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Yeah they seem very serious. I'm sure it's good stuff very nice labeling. Seems they have distanced themselves lately on youtube at least. I think its a good move.

Off topic: I often wonder about spray polishes because i actually looked at Pan's lol. Why hasn't more companies released a spray polish i wonder? I had a reply from a German channel a weeks ago they do extensive testing. He stated spray polishes are crap or junk i thinkn he said lol

I would like to know more about spray polishes personally. Interesting Eddie didn't go the spray route.
Well my experience with spray polishes goes back about 10 years, maybe less, when I used OPT spray polish on my buddy's then new GT350 to get it ready for coating. He bought the polish after doing his research and I actually liked it. I'm sure you can "adjust it" with a more aggressive pad like a Uro-fiber or the like but I'd rather practice that on something like say my g/f's Cruze

Since the EN's paint was in good shape I didn't need anything too aggressive, orange, thin 5" Griot's Garage pad and OPT spray polish, cat came out great, 4 section pass and speed setting of #5

I'm sure DIY's spray polish is very similar since Ivan was at Optimum for so long

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Klasse, your OPT Hyper Polish is 10 years old? Is it the original pink or the blue they changed it to later?
 
Do you have a source to back this statement? Not being combative, rather I'm interested to know as I really, really like their products.
No. But they have admitted on video that their coatings are from Asia. It would take me forever to find that video. They made a lot with EC details.

I know one of them was a master detailer with Esoteric Car Care - which released their own line a while back.

They are detailers(ADS) not chemists.

They really look great so i wouldn't knock them or anything and have a very positive following.

I landed on Labocometica for most of my stuff i have after 7 years or so lol

Very interested in the Nxtzen 360 coating. Have you seen Nxtzen before? Considering your aussie - I have fond memories of working with an aussie in alberta, canada in 2013 i think it was. He had dreadlocks and was a great laugh, white guy.

Labo is working on a spray coating too according to Reggie. That will out perform Cancoat - which i have a love/hate relationship. It was the best beads and worst waterspots i ever had at the sametime....

The thing that makes Nxtzen 360 stand out is that the american distribtor is telling people if you put the can in the freezer after use it will last indefinitely.
 
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Klasse, your OPT Hyper Polish is 10 years old? Is it the original pink or the blue they changed it to later?
I'm not sure how old it is but it is blue in color and worked great for my needs back in October

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Klasse, your OPT Hyper Polish is 10 years old? Is it the original pink or the blue they changed it to later?
I just went and looked for the bottle I have that is at least that old, and I can't find it

It separated and the solids settled into a rock hard mass in the bottom that no amount of shaking could get back into suspension

I even banged the bottle against a work bench just to see if the solid would break up and it didn't

I must have finally thrown it away

As we discussed back channel a while ago, ALL of my bottles of OPT non-spray polish/compound separated after a few years of non use and could not be brought back into suspension

Someone even suggested a paint shaker but I wasn't desperate enough to go that route

They were really nice products but got pushed back as I tried new things and I regret I essentially wasted them
 
Proud to be 1 of 135

I tried to watch it but I made it in about 4 minutes, couldn't take it! "Shook up the industry"...enough!

Then there's these "hosts", one looks like some goomba and the other one looks DJ Kalid's Dad....

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These are the guys that front Armor Detail Supply. Eddie Colon did a lot of testing for them pre release.


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Pan talks alot like all good conman but doesn't really say anything of importance. I looked up the address of THOR and Clean on the SDS sheets. The address links back to same S and S auto supplies manufacturers company. I stick with the actual manufacturers personally.

I don't support white labels anymore. Lots of them - ADS would be one of the new popular ones. DIY, Clean and The House of rags(Detail Co.), Apex surface protection, ethos car care etc are all white label.

White label - Is basically when an entrepreneur approaches a chemical manfacturer for white label or private label of there base chemistry with some "tweaks" so you can call it your own and sleep at night. I doubt Pan as trouble sleeping he's so phony, its unreal how he fools so many people. I have never seen him paint correct. That's a good question if even as one video of him using a polisher. That would be telling for sure.

I still like Eddie a bit, so i might try something from Detail Co. just for fun. Nothing really interests me though besides the rinseless sponge lol The blueberry pad looks solid too from Buff and Shine i would guess but i don't know.

White labeling is not inherently bad IMO - just the jacked up prices and marketing get out of hand. I even got a gallon of DIY rinseless because i felt Yyan taught me a few handy tips over the years. He's another conman however.

Supposedly DiY detail not white labeled. The chem company owns brand. Ivan and other dude were given partial ownership to be ambassadors.

They originally came to Ivan and he wasn’t feeling it and recommended other guy. Ended up doing it together.


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You think ADS is "white label"?

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Yes, the dont manufacture there own chemicals from what I understand. How close Eddie is with ADS wouldn’t be surprised if he detail co was using same blender..


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Yes, the dont manufacture there own chemicals from what I understand. How close Eddie is with ADS wouldn’t be surprised if he detail co was using same blender..


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This guy's close with ADS...I suddenly feel dirty, maybe I need to mix up some Feynlab RW v3 in the bathtub and soak a bit
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Supposedly DiY detail not white labeled. The chem company owns brand. Ivan and other dude were given partial ownership to be ambassadors.

They originally came to Ivan and he wasn’t feeling it and recommended other guy. Ended up doing it together.


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I was going to say something snarky about "The other guy", but my momma taught me if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all

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Do you have a source to back this statement? Not being combative, rather I'm interested to know as I really, really like their products.

You can see it all over there site. The will talk about formulations but no mention of manufacturing. Doesn’t mean they don’t come up with formulas or have great products.

You like Obsessed stuff and all his products are white label.

Not 100% sure i remember where I read it and might be wrong but every where you look says he developed and formulated his products.

If he made them I’m pretty sure it would say it but I could bec wrong.


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This guy's close with ADS...I suddenly feel dirty, maybe I need to mix up some Feynlab RW v3 in the bathtub and soak a bit
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I mean eddies a little much but I can deal with him. He never says nemesis the best just another option in a long line of rinseless.

Never been a fan or disliked Jamie… never really watched his videos.


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I mean eddies a little much but I can deal with him. He never says nemesis the best just another option in a long line of rinseless.

Never been a fan or disliked Jamie… never really watched his videos.


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Never heard of Jamie and for me, I can't deal with someone who tries to make a joke about everything while doing YouTube videos about detailing

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I mean eddies a little much but I can deal with him. He never says nemesis the best just another option in a long line of rinseless.

Never been a fan or disliked Jamie… never really watched his videos.


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To the contrary, he's stated in a video how he's not happy with Nemesis and how it foams.

He even made fun of Mike G's AKA The Guz review that it didn't foam. In the comment section.

He basically said The Guz was the only guy not to complain about to much foam.

The jig is up with Mike G. IMO.
 
You can see it all over there site. The will talk about formulations but no mention of manufacturing. Doesn’t mean they don’t come up with formulas or have great products.

You like Obsessed stuff and all his products are white label.

Not 100% sure i remember where I read it and might be wrong but every where you look says he developed and formulated his products.

If he made them I’m pretty sure it would say it but I could bec wrong.


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If you are referencing Matt here, I think you will find that he has done the complete opposite. Only three of his products are white labeled, Drying Aid/Tire Dressing/Decon Soap, everything else is from known brands. At every point though, he makes it clear that none of them are his own development. Drying Aid and Tire Dressing are both B&B products, and if you watch the introduction videos for either, he makes no attempt to hide that these are white labeled or even where they come from. Drying Aid uses the base B&B Slipstream formula, but with the scent and color removed compared to the same product sold by Ethos, Adams, Shine Supply, Xtreme Solutions.

As for ADS, just because they don't manufacture their own products, that doesn't necessarily mean they are white labeling. I'm not saying this is the case here, as I said, I would be interested to know the answer to this question. Would it influence my purchases going forward if I did find out, no because of the products themselves are brilliant. And as for the ADS coatings being made in Asia, that applies to most coatings actually.

When I first started to look into ADS, the following statement listed under each of their ceramic coatings caught my attention -

We at Armour Detail Supply are committed to developing enjoyable, easy-to-use formulas that provide professional-level results. We live by the notion of providing "Car Care Products That Are NOT Over-Hyped!". Meaning, we are not in the business of overselling our products, providing outlandish claims, or claims only proven in lab environments.

Does your vehicle live in a lab? Do you? We didn't think so. So why make claims based on lab results. That’s why we have separated ourselves from industry-specific buzzwords like “ceramic”, “graphene”, “titanium” and “nano”. These coatings primary ingredients are Silica Dioxide(SiO2 or Quartz)/PolySiloxanes/PolySilazanes (as the protection), proprietary resins (as "attachment systems"), and carrier solvents (to provide an easy installation). Hence why we call our "ceramic" coatings, Quartz Coatings.

We have done the lab testing of our Coatings, it suggests durability over twice what we are claiming and hardness levels we know are laughable. When entrusting the protection of your vehicle to Armour Quartz Coatings, you are experiencing only real world claims and durability.

The above was enough for me to give them a punt, and it paid off because I like using their products more than any other at the moment. No doubt, someone else will come along and go one better, but for now, the products and results speak for themselves. And finally, there is a massive attitude difference between ADS and Clean by Pan.
 
Never heard of Jamie and for me, I can't deal with someone who tries to make a joke about everything while doing YouTube videos about detailing

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Jamie the cleaner. Guy he started detail co with


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To the contrary, he's stated in a video how he's not happy with Nemesis and how it foams.

He even made fun of Mike G's AKA The Guz review that it didn't foam. In the comment section.

He basically said The Guz was the only guy not to complain about to much foam.

The jig is up with Mike G. IMO.

Saw the video and didn’t foam up worse than any other surfactant based rinseless I’ve used.

And I don’t know what you mean by contrary because I just stated what I saw him say in a video. Didn’t ask what you had heard.

Lastly The Guz has been a stand up dude on this forum for a long time. Bold statement to make on your opinion on one video…. You’re entitled to it though…


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If you are referencing Matt here, I think you will find that he has done the complete opposite. Only three of his products are white labeled, Drying Aid/Tire Dressing/Decon Soap, everything else is from known brands. At every point though, he makes it clear that none of them are his own development. Drying Aid and Tire Dressing are both B&B products, and if you watch the introduction videos for either, he makes no attempt to hide that these are white labeled or even where they come from. Drying Aid uses the base B&B Slipstream formula, but with the scent and color removed compared to the same product sold by Ethos, Adams, Shine Supply, Xtreme Solutions.

As for ADS, just because they don't manufacture their own products, that doesn't necessarily mean they are white labeling. I'm not saying this is the case here, as I said, I would be interested to know the answer to this question. Would it influence my purchases going forward if I did find out, no because of the products themselves are brilliant. And as for the ADS coatings being made in Asia, that applies to most coatings actually.

When I first started to look into ADS, the following statement listed under each of their ceramic coatings caught my attention -



The above was enough for me to give them a punt, and it paid off because I like using their products more than any other at the moment. No doubt, someone else will come along and go one better, but for now, the products and results speak for themselves. And finally, there is a massive attitude difference between ADS and Clean by Pan.

I know Matt hasn’t played very few white label products but that’s what they are. White label is not a bad thing and you can order it how you want. Matt couldn’t find a perfect product from a known manufacturer he liked so he had ones created to his preference.

As for ADS not knocking them either. I’m a fan of Shine Supply. The have great products, Ammo NYC too. Neither of them make their own products. They do have a hand in formulating it which is fine by me.

Thats what I read ADS does. Apple AI does state that they do manufacture there products for what that’s worth.

Haven’t tried any ADS as I have stopped chasing the latest and greatest.


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However, the actuality of spray polishes is that if you don't use them all the time, the sprayers tend to clog and then can actually break

The bottle I have is pretty annoying. It says to shake well before using, but any little shake and it begins leaking like a stuck pig.

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Well my experience with spray polishes goes back about 10 years, maybe less, when I used OPT spray polish on my buddy's then new GT350 to get it ready for coating. He bought the polish after doing his research and I actually liked it. I'm sure you can "adjust it" with a more aggressive pad like a Uro-fiber or the like but I'd rather practice that on something like say my g/f's Cruze



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Klasse, your OPT Hyper Polish is 10 years old? Is it the original pink or the blue they changed it to later?

@Klasse Act. Are you talking about the same bottle you sent me?

I just went and looked for the bottle I have that is at least that old, and I can't find it

It separated and the solids settled into a rock hard mass in the bottom that no amount of shaking could get back into suspension

I even banged the bottle against a work bench just to see if the solid would break up and it didn't

I just checked the bottle I have and it was separated.

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But a quick shake and it mixed just fine.

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Nice polish, but the bottle & sprayer suck. I need to put it into a different bottle & new sprayer to prevent leaking.
 
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