplying. Sooooo.....I let it dry and gave it a quick detail in the morning with some Poorboys Spray and Gloss and it immediately was gone! The car looks fantastic. This was my first use of Poorboys S&G and the stuff ranks right up there with FK 425 and Quickshine in my eyes. Anyhow, the Opti-seal is a keeper, even if some have to QD the streaks;) I did the first part of my car with the foam applicator that came with it (yellow), then switched to the Wolfgang euro applicator, using the soft black side and it seemed to spread thinner and more evenly.
 
k20z3kid said:
i dont think it has muted the reflection. if you look at the first picture there is much more sunlight in the background, and in the second picture there isnt. the lines of the things being reflected appear to be just as sharp just not as bright because of the lack of sunlight.

Yep, you're right, looks like the sun went bye-bye. Good catch.
 
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