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I am new to the forums and have been compiling a list of items for renewing a couple of my vehicle finishes.

Here is what I have so far..

Rupes 21ES Bigfoot
3 each of the Rupes green, yellow, and white 7" pads
12 pack Pinnacle yellow foam applicator pads
McKee's 37 microfiber cleaner
McKee's 37 polishing pad rejuvenator
3 Supreme Micro-Chenille wash mitts
Pinnacle Ultra Poly clay
Chemguys 8 pack microfiber pads
Chemguys 12 pack 16x16 premium microfiber towels

I have not listed any polishing compounds/gloss enhancers because I already have the following in the Zaino line and because I am completely ignorant about detailing products other than Zaino.

Z-PC
Z-AIO
Z-2
Z-5
Z-6
Z-7

I have been using Zaino since 2000 so I have not had a good reason to make a switch yet. However, if there is something better out there, I am all ears. One reason I would like to try something a little different is due to the time it takes to apply and remove the Zaino.

From a polishing compound standpoint, what would you fellas recommend?

I had my mind set on the Wolfgang UBER along with the Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant but am now having second thoughts.

Any recommendations?

The cars I will be working on/correcting are a 2012 CTSV in black raven and a 2000 SS Camaro in red. Before touching either of these two cars, I will be experimenting on my dark stone 2007 F150 just in case.

Thanks,

Shawn
 
I've used the sealant - really happy with it. It's easy to use and looks great. You might want to look at the 3D products for polishing. A lot of good things being said about their polish and Adapt.
 
Thanks for the tip. I will take a look at the 3D products.

Here is a question I forgot to ask.. After applying the Wolfgang sealant, would there be any benefit in applying a high grade wax over the sealant for added depth?
 
Do the sealant and see how it looks. Wax the hood and ask yourself if it adds enough for the effort expended. It's kind of a personal thing. You don't have to wax the whole car. You can just do the gloss points (or you can do the whole thing).
 
What is your Zaino process that takes so long?

What is it that you are trying to achieve with your Rupes machine? Defect removal? What kind (scratches, light swirls, etc)?
 
Depending on your budget there are plenty of good polishing choices here. HD, McKee 37, and Meguiars should work well despite being on the "budget" end of the range. Wolfgang, Blackfire, and Menzerna also have great reputations. I've used Blackfire and Meguiars with great success.

I'd also suggest more pads for the polisher. While you'll only need one pad for putting down the LSP, I've found four to be a magic number for polishing pads. It gives me just enough to clean/swap-out while doing a vehicle without them getting too hot.
 
Desertnate said:
Depending on your budget there are plenty of good polishing choices here. HD, McKee 37, and Meguiars should work well despite being on the "budget" end of the range. Wolfgang, Blackfire, and Menzerna also have great reputations. I've used Blackfire and Meguiars with great success.

I'd also suggest more pads for the polisher. While you'll only need one pad for putting down the LSP, I've found four to be a magic number for polishing pads. It gives me just enough to clean/swap-out while doing a vehicle without them getting too hot.
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I agree with all of Desertnate's comments. Some additional polishes to consider would be the new Griots BOSS creams. Reasonably priced and work great.

Regarding Zaino, I also used their products religiously since 2001 when I bought my Corvette.

Last year I switched from multiple coats of Z5/Z2, over to the BlackFire "wet ice over fire" combo - which is the BlackFire Wet Diamond paint sealant topped by their Midnight Sun wax. All I can say is WOW it blew me away! On your black and red vehicles I'm confident that you would be blown away too!!
 
sawacs said:
Thanks for the tip. I will take a look at the 3D products.

Here is a question I forgot to ask.. After applying the Wolfgang sealant, would there be any benefit in applying a high grade wax over the sealant for added depth?
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I use Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant and I love it. It is easy to apply and remove and has great durability and beading. I used to apply Wolfgang Fuzion on top of the sealant, but I honestly didn't see much difference and it was more product, more work, and more money. To me the sealant alone is worth it and you can't go wrong with it.
 
11Silverado said:
I use Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant and I love it. It is easy to apply and remove and has great durability and beading. I used to apply Wolfgang Fuzion on top of the sealant, but I honestly didn't see much difference and it was more product, more work, and more money. To me the sealant alone is worth it and you can't go wrong with it.
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If I use the Wolfgang Uber compound, is there a reason to use the Wolfgang finishing glaze?

Thanks,

Shawn
 
sawacs said:
If I use the Wolfgang Uber compound, is there a reason to use the Wolfgang finishing glaze?

Thanks,

Shawn
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I have not used those products, but I'm pretty positive finishing glaze is a fine polish and not a glaze. Most likely yes you'll need to follow up with finishing glaze after using something more aggressive like uber compound.
 
sawacs said:
I am new to the forums and have been compiling a list of items for renewing a couple of my vehicle finishes.

Here is what I have so far..

Rupes 21ES Bigfoot
3 each of the Rupes green, yellow, and white 7" pads
12 pack Pinnacle yellow foam applicator pads
McKee's 37 microfiber cleaner
McKee's 37 polishing pad rejuvenator
3 Supreme Micro-Chenille wash mitts
Pinnacle Ultra Poly clay
Chemguys 8 pack microfiber pads
Chemguys 12 pack 16x16 premium microfiber towels

I have not listed any polishing compounds/gloss enhancers because I already have the following in the Zaino line and because I am completely ignorant about detailing products other than Zaino.

Z-PC
Z-AIO
Z-2
Z-5
Z-6
Z-7

I have been using Zaino since 2000 so I have not had a good reason to make a switch yet. However, if there is something better out there, I am all ears. One reason I would like to try something a little different is due to the time it takes to apply and remove the Zaino.

From a polishing compound standpoint, what would you fellas recommend?

I had my mind set on the Wolfgang UBER along with the Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant but am now having second thoughts.

Any recommendations?

The cars I will be working on/correcting are a 2012 CTSV in black raven and a 2000 SS Camaro in red. Before touching either of these two cars, I will be experimenting on my dark stone 2007 F150 just in case.

Thanks,

Shawn
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Zaino was hard to beat back in the day, still brings a tear to my eye they stopped innovating, but the popular stuff AG sells is light years easier to apply.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
What is your Zaino process that takes so long?

What is it that you are trying to achieve with your Rupes machine? Defect removal? What kind (scratches, light swirls, etc)?
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Regarding the Zaino, I find myself using the Z-5 a large portion of the time to fight a few swirl marks etc. I also have to use a significant amount of pressure to remove the Z-5. Regardless of how good Zaino is, I find myself looking for alternatives, that are faster and better, simply because that is the nature of the beast and remember.... the grass is always greener on the other side.:D

With the Rupes, the goal is to correct the clear coat from four years of improper washing techniques which involve swirl marks along with a few scratches.

I am hopeful that upon completion of the F150 along with the Camaro, I will have the technique down along with the knowledge to make an informed decision on how to tackle the CTSV clearcoat.

Cheers,

Shawn
 
Do you use Z-FX? I always found that made the Z products spread easier, and thin is in, thin application makes for easier removal of any product. That being said I only used the old Z-5, not the Z-5 Pro, and I always found that easier to work with than Z-2 Pro. I also never found the old Z-5 to be noticeably better at hiding swirls than Z-2 Pro.

As far as faster, better and easier, how about Z-CS or one of the many WOWA's available here, like Wolfgang Deep Gloss Liquid Seal, Blackfire Crystal Seal, Opti-Seal, or Ultima Paint Guard Plus?

The Z-PC was always a very nice light polish, but it doesn't have too much cut. The Wolfgang Uber followed by the Finishing Glaze is a good combo, or for lighter defects try the Total Swirl Remover by itself.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Do you use Z-FX? I always found that made the Z products spread easier, and thin is in, thin application makes for easier removal of any product. That being said I only used the old Z-5, not the Z-5 Pro, and I always found that easier to work with than Z-2 Pro. I also never found the old Z-5 to be noticeably better at hiding swirls than Z-2 Pro.

As far as faster, better and easier, how about Z-CS or one of the many WOWA's available here, like Wolfgang Deep Gloss Liquid Seal, Blackfire Crystal Seal, Opti-Seal, or Ultima Paint Guard Plus?

The Z-PC was always a very nice light polish, but it doesn't have too much cut. The Wolfgang Uber followed by the Finishing Glaze is a good combo, or for lighter defects try the Total Swirl Remover by itself.
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Setec, I noticed the astronomy in your name.. Does Teeter telescopes ring a bell? I had him build a 12.5" F/6 with a Zambuto mirror.. Good stuff!

Onto the detailing discussion.. I am currently using the pro version in both the Z-2 and the Z-5 which could explain the added difficulty in removal. Currently I am heehawing between the Wolfgang and Rupes polishing compounds. I think that whichever way I go, everything will work out fine. The Wolfgang Deep Gloss Seal is definitely towards the top of the list.

Thanks,

Shawn
 
sawacs said:
Setec, I noticed the astronomy in your name.. Does Teeter telescopes ring a bell? I had him build a 12.5" F/6 with a Zambuto mirror.. Good stuff!
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Nope, the only telescope I know anything about is the Hubble. Screen name is a movie reference.
 
WRAPT C5Z06 said:
Griots BOSS creams.
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Thanks for the information. One thing I have learned rather quickly is the crazy amount of different brands/products to choose from. In fact, I can barely put one foot in front of the other because my two brain cells are completely occupied with choosing the correct products!:argue:

Thanks,

Shawn
 
Are you getting the Rupes MARKll? Or the older version 21?
 
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