Oxidation versus Haxing: the same?

[ltoman]

I wanted to know - are oxidation and hazing the same? Can both be repaired with the pc?
What is the difference? How are they similar? They both affect only the clear coat, correct?
Thank you!

 

[orngez]

the hazing is just a lighter level of oxidation or a sometimes very even layer of swirls.....the only exception to this is if the paint has been overpolished and the cc layer has been removed than the paint will apper to have a haze to it...you will know if there is no more cc by looking at your polishing pad..if the paint color is tranfering on to it...adios cc.....

in this pic from the g35 i just did...this depicts when paint can looked hazed from a very even layer of fine swirls..all these defects can be removed by polishing.compounding with a pc other than the cc failure...

 

[Anthony Orosco]

oxidation is, in a nutshell, dead paint that one removes through an abrasion process.

Hazing can be caused by any number of things such as heavy marring. Clear coats do not oxidize like single stage paints.

Anthony

 

[Reddwarf]

So if there is oxidation then there is no ckear coat, right? That would make sense. If you get oxidation off with a PC and the pad is colored from the paint oxidation can you clean it or is the pad toast?

 

[BetaB]

So if there is oxidation then there is no ckear coat, right?

sorry, read your post wrong, ignore me.

 

[sneek]

How come a clear coat does not oxidize? I think about this a lot and I think it does oxidize, it is just more difficult to see. I am fairly certain that the Honda tinted clears oxidize.

 

[supercharged]

I wanted to know - are oxidation and hazing the same? Can both be repaired with the pc?
What is the difference? How are they similar? They both affect only the clear coat, correct?
Thank you!

Oxidation and hazing are different. Oxidation would come from sprinkers, hard water spots. It etches paint, and sometimes even a PC would work, and you will need a rotary. Hazing is a different story and can easily get corrected with a PC.

Hope this helps.

 

[Gary Sword]

First swirls now haxing? I never heard of haxing. I don't really know what it is but it doesn't sound good. I centainly have never seen a haxed swirly red vette.

 

[ltoman]

First swirls now haxing? I never heard of haxing. I don't really know what it is but it doesn't sound good. I centainly have never seen a haxed swirly red vette.

Oh no it is not the vette, it is a side job I might take on. Think i got it fine. thanks guys for the clarification, since several of the experts here no longer talk to me because i do not agree wit them on some things.

hence my nasty signature before - lol.

 

[joe.p]

I think what Lauren is asking is process should be used for correction..One thing that would help you is if you post a pic of the paint i'm sure many will step up to get you thru this ..

Lauren don't hax this up

 

[ltoman]

Ok. here come the photos!

Ok, suggestions?
Fair pricing for me to wash, clay, polish, glaze n wax?

 

[Bigfoot]

Ok. here come the photos!

Ok, suggestions?
Fair pricing for me to wash, clay, polish, glaze n wax?

I think that looks to me more like CC failure, not hazing. I hope I'm wrong, but that's what it looks like from the pics...

 

[sneek]

I am guessing thats a Mustang?

Have you tried anything on it yet?

I would hit is with something that isn't too oily. I think the XMT3 is = to #83 in cut so try that.

EDIT: Don't set a price yet. Do a test spot and see if you can even remove the defects. The last thing you want is to tell them a number, and then not be able to deliver the results that the owner is expecting.

 

[ltoman]

cc failure is what i think i am seeing in the third photo. two looks repairable.
i hate repaints

 

[ltoman]

I am guessing thats a Mustang?

Have you tried anything on it yet?

I would hit is with something that isn't too oily. I think the XMT3 is = to #83 in cut so try that.

EDIT: Don't set a price yet. Do a test spot and see if you can even remove the defects. The last thing you want is to tell them a number, and then not be able to deliver the results that the owner is expecting.

exactly what i thought. the owner is a kid - 17!
told him no charge if i can;t really fix it.
then i got photos - doesnt 3 look like cc failure on the edges?

 

[wytstang]

Wow that looks really bad for a repainted car. That will take you upwards to 8hrs since it looks like it hasn't been taken care of since the repaint. That or the floresent(sp?) lights are making it look worse then it really is. Being black it shows you your mistakes or what you missed. Is there anyway you can do a panel like the roof or trunk? That will give you a better idea of how much work is involved and how soft or hard the new CC is.

 

[wytstang]

exactly what i thought. the owner is a kid - 17!
told him no charge if i can;t really fix it.
then i got photos - doesnt 3 look like cc failure on the edges?

[FONT=&quot]Pass he's probably not going to understand how much work is actually involved. There for will not be willing to pay for good work. He may be used to making minimum wage but are you?[/FONT]

 

[sneek]

Well you don't know until you try!

Is this a V6 Stang? If he's 17 and he has an eight...he can afford to pay you to detail it.

 

[ltoman]

Well you don't know until you try!

Is this a V6 Stang? If he's 17 and he has an eight...he can afford to pay you to detail it.

minimum wage? heck no! lol
i see both your points guys.
i sooo don't know what to do.

 

[wytstang]

Is he paying or father? quote him $125 ($15hrs for 8hrs) if he freaks out offer him an alternative. Quote him $50 for a wash , clay, oil bath (I mean glaze) and wax. Just besure to be very clear that you are not removing any defects just hiding them. If he says he washes with dish washing liquid tell him you have a 5 minute 5 mile warrenty which ever comes first. Mustangs (94-98) are not hard to detail as it has rounded edges and not many tight spots. Obviouysly the wing will have to come off or use elbow grease to get work done under there.