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DFB said:
I tested a bunch of these panel prep products back-to-back with an IPA + water mix the control. The IPA/water does a job, but it has more drawbacks than positives; lack of lubrication, evaporates too quickly to be as effective, higher IPA content in the mix is known to soften clearcoat. If you were dealing with softer paints, then the lack of lubrication could undo the work put into a paint correction. There is the argument that those lubrication elements could work against you, but products like Eraser and Prep have been out for years and I haven't come across information suggesting that they caused problems with the bonding of an LSP. At the end of the day, I do wonder how much money you save mixing IPA solutions compared to just buying a more targeted pre-made solution.
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I don't claim to know much on this subject however several of the commercial panel prep products appear to have Iso , or something fairly similar as one of the main ingredients. Not sure what ratio of alcohol approaches the danger zone but I am using it at 5:1 so would think I'm good. I've read where some use a 50/50 ratio of iso and distilled water.
Lack of lubrication is a valid point however earlier in this thread it was suggested to add a smidgen of rinseless to the mix. That sounds good to me. Or even A small amount of soap.
I have been known to be skeptical of some detailing products and their validity. Certainly not all products but with my limited knowledge it appears my skepticism may not be far off the mark concerning panel prep products.
 
BLM said:
I don't claim to know much on this subject however several of the commercial panel prep products appear to have Iso , or something fairly similar as one of the main ingredients. Not sure what ratio of alcohol approaches the danger zone but I am using it at 5:1 so would think I'm good. I've read where some use a 50/50 ratio of iso and distilled water.
Lack of lubrication is a valid point however earlier in this thread it was suggested to add a smidgen of rinseless to the mix. That sounds good to me. Or even A small amount of soap.
I have been known to be skeptical of some detailing products and their validity. Certainly not all products but with my limited knowledge it appears my skepticism may not be far off the mark concerning panel prep products.
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I use Brian of Apex's formula for a homebrew Iso mix

The mix that terrifies me is Windex and Acetone but Paul A, among others, says it works and is safe

If that is the case I have a hard time understanding how Iso and water would or could harm paint
 
Doesn't look like Griot's Garage is too worried about a line of "Greatest products in the World" apparently, they're still in business
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....another one!

Might make a nice engine bay dressing, amongst other things, innovators INNOVATE
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Reformulated...for your pleasure! Sorry Pan, made and developed in-house, nobody's worried about your little "blip" on the screen
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BLM said:
Do you recall what that formula is?
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I remember it varied depending on the alcohol you had access to

It was a blurb in one of his Q&A videos some years ago

I am using 91% alcohol and I believe it is 3:1 with distilled water

Don't quote me, I will do some fact checking
 
chilly said:
I remember it varied depending on the alcohol you had access to

It was a blurb in one of his Q&A videos some years ago

I am using 91% alcohol and I believe it is 3:1 with distilled water

Don't quote me, I will do some fact checking
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OK, the experts say you want to end up as close to a 25% alcohol solution as possible

I haven't seen any 99% isopropyl since covid so I use 91% and just simplify the math and go 3:1, water to alcohol
 
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I'm not sure what the "fear" about IPA is, I remember this came up a long, long time ago, I think from Todd Helme, maybe even Anthony Orosco, about "swelling" the paint. I have always used straight IPA when I clean a spot for touchup paint, which has got to be the worst since I frequently have cleaned rust out of the chip, so the edges of the e-coat, primer, color and clear are exposed...and I have never had any problem doing that, with whatever the supermarket percentage is, 70% I guess. I think the last time I bought some they had 70 and 90%. IPA is a pretty mild...otherwise they wouldn't use it in hand sanitizer and sell it in the supermarket.

I'd be more worried if it was methanol.

Oh, and PS, we're all amateur chemists here, we can't figure out what the "lubricant" is in these prepared panel wipes? I mean it's pretty ridiculously priced for 73% water, 25% IPA, and 2% lubricant.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
I'm not sure what the "fear" about IPA is, I remember this came up a long, long time ago, I think from Todd Helme, maybe even Anthony Orosco, about "swelling" the paint. I have always used straight IPA when I clean a spot for touchup paint, which has got to be the worst since I frequently have cleaned rust out of the chip, so the edges of the e-coat, primer, color and clear are exposed...and I have never had any problem doing that, with whatever the supermarket percentage is, 70% I guess. I think the last time I bought some they had 70 and 90%. IPA is a pretty mild...otherwise they wouldn't use it in hand sanitizer and sell it in the supermarket.

I'd be more worried if it was methanol.

Oh, and PS, we're all amateur chemists here, we can't figure out what the "lubricant" is in these prepared panel wipes? I mean it's pretty ridiculously priced for 73% water, 25% IPA, and 2% lubricant.
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They use special water!!
 

Found an example of what is closer to "Best in the World"

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Klasse Act said:

Found an example of what is closer to "Best in the World"

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Both the drivers & navigators in World Rally cars are nuts…when they crash they crash BIG!

And the spectators lining the roads are a bit unhinged too

Would love to spend a day or two at Dirtfish though…looks like fun: https://drive.dirtfish.com/


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Klasse Act said:

Found an example of what is closer to "Best in the World"

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Ari Vatanen and Terry Heramen getting it done (forgive my spelling...."oh dear God")

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Setec Astronomy said:
I'm not sure what the "fear" about IPA is, I remember this came up a long, long time ago, I think from Todd Helme, maybe even Anthony Orosco, about "swelling" the paint. I have always used straight IPA when I clean a spot for touchup paint, which has got to be the worst since I frequently have cleaned rust out of the chip, so the edges of the e-coat, primer, color and clear are exposed...and I have never had any problem doing that, with whatever the supermarket percentage is, 70% I guess. I think the last time I bought some they had 70 and 90%. IPA is a pretty mild...otherwise they wouldn't use it in hand sanitizer and sell it in the supermarket.

I'd be more worried if it was methanol.

Oh, and PS, we're all amateur chemists here, we can't figure out what the "lubricant" is in these prepared panel wipes? I mean it's pretty ridiculously priced for 73% water, 25% IPA, and 2% lubricant.
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Polymers! It’s what paint craves!


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Pan appeared at the end of OG's day-3 SEMA video. Matt had lost his voice, so there was nothing to stop FTP (Fast-Talk-Pan). He looked rather sheepish when approached by the camera, and his "stand" was basically a set of white bookshelves to showcase his product range. I get the feeling his target audience wouldn't be walking the isles at SEMA.

From the 44.50min mark -

 
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