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neogenesis

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I've recently been turned on to No Rinse/waterless car washes, especially for use in winter. I hear everyone rave about ONR both here and other places as well. I'm a little confused about the dilution though. According to the directions, for a rinseless car was, it suggests 1oz in 2 gallons of water. But for use as a quick detailer, it recommends 8oz on 1 gallon. That just seems counterintuitive to me. Wouldn't you want a higher concentration of lubrication when using it to wash the car vs using it as a quick detailer to remove light dust? Thoughts?
 
No because when you wash rinselessly, you're using a lot of liquid on the surface so you're providing a lot of lubrication from all the extra water versus a quick detailer, you're using a lot less liquid. The amount of liquid your towel has on it is why there are different dilution ratios. You use too high dilution for rinseless, you get streaky because of all the liquids that's coming on the surface. But a quick detailer, you spray, wipe, and then buff so it's not as much of an issue.
 
When doing a rinse less wash, you are using 2 gallons of wetting solution to lubricate the surface. When doing a qd, you are using anywhere from 8-16oz depending how dirty the surface. You need more lubrication when QDing than when rinse less washing, therefore the increase in product dilution.
 

As you can see from 3:20 on, the towel is very much loaded with liquid vs light layer of mist from a sprayer - which would required more product for lubricity.
 
But ONR leaves all kinds of residue at 1:256, wouldn't it leave 16 times as much residue at 1:16? Maybe I have my math backwards.
 
It's also different function. You're drying ONR at rinseless but at QD, you're buffing it off anyway. ONR once you dry, I don't find it streaks at all.
 
Cruzscarwash said:
That's also dependant on environment condition, when I use it outside it acts different then a temp controlled garage
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So...are you telling the OP that in answer to his question on what ratio to mix ONR for QD use, it would vary as to whether he was using it inside or outside?

Does he need 3 different dilutions? One for inside the temperature-controlled garage, and two for outside, one for when outside is hotter than the garage, and one for when outside is colder than the garage?
 
When I started using ONR I worried about it and went to higher concentration. No harm - just using more product than necessary. It works well at recommended dilutions. It's my go-to for clay lube as well. For a dirtier car I like using it with the Big Red Sponge (BRS) - saves my MF towels.
 
Thanks for the replies guys. It makes sense on water acting as a lubricant. Given that logic, would not then carry that I could purchase my favorite QD, cut it 1:16 with water and make it into a no rinse wash??
 
Setec Astronomy said:
So...are you telling the OP that in answer to his question on what ratio to mix ONR for QD use, it would vary as to whether he was using it inside or outside?

Does he need 3 different dilutions? One for inside the temperature-controlled garage, and two for outside, one for when outside is hotter than the garage, and one for when outside is colder than the garage?
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I'm simply stating bases of your comment that the environment does play a part as it does with almost all products, the ratios I use my products are 90% of the time different then what is on the bottle due to my conditions and where I use them. Since the majority of my work is done outside and normally in direct sunlight light in over 100° weather my products are mixed to work properly in such conditions. I do keep one or two spare bottles Incase things change like temperature or I end up inside.

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neogenesis said:
Thanks for the replies guys. It makes sense on water acting as a lubricant. Given that logic, would not then carry that I could purchase my favorite QD, cut it 1:16 with water and make it into a no rinse wash??
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What's your favorite QD?

I've played around with that idea a while back. D155 Last Touch and CG's Extreme Slick Synthetic Detailer surprisingly turned out well.

It's nice to know that you could get away with it in a pinch, but with attractive price point and flexibility of ONR and others, there's really no solid reason to look pass them.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
But ONR leaves all kinds of residue at 1:256, wouldn't it leave 16 times as much residue at 1:16? Maybe I have my math backwards.
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Interesting, lately I've noticed some streaking when using ONR as RW (1:256) outside even though I do a panel at a time.

Lately I have to follow up with a second drying towel and if the paint is hot I have to spray a little more ONR to remove the streaks.

I thought it was my towels since I use Opti-Seal sometimes as a drying aid and thought my towels are becoming hydrophobic, which is probably the case also.

It appears others are having streaking or residue problems with ONR.
 
neogenesis said:
Thanks for the replies guys. It makes sense on water acting as a lubricant. Given that logic, would not then carry that I could purchase my favorite QD, cut it 1:16 with water and make it into a no rinse wash??
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For that matter, you could get your wash soap, mix it accordingly and then cut it 1:16 or even more and use it as a rinse less wash.

Just use ONR as directed, it's not rocket science.
 
Rsurfer said:
For that matter, you could get your wash soap, mix it accordingly and then cut it 1:16 or even more and use it as a rinse less wash.

Just use ONR as directed, it's not rocket science.
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Thought about that, but my understanding is the chemical process of wash soap is different than rinselss. Wash soap is a traditional emulsification agent where rindless supposedly is more of an encapsulation. Or am I missing the boat? And agreed, the ONR instructions seem straight forward. I'm just trying to see how much of these products is actually science vs marketing.
 
If you want to dig at car soap angle, this is where I think products like D114 (defunct) and newly introduced N-914 comes into play.

Probably the 5th time I'm saying this - it's basically paint-safe APC.

In this case - wash soap power without rinsing.
 
neogenesis said:
Given that logic, would not then carry that I could purchase my favorite QD, cut it 1:16 with water and make it into a no rinse wash??
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I've read this about 5 times and still can't figure out what you're trying to say.


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