Perfectly Safe Brush

The issue with Yvan is he is always selling the next best thing and makes statements that he never back up with any hard data. Take his new brush he said it deals with grit better than a microfiber, that it holds the dirt suspended in the brush and releases it into the bucket. I asked him to prove his new brush has a capillary ability to draw dirt and cleaning solution up and into the brush, funny never got a response back from him.
Maybe if he actually backed up the statements he makes with hard scientific data he would be more creditable.
 
BTW574 said:
The issue with Yvan is he is always selling the next best thing and makes statements that he never back up with any hard data. Take his new brush he said it deals with grit better than a microfiber, that it holds the dirt suspended in the brush and releases it into the bucket. I asked him to prove his new brush has a capillary ability to draw dirt and cleaning solution up and into the brush, funny never got a response back from him.
Maybe if he actually backed up the statements he makes with hard scientific data he would be more creditable.
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But he's not doing any research into that, he's parroting what the brush mfr. is telling him. And how would you test that anyway, that "capillary action"? Take a new brush, brush a dirty car with it, and take it back in the lab under a microscope, and peel back the fibers looking for dirt?

I would imagine the brush company would test it in a more practical way...wash a dirty car with it, see if it mars, see if dirt comes out of the brush when you put it back in the bucket. If the vehicle isn't marred, that means the brush isn't marring, and the dirt is being held away from the surface. If the bucket water gets dirty, that means the brush is releasing the dirt. I really don't think the brush mfr. is getting any more "scientific" than that.

And in a larger sense, I think if you are looking for "hard data", your not going to find too much of it. Optimum, where the chemist is the front man for the company, more or less, has never provided any hard data, that I can remember. The closest to that is the spoonful of dirt in the beaker of ONR, which was mostly a subjective test.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
But he's not doing any research into that, he's parroting what the brush mfr. is telling him. And how would you test that anyway, that "capillary action"? Take a new brush, brush a dirty car with it, and take it back in the lab under a microscope, and peel back the fibers looking for dirt?

I would imagine the brush company would test it in a more practical way...wash a dirty car with it, see if it mars, see if dirt comes out of the brush when you put it back in the bucket. If the vehicle isn't marred, that means the brush isn't marring, and the dirt is being held away from the surface. If the bucket water gets dirty, that means the brush is releasing the dirt. I really don't think the brush mfr. is getting any more "scientific" than that.

And in a larger sense, I think if you are looking for "hard data", your not going to find too much of it. Optimum, where the chemist is the front man for the company, more or less, has never provided any hard data, that I can remember. The closest to that is the spoonful of dirt in the beaker of ONR, which was mostly a subjective test.
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From a practical point of view, if the the brush has a capillary action, drawing the dirt deeper into the bristles, when the brush is lowered back into the bucket it would draw more water and soap up into the brush, how does it release the dirt into the water while drawing liquid in? With my wheel brush I hose it between each wheel, which releases the dirty wheel cleaner and contaminants, so if they said to spray the brush before reloading it in the bucket, or do they say to do 2 bucket method with this brush, to rub it on a grit guard in a rinse bucket before reloading it in the wash bucket. I didn't see her rinsing the brush but I may have missed it.
 
Big Dave said:
From a practical point of view, if the the brush has a capillary action, drawing the dirt deeper into the bristles, when the brush is lowered back into the bucket it would draw more water and soap up into the brush, how does it release the dirt into the water while drawing liquid in? With my wheel brush I hose it between each wheel, which releases the dirty wheel cleaner and contaminants, so if they said to spray the brush before reloading it in the bucket, or do they say to do 2 bucket method with this brush, to rub it on a grit guard in a rinse bucket before reloading it in the wash bucket. I didn't see her rinsing the brush but I may have missed it.
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Not to hard to test, put the tips of the brush into a tray of water and see if the bristles wick moisture up into the brush. If you put a 1/4" of the bristles in the tray and only 1/4" stays wet after a set time then the brush has no capillary or wicking action to draw the dirt and cleaning solution up into the brush.
Yvan also states that the brush is safer than a microfiber mitt or pad but he still recommends foam rinse foam to get rid of all the grit. If you do this how is the brush any safer than a mitt.
 
chilly said:
They still sell Montana boar's hair brushes

DIY completely ripped off the shape of this one for their new wonder brushView attachment 139167
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Wow.

I guess most everyone can agree Yvan is bad news man. He's a con man.

Not sure if i ever mentioned it here on this forum but he now wears satanic black and red clothing. Even the DIY logo looks like a serpents tail or something.

I once watch a video of him addressing an audience with this black and red outfit talking like a demi-god and when no one had no questions he chided the audience and said something like. "No questions?!, That's why i'm here" followed by that smirk.

It was some kind of "efficiency" presentation.

I don't believe in coincidences. There's a reason to why he's wearing those colors.
 
BTW574 said:
Not to hard to test, put the tips of the brush into a tray of water and see if the bristles wick moisture up into the brush. If you put a 1/4" of the bristles in the tray and only 1/4" stays wet after a set time then the brush has no capillary or wicking action to draw the dirt and cleaning solution up into the brush.
Yvan also states that the brush is safer than a microfiber mitt or pad but he still recommends foam rinse foam to get rid of all the grit. If you do this how is the brush any safer than a mitt.
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True, but one of us would have to buy one to test it. Whoever wants to volunteer, please take 1 step forward. And we all take a step back.
 
BTW574 said:
Not to hard to test, put the tips of the brush into a tray of water and see if the bristles wick moisture up into the brush. If you put a 1/4" of the bristles in the tray and only 1/4" stays wet after a set time then the brush has no capillary or wicking action to draw the dirt and cleaning solution up into the brush.
Yvan also states that the brush is safer than a microfiber mitt or pad but he still recommends foam rinse foam to get rid of all the grit. If you do this how is the brush any safer than a mitt.
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Foam rinse foam?!! Really from the rinseless and efficiency king? He's always changing the goal posts it seems.

Frankly, i detest Yvan.

He's a cancer to detailing online and as scammed ALOT of gullible kids.

One last thing :D I REALLY don't detest many people. But that guy with those stupid polishers and $400 coatings man...
 
Big Dave said:
From a practical point of view, if the the brush has a capillary action, drawing the dirt deeper into the bristles, when the brush is lowered back into the bucket it would draw more water and soap up into the brush, how does it release the dirt into the water while drawing liquid in? With my wheel brush I hose it between each wheel, which releases the dirty wheel cleaner and contaminants, so if they said to spray the brush before reloading it in the bucket, or do they say to do 2 bucket method with this brush, to rub it on a grit guard in a rinse bucket before reloading it in the wash bucket. I didn't see her rinsing the brush but I may have missed it.
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Well how does the rinse-less sponge pull in dirt and then release it in the bucket?
Yvan is the one that said the brush is designed to draws in and hold the dirt and then releases it when dunked into the bucket, no 2 buckets used. So if your wash solution is encapsulating the dirt then your brush has to be holding that dirty solution. What other property would allow a brush to hold onto the wash solution?
 
BTW574 said:
Well how does the rinse-less sponge pull in dirt and then release it in the bucket?
Yvan is the one that said the brush is designed to draws in and hold the dirt and then releases it when dunked into the bucket, no 2 buckets used. So if your wash solution is encapsulating the dirt then your brush has to be holding that dirty solution. What other property would allow a brush to hold onto the wash solution?
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Beats me, I've never used a rinseless sponge, I've looked at them online a couple of times, but the cost over here is a bit much, at least for the name brands, $50+. I'm happy with my noodle mitts for normal washes and multiple MFs for rinseless.
 
BTW574 said:
The issue with Yvan is he is always selling the next best thing and makes statements that he never back up with any hard data. Take his new brush he said it deals with grit better than a microfiber, that it holds the dirt suspended in the brush and releases it into the bucket. I asked him to prove his new brush has a capillary ability to draw dirt and cleaning solution up and into the brush, funny never got a response back from him.
Maybe if he actually backed up the statements he makes with hard scientific data he would be more creditable.
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They get far more traction from making bold statements about a product, tool or procedure than presenting logical, informative information.

Take this stupid brush for example. In no way is this an interesting or special brush, hell it doesn't even come with a handle. Had they made a short, factual video about when and where to use it, then listed it for sale and let it fly, no one would take any notice of it at all. It's just another brush in a market flooded with similar tools. However, go out there and make some silly claims, hawk it around to other "influencers" who post similar "reviews" (by the way, its not a "review" if you are sent something for free, that makes it an "advertisement"), and there you have it, people are talking about what is a fairly boring and pointless product. Bingo, clicks, likes, views, sales................................money. And guess what, this man is being paid to do this, as in paid an income for making up unsupported "facts".
 
I wish i could slap 🫱 anyone that falls for this Brush Yvan is pushing,
Or the Clean, DIY cloths 99.99% sure they come from the same factory 🏭 BUT in different colours as the Rag Comp.
 
Tasmania said:
I wish i could slap 🫱 anyone that falls for this Brush Yvan is pushing,
Or the Clean, DIY cloths 99.99% sure they come from the same factory 🏭 BUT in different colours as the Rag Comp.
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THOR all but admitted it when I made a post elsewhere that THOR got a container load of microfiber through a group buy. I received a love emoji in response. I see no harm no foul.

It just shows coordinated buying and marketing by THOR They just had a get-together that yielded a bunch of cross brand videos. Maybe DIY got the brush out of the deal.
 
Just a few interesting comments from DIY Detail that were posted recently -

1) DIY Detail products that are ordered direct from the main website in the US ship from The House of Rags warehouse.

2) Yvan said that the manufacturer of the Perfectly Safe Brush told him that he was crazy for ordering so many of them on the initial order and that they would have a year supply of them but they sold out in 3 hours.
 
Bri26 said:
Just a few interesting comments from DIY Detail that were posted recently -

2) Yvan said that the manufacturer of the Perfectly Safe Brush told him that he was crazy for ordering so many of them on the initial order and that they would have a year supply of them but they sold out in 3 hours.
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That means either there a LOT of dumb people following their dribble, or its a situation similar to when Pan launched his product line, which sold out in hours, read - we only ordered a small amount so that it would sell out quickly and appear to be more popular than it really is, creating a "fear of missing out" syndrome.

I just do not see broad reaching appeal of brush that looks like the type you dust cobwebs with, and doesn't even come with a handle, meaning it requires the customer to go the hardware store to buy one, adding more cost over and above the purchase price of the brush head.
 
I can see the brush as worthwhile for those who have really large vehicles. The mitt on the stick has been popular for quite awhile now and this product is along those lines. The Perfectly Safe Brush doesn't ship with a regular handle since it would make the shipping cost too expensive. They could do a collapsible handle but then the price of the brush would be a lot more expensive.
 
Bri26 said:
I can see the brush as worthwhile for those who have really large vehicles. The mitt on the stick has been popular for quite awhile now and this product is along those lines. The Perfectly Safe Brush doesn't ship with a regular handle since it would make the shipping cost too expensive. They could do a collapsible handle but then the price of the brush would be a lot more expensive.
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These brands are aimed at the pro-sumer / enthusiast market. With that in mind, who would dare wash their car with a brush, no matter how seemingly convenient it is? Frankly, its an insult to their customers intelligence. It's a marketing stunt pure and simple. As for the handle not being shippable, well then they are effectively selling a product not fit for purpose, without a handle its virtually useless for its intended role.
 
It's easy enough to get a broom handle at a local store, even the dollar tree sells them. Shipping even a 3 or 4 foot handle is quite expensive and takes a special size box.
 
DFB said:
And guess what, this man is being paid to do this, as in paid an income for making up unsupported "facts".
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Isn't this just how the world works today? I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying that seems to be the way it is.
 
Bri26 said:
It's easy enough to get a broom handle at a local store, even the dollar tree sells them. Shipping even a 3 or 4 foot handle is quite expensive and takes a special size box.
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Home depot has an excellent assortment, its really painting brush extensions you want to look at. A few of the longer ones, you could wash your neighbors car from your living room.
 
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