PB White Diamond Glaze questions...

[sportscarhiatus]

Wanted to try this product out on my Pearl White paint, since I've read some good reviews. Had a few questions to those who have used it. I plan to use it AFTER my final jewelling step of PO85RD with a gray or blue LC pad.

What LC pad should I use with my PC/Flex to apply White Diamond (WD)? Since I used blue already with the 85RD, would seem foolish to go to a gray pad that has a very slight cut over the blue pad. So I was hoping that using the blue pad with the glaze shoud work??? But maybe it won't break down using a blue pad???

What speed is recommended with the PC or Flex? Worked in until it hazes up? or till it disappears and actual glosses up?

Anyone else use this product? How do you like it? Any other tips as to application?

 

[Pockets@PoorboysWorld]

Use your softest pad and work it in on a low speed 1 or 2 with a couple slow overlapping passes you will see it gloss up and disappear. Than buff right off and enjoy!

Make sure you top it with some protection as well

 

[aznwhip]

I use 5.5 blue flat pad for when I use PB White Diamond on speed 3 on PC. Works out well.

 

[sportscarhiatus]

Use your softest pad and work it in on a low speed 1 or 2 with a couple slow overlapping passes you will see it gloss up and disappear. Than buff right off and enjoy!

Make sure you top it with some protection as well

Thanks Pockets... I will plan on using an LC CCS Blue Pad, on setting 2, then go on a 2 x 2 section. As far as LSP's, are there certain ones that White Diamond doesn't play nicely to? I was planning to use either Sig Series II or Supernatural.

 

[sal329]

Let us know how you like it and if it adds anything after jeweling. I am looking at white diamond or black hole. Both of your choice of waxes are great on white, SN will last longer

 

[BobbyG]

Use your softest pad and work it in on a low speed 1 or 2 with a couple slow overlapping passes you will see it gloss up and disappear. Than buff right off and enjoy!

Make sure you top it with some protection as well

I was wondering this myself!

Great information!! rops:

 

[Rob T]

I don't know anything about this product. Is it specifically designed for white paint?

 

[Da Fats]

it is ment for white silver gold..... anything metallic.... any color you want to brighten. I use this and pb black hole on friends cars a lot to amp em up a little when correction is not an option. Black hole for anything you want to darken.... blues greens black reds yellows.... I use white diamond on metallic and light colors. I like it a lot ant since its acrylic it plays nice with almost everything out there. Just avoid cleaner products after it.

P.S. please let us know if it improves after ur jeweling step

 

[TornadoRed]

I plan to use it AFTER my final jewelling step of PO85RD with a gray or blue LC pad.

I new to detailing, so please forgive me for asking...

I'm interested in using Black Hole, so I've been looking for tips, but this has me puzzled. I thought White Diamond Glaze was for paint with imperfections. So what purpose would using this have after removing the imperfections? Or am I not understanding what jeweling is?

Thanks.

 

[Dr Oldz]

If you used 85rd is PBWD even worth the effort? I was under the assumption that PBWD is a glaze with fillers in it? Obviously if you are using 85rd you did all the proper polishing steps and should have no swirles to fill in????? Or are there gloss enhancing agents in the PBWD that can make the proper use of 85rd look even better???

 

[sportscarhiatus]

Let us know how you like it and if it adds anything after jeweling. I am looking at white diamond or black hole. Both of your choice of waxes are great on white, SN will last longer

I will definitely let you guys know. I too am curious if it adds any more depth or gloss after jewelling with 85rd.

I don't know anything about this product. Is it specifically designed for white paint?

What's up Rob... From my understanding, White Diamond is meant for metallic and light colored paints. It's supposed to make flakes really pop out and help brighten up paint... making it appear clearer.

it is ment for white silver gold..... anything metallic.... any color you want to brighten. I use this and pb black hole on friends cars a lot to amp em up a little when correction is not an option. Black hole for anything you want to darken.... blues greens black reds yellows.... I use white diamond on metallic and light colors. I like it a lot ant since its acrylic it plays nice with almost everything out there. Just avoid cleaner products after it.

P.S. please let us know if it improves after ur jeweling step

I did NOT know it was acrylic-based. Shows you that I need to do even more research. So, being acrylic-based, does that mean it's more compatible with more sealants and nubas??? or mainly sealants? I am really curious if someone has had experience with what LSPs do NOT play nicely with WD. (hence my question to Pockets above. Hopefully he will chime in)

I new to detailing, so please forgive me for asking...

I'm interested in using Black Hole, so I've been looking for tips, but this has me puzzled. I thought White Diamond Glaze was for paint with imperfections. So what purpose would using this have after removing the imperfections? Or am I not understanding what jeweling is?

Thanks.

If you used 85rd is PBWD even worth the effort? I was under the assumption that PBWD is a glaze with fillers in it? Obviously if you are using 85rd you did all the proper polishing steps and should have no swirles to fill in????? Or are there gloss enhancing agents in the PBWD that can make the proper use of 85rd look even better???

I am wondering this myself, hence my inquiries as to how to use it and when to use it. From the research that I have done on this forum and others, WD is supposed to amp up the gloss and help with the wetness factor. I saw a thread somewhere, that had a pic of a white hood before WD and after... It was clear that the WD after showed better/clearer reflections of items in the garage. This was supposedly done AFTER the final jeweling.

EDIT Here is the thread that I read that showed a clear difference between before and after WD on a white hood. Pay attention to the reflections, esp. those of the bikes and the flourescent light. In the after pic, all items are much clearer and crisper and more defined.

PB White Diamond Quick Upate/Pics - F150online Forums

Yes, I plan on going through the proper polishing steps to ensure a swirl-free finish as much as possible, but I was hoping to use WD for two main reasons:

1) Brighten paint further, and bring out flakes even more.... hopefully make paint appear wetter.

2) If by chance there are deeper RIDS that I don't want to cut deeper to remove, WD will help hide it...

With that, is there anyone out there who is a firm believer in WD, even after proper polishing? Or am I truly wasting my efforts???Feed back please

 

[Dr Oldz]

Maybe Pockets or Mike Phillips can shed some light on this! Personally I have never used anything besides a LSP after using 85rd! I have a feeling that they will say PBWD or BH are a great product to use when you don't wanna polish and remove any paint or clear coat and still have a swirl free finish but I'm not sure! Very interesting thread you have here, sportscarhiatus!!!!!

 

[WRAPT C5Z06]

I've never considered using a glaze after polishing. A glaze might be best suited for car shows and such. I don't want anything on my paint prior to applying the LSP. JMO.

 

[BobbyG]

Well, I have to say I have to agree with this too.

Normally after the polish I either seal or wax, or both but never considered a glaze after a fine polish...

 

[sportscarhiatus]

Interesting..... so EXPERTS... chime in please Is a glaze such as WD or BH worth it or necessary after final step in polishing? I understand that if I STILL have some deep RIDS or other imperfections that I chose NOT to remove because I would have to remove too much clear, the glaze would help hide it...I understand that aspect.

However, on RIDS-free and swirl-free paint (after final step polishing), does using a glaze STILL make a difference? does it add more gloss/depth??? I was under the impression that it does, no matter how little. To us experienced detailers, every little bit helps. And if the glaze is compatible with any LSP, then EVEN better... I should have no bonding issues.

THOUGHTS?

 

[WRAPT C5Z06]

I don't think a glaze will hide deep RIDS, but rather minor imperfections. I'm sure a glaze will help the overall look, but it's not going to be night and day. WD claims to not cause any bonding issues with LSP's, so I don't see why it should. I'm not expert, but just offering my thoughts. I say you should use it, it sure won't hurt anything, and it might even help.

 

[sportscarhiatus]

I don't think a glaze will hide deep RIDS, but rather minor imperfections. I'm sure a glaze will help the overall look, but it's not going to be night and day. WD claims to not cause any bonding issues with LSP's, so I don't see why it should. I'm not expert, but just offering my thoughts. I say you should use it, it sure won't hurt anything, and it might even help.

Thanks Mark... yeah, I'm hoping the WD or any glaze for that matter, at least makes deeper RIDS less noticeable. But I think I agree with you... probably not a night and day difference with glaze on after final step polish. But if it helps it helps... just hoping I don't waste my time in doing so, if gains are negligible...

 

[Pockets@PoorboysWorld]

Okay first things first to clear up any confusion WD is NOT acrylic based it is a water based product like our other products :xyxthumbs: That being said we have not had any incident in testing or complaints of WD not playing nice with any kind of topper

Interesting..... so EXPERTS... chime in please Is a glaze such as WD or BH worth it or necessary after final step in polishing? I understand that if I STILL have some deep RIDS or other imperfections that I chose NOT to remove because I would have to remove too much clear, the glaze would help hide it...I understand that aspect.

Necessary no, worth it? you tell us I would and do on my red f150 (i use black hole darker color) totally up to you rops: Hiding those deep swirls or RIDS fully WD is not really meant for it may lessen the appearance of them but if they are deep they will still be there. Its really for the lighter stuff after a polishing or moderate hiding on a DD (Remember: after you polish the deep swirls or RIDS they may fall into the lighter category).

However, on RIDS-free and swirl-free paint (after final step polishing), does using a glaze STILL make a difference? does it add more gloss/depth??? I was under the impression that it does, no matter how little. To us experienced detailers, every little bit helps. And if the glaze is compatible with any LSP, then EVEN better... I should have no bonding issues.

We know people that use it on their hot rod with $60,000 paint job with no swirls it just adds more of a look to it that "show car shine". So using a glaze is beneficial to add the gloss/depth or in your case make the metallic/pear pop.

THOUGHTS?

Hope that helps any more questions feel free to ask :buffing:

 

[Dr Oldz]

Pockets, will it add depth and/or gloss to a properly polished clearcoat surface or would you recommend using wd when not choosing to polish and mechanically abrade the paint to fill the swirls in?

 

[TornadoRed]

Well, sportscarhiatus, it looks like you have a review to do for us. Maybe a 50/50 test spot will be needed to show the difference. I have a hunch that those people with a trained eye that can tell the difference between Natty's Blue and Natty's Red will see added depth and gloss, but people like me may not see it. The question is will the difference be enough to be worth it? Especially since the car is white. Or maybe it will be worth it BECAUSE the car is white where depth is hard to achieve. :dunno:
Anyway, I hope you do a review for a number of reasons. 1) I'm interested in your jeweling process, 2) I'm interested in WD and BH, and 3) I'm in love with the pearl white 370Z! :drool: