Pan the Organizer product line...let's discuss@

CleanIT said:
What about Esoteric's new line? Didn't Todd go down to the Amazon to acquire some ingredient for his interior detailer.
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I had no idea about his line but then again I don't follow him, seems like an elitist like that guy from Obsessed Garage

I'm not bashing anyone who likes the above people but it'd just how I see these 2 people, if I can't relate to them or they rub me the wrong way I'm out I'm not a hero for thus either but I unsub'd to Pan because I know how this is going down and I'm not interested

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If Tim Allen promoted "wash chemicals" either of the two above could play him!
 
Klasse Act said:
But he's kinda of a DB IMO, other than what you said, could you really like him? Did you know he too has a specific line of products

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Yup I’m aware of his products. The touchless wash looks interesting but doesn’t seem practical at 16oz. for around $20’bucks. Why would I buy that?

The water spot acid cleaner looks useful but I found another product in a gallon thats much cheaper and I’ve seen proof that it actually works on heavy water spots unlike every weak water spot remover we’ve ever tried.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Really? I've found WETS to be very good, and last a long time. I've almost dropped the bottle many times because the stuff is so slippery. It's possible they've changed it because my bottle is from when it first came out, 1946 I think.
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Same here. I purchased a bottle back in 2018 to use on my wife’s then new Nissan Murano. It’s been working great as I only have to apply it once a year. I was pretty surprised it lasted that long even with our great New England winters.

Just checked and I still have half a bottle left. A little goes a long way.
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When a youtube channel starts reviewing their own products and says it's the GOAT then they lose any and all credibility for me. Doesn't help when the video is so poorly filmed that I have to trust that the bucket off camera actually contains the product they're talking about to clean off dirt from the sponge/towel.

I'll wait for The Guz to review a product before I spend money on it. He's not turned me wrong in years of watching.
 
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Gridlink said:
When a youtube channel starts reviewing their own products and says it's best GOAT then they lose any and all credibility for me. Doesn't help when the video is so poorly filmed that I have to trust that the bucket off camera actually contains the product they're talking about to clean off dirt from the sponge/towel.

I'll wait for The Guz to review a product before I spend money on it. He's not turned me wrong in years of watching.
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See the exception to the rule here in Brian from Apex, I don't recall him "removing a rib" to further talk about his greatness, infact I saw him at Car Supplies Warehouse content creator day about 2+ yrs ago and he was just walking around the crowd, no booth or fanfare but then again he's a legit detailer and business man who decided to have his own line

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Klasse Act said:
Well yes, the Guz is one and the other is our own DFB (Deyon), the latter not a YouTuber but goes into massive detail about the products he uses

Yeah that TWHS group was yucking it up and yeah, I've been a repeat customer of several of those products but TW themselves have been kinda quiet, sans Mr. Cartoon Tire Coat which is a sleeper product but because it's aligned with him it may be over looked by snobs, hell, I almost overlooked it and I'm glad I tried it

I think our own members, Guz, Deyon and "maybe" Jon from Forensic can surely be trusted...IMHO

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I think @DFB does a bang up job on his reviews, I was just referring to the YT crowd, not that I care because I rarely watch YT content for product reviews, more for specific process tips, hacks, etc that I might be looking for

It was a curiosity thing anyway

I have a hard time with Jon (Forensic) simply because I find him very long winded, taking way longer to get to the point and pass on the info than I think is needed. Not saying his info is inaccurate or biased, just hard for me to sit through
 
Who sparked this trend? Do you think it was Jay Leno in sort of a softball way?
Off the top of my head, here’s some of the so called influencers that have released their own products:
-Jay Leno
-Renny Doyle
-Auto Fanatic
-American Detailer
-Jimbo
-Detail Groove
-Auto Fetish Detail
-Dallas Paint Correction
-Apex Detail
-Ivan Lacroix/DIY Detail
-Obsessed Garage
-Esoteric
-Pan
-Ammo NYC

The majority of these product lines have something in common.. Most of them sell a form of All Purpose Cleaner concentrate and a water based dressing with a striking resemblance to the originator in the game, except they sell theirs at 2x-5x the price.

I personally have a hard time switching from something tried & true that also has remained a great value for decades such as Meguiars Hyper Wash and somehow pay almost 5x more for a blatant copy even down to the dilution ratio i.e. DIY Incredible Suds. $100 vs. $30?

Even when Meguiars had to increase the price of Hyper Dressing during Covid, what have they done since? They brought the price back down! That’s what you call running an honest business! They didn’t have to do that…

They could’ve went with the same lame excuse for why so many things have become the new more expensive norm post Covid. That’s the kind of stuff that earns my loyalty.


When I met Barry Meguiar I told him Gold Class wash was the 1st product I ever bought to start cleaning my 1st car and how there was something about the scent and the whole experience that made me feel like his brand of products came from a good place.
He was so nice and appreciative. He proved it right.
 
Eldorado2k said:
Who sparked this trend? Do you think it was Jay Leno in sort of a softball way?
Off the top of my head, here’s some of the so called influencers that have released their own products:
-Jay Leno
-Renny Doyle
-Auto Fanatic
-American Detailer
-Jimbo
-Detail Groove
-Auto Fetish Detail
-Dallas Paint Correction
-Apex Detail
-Ivan Lacroix/DIY Detail
-Obsessed Garage
-Esoteric
-Pan
-Ammo NYC
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Out of all of those, its Larry from Ammo that is the class act. He has a great way of showcasing his products without the hard sell and "this is the best product" type mentality. Next time you watch a video of his, notice how he makes the car the star of the show, not the products he is trying to promote or his own personality. He isn't jumping on forums to bump his view count, then calling the members narrow minded, or attacking his own commenters.

Eldorado2k said:
When I met Barry Meguiar I told him Gold Class wash was the 1st product I ever bought to start cleaning my 1st car and how there was something about the scent and the whole experience that made me feel like his brand of products came from a good place.
He was so nice and appreciative. He proved it right.
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I can totally understand that, a sentiment I find applies to me across just about everything in some form or another.
 
Klasse Act said:
Well yes, the Guz is one and the other is our own DFB (Deyon), the latter not a YouTuber but goes into massive detail about the products he uses

Yeah that TWHS group was yucking it up and yeah, I've been a repeat customer of several of those products but TW themselves have been kinda quiet, sans Mr. Cartoon Tire Coat which is a sleeper product but because it's aligned with him it may be over looked by snobs, hell, I almost overlooked it and I'm glad I tried it

I think our own members, Guz, Deyon and "maybe" Jon from Forensic can surely be trusted...IMHO

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There will be plenty of content on these products from Pan, he has a huge supporter base and plenty of contacts through YouTube.

No doubt the products will be good........................but then pretty much any modern detailing product is. Of the hundreds of products I have tired, only a handful have been truly terrible. The question will be, where are these products going to land, as in will they be a true rival to the current industry leaders? Are they going to leapfrog several established brands like Armour Detail Supply has? Or will they be just another solid, reliable offering like DIY or Optimum?

I suspect I know who will be retailing them in Australia, but I'm not sure how that will play out in terms of me buying Pan's products. Personally, I really don't want to be involved.
 
Dallas Paint Correction...I'll raise my hand to say I bought in, then he sold out to somebody and that's that

Auto-Fanatic was another one but he actually talks cars more now, he established his line and let it be, talking about it from time to time in some of his videos. I will say though, everything I used from him was very solid and I was a repeat customer on a few items

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Just to clarify, I’m not saying that I disagree with any or all the people on that list. Nothing wrong with entrepreneurship, the only thing that rubs me the wrong way for example Obsessed Garage Tire Dressing is a blatant copy of Meguiars Hyper Dressing, even down to the color.

However when it comes to price + tax & shipping you’re looking at a total $119.00 per gallon of RTU water based dressing, whereas if you just buy the original Hyper Dressing you can get a gallon shipped for a total of $55 dollars, less than half the price and on top of that it’s dilutible up to 4:1

On the other hand if you choose to buy a 32oz. RTU bottle of it from OG it costs a whopping $45 + tax + shipping which is $22 bucks!

I can’t believe they charge people that much and somehow keep a straight face while doing it. Smh.

I don’t want to hear any excuses, that’s a flat out rip off.
 
Eldorado2k said:
Just to clarify, I’m not saying that I disagree with any or all the people on that list. Nothing wrong with entrepreneurship, the only thing that rubs me the wrong way for example Obsessed Garage Tire Dressing is a blatant copy of Meguiars Hyper Dressing, even down to the color.

However when it comes to price + tax & shipping you’re looking at a total $119.00 per gallon of RTU water based dressing, whereas if you just buy the original Hyper Dressing you can get a gallon shipped for a total of $55 dollars, less than half the price and on top of that it’s dilutible up to 4:1

On the other hand if you choose to buy a 32oz. RTU bottle of it from OG it costs a whopping $45 + tax + shipping which is $22 bucks!

I can’t believe they charge people that much and somehow keep a straight face while doing it. Smh.

I don’t want to hear any excuses, that’s a flat out rip off.
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Not defending the price, it's certainly not a value proposition, but you know that they are not the same product, right? Hyper Dressing is obviously made by Meguiar's, in turn owned by 3M. OG TD is made by B&B Blending and has Si02 in the formula, the color is coincidental and done by B&B not OG. If it were a rip off, why does he also carry Hyper Dressing?
 
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