Quik question about Mckee's Paint Coating

Essence is never going on my paint again, I'm so done with that product. Used it maybe a dozen times and not once have I been impressed with the results.
It's either going to be M205 or Griots Perfecting Cream, followed by the DP Coating Prep Polish.


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I have to say though, I am surprised by the results of your hood though. I would've expected the coated side to do a lot more sheeting and beading.
 
Absolutely, I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm definitely not against a prep wipe anytime a coating is used. In fact I'd say do two prep wipes just to make sure. I'm just suggesting essence be treated like a mini coating in the sense where let it cure before you put another coating on.

Yeah I read the same thing about Corey saying to wait an hour prior to applying a coating. I will have some soon to play around with it.


Essence is never going on my paint again, I'm so done with that product. Used it maybe a dozen times and not once have I been impressed with the results.
It's either going to be M205 or Griots Perfecting Cream, followed by the DP Coating Prep Polish.


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How do you like perfecting cream compared to M205?
 
How do you like perfecting cream compared to M205?

I've only used it about 3 times so far. It works just as you'd expect a finishing polish to work as far as removing light swirls, it beats M205 in the scent department by a mile, but I haven't seen any gloss enhancement or darkening of the paint in the my limited time with it. So far M205 far exceeds it in my book. But Im still willing to give Perfecting Cream plenty more opportunities. With M205 I always get consistent results. Combination of gloss + ease of removal puts it at the top of my list as far as polishes go.


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Essence is never going on my paint again, I'm so done with that product. Used it maybe a dozen times and not once have I been impressed with the results.
It's either going to be M205 or Griots Perfecting Cream, followed by the DP Coating Prep Polish.

Must be something with your clear coat / make and year of car.

I've been using Essence on my customer cars and had wonderful results. My car has it as the base and McKee's Coating over top and it's been great as well.
 
IPA or a paint prep spray will not remove the sio2 fillers in essence. Corey from carpro tested it out when he first used essence to see. After you use essence, whatever is on there is on there until you use an abrasive to get it off.
Essence is marketed as having the ability to fill, while also using abrasives to remove defects, and SiO2 to provide a layer of protection. Essence is listed as having a durability up to 1 year, therefore saying "whatever is on there is on there until you use an abrasive to get it off" does not seem accurate. Even if the product was filling, I can't imagine them being so permanent that you have to polish them away.

I just mentioned in another thread that I have tried wiping Essence with IPA immediately after polishing a section, and there were no changes in finish. I have a hard time believing that any sort of filler would be set so quickly. I'm not convinced Essence fills as much as people assume it does when used with a DA machine and polishing pad... it does have the same abrasive technology found in reflect which, if you have used it, is no slouch when it comes to polishing.

Not trying to create conflict, just trying to determine the facts... how would you try to determine if you're polishing or filling. Thoughts?


Essence is never going on my paint again, I'm so done with that product. Used it maybe a dozen times and not once have I been impressed with the results.
I find this hard to understand... as a professional, I get to "play" with cars of all different makes and models. Since essence came out in late 2015, it has been one of our most used finishing polishes, and I have personally done extensive testing on my own vehicles with coatings from CarPro, 22ple, and GTechniq on top of Essence and have not had a single issue with any of them. As a polish, Essence can produce an exceptionally clear and glossy finish on most vehicles (there are always a few exceptions of course... no product is perfect).

Have you only used it on your own car? Have you altered your technique, pad, etc? I'd be curious to know your specific process that is not producing favorable results.
 
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Thanks for sharing your experiences. I used Mckees 37 paint coating last weekend after a decon and polish. I guess I got rid of 85-90% of defects and swirls. Then I used the coating. I plan on washing and using Essence PLUS now to see if it completes the filling of the defects. Can you offer any advice?
 
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Thanks for sharing your experiences. I used Mckees 37 paint coating last weekend after a decon and polish. I guess I got rid of 85-90% of defects and swirls. Then I used the coating. I plan on washing and using Essence PLUS now to see if it completes the filling of the defects. Can you offer any advice?

I havent done any testing with Essence Plus yet... have a bottle on the shelf, but no good candidates to test with just yet.
 
I'm not convinced Essence fills as much as people assume it does when used with a DA machine and polishing pad... it does have the same abrasive technology found in reflect which, if you have used it, is no slouch when it comes to polishing.

Not trying to create conflict, just trying to determine the facts... how would you try to determine if you're polishing or filling. Thoughts?

This exactly.^ This is the 1st and foremost reason I dislike Essence. It "claims" to fill, and IMO a true glaze like filler that lasts a whole year would make it pretty nice... But on the back label it states to up your pad selection for "heavier cut"

That's the part I don't like. Is it filling? Or cutting? Because if it's cutting [and it sure as heck feels like it's cutting, after all how couldn't it be] then why the heck am I even wasting my time with it? It's not as user friendly as far as working time compared to a good finishing polish such as M205 which can be worked both long or short without issue.. It doesn't wipe off as easily as easily as M205 either, because once you cross that fine line it becomes a pita to completely wipe off the panel [that elmers glue like haze for lack of a better word]

And then there's the final result. Maybe I'm the only 1, but I have yet to see the stuff provide even an ounce more gloss than anything else that's available. IME, once it proves to not show any sort of difference in gloss [which is every single time] I simply change my pad and go back to M205, because it requires no finicky technique to work + actually provides a noticeable difference in added depth and gloss.

I've even checked out the youtube vids where dudes are polishing jet black paint with Essence and even in those vids there's no visual change, no darkening, please can someone show me where this supposed gloss is at? Because I do not see it at all.

I will admit that I tend to sort of overthink my technique while using Essence, part of the reason is because I initially watched JoeNextLevelDetail's vid where he literally goes for over 2 whole min. polishing a small section and that somewhat doomed my learning of what the proper technique really outta be with the stuff... All I know is when I 1st tried to polish it for even half that amount of time it hazed like crazy and became near impossible to wipe off. Pita.

Then I followed the actual directions and went to a short buffing cycle, but it just doesn't do that great of a job of filling anything. It sure doesn't do anywhere near the job if you attempt to use it on any paint beyond extremely light swirls and if you try to correct faded paint with it, forgetaboutit. You quikly find out this aint no where near a compound, it's a total waste of time, even using a 21mm Boss.

It's proved to be inadequate in those exact scenarios for me and every time just winds up getting in the way instead of actually doing the job like for example, M205 does... M205 on the other hand, now you talk about versatile. [polish, cut, remove claybar haze, etc. it can actually behave like a compound if you need it to, unlike Essence which has a very low max limit to what it can do, if it's even doing it. [because no one knows for sure if it's cutting or filling]!

Those are my reasons. At this point I may demote it to metal polish instead of just chucking it in the trash. Lol.



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Have you only used it on your own car? Have you altered your technique, pad, etc? I'd be curious to know your specific process that is not producing favorable results.

Carpro Gloss Pads: This combo is very underwhelming, especially considering how the description and the bottle makes it out to be a match made in heaven... In reality, this combo usually proves to be extremely underpowered and provides no hint of elite finishing ability whatsoever. That's the truth.

LC HD Orbitals: Tried using it with the orange pad several times, again nothing noticeable like I was expecting as far as gloss factor, darkening, etc.
LC HD Blue Pad: When I needed Essence to step it up and bring back some moderately faded factory paint on a 2004 Toyota Tacoma I tried this combo, but the Essence is simply underpowered and became a waste of time. I ended up switching to Griots Correcting Cream and voila, fully brought it back and lsp ready to boot.

I've only tried it with microfiber pads once, on my own emerald green paint. I didn't need it to correct any swirls, but I was hoping to finally reveal this mythical "gloss" that everyone talks about... Absolutely no visual change. Reload = change. Most good sealants = darkening of the paint, added gloss. Essence? I'm still wondering what the hype's all about...

Btw, I do not like the idea of having to use Essence with a microfiber pad, because there's no way on earth I can believe it's filling if I'm using it like that... And if it's just cutting [like we all know it is] Then I'll just cut to the chase and use something like D300 which is a pleasure to work with and always finishes great.



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I havent done any testing with Essence Plus yet... have a bottle on the shelf, but no good candidates to test with just yet.

Thanks Z. I appreciate the follow up. If you do, please post your thoughts;
 
Gotcha. You'll like it. I usually do two coats to insure full coverage.

It's been holding up extremely well on my wife's van.

Here it is after a week of driving in the rain and fall muck as it sat in our driveway being rained on. Snapped these before I left the other day. Not bad for a dirty car.






How much time between coats? Or do you not do 2 coats anymore?
 
How much time between coats? Or do you not do 2 coats anymore?

Sorry for the broken links. I moved away from Photobucket the day they started charging, etc.

Here's a link to my wife's van that was always coated with McKee's. It was on there for nearly 2 years. Prior to selling it, the driver side and hood were re-done with v2 but I never finished it so it's now a half/half vehicle and still holding up well as my brother in law now owns it :)

I have moved away from Mckee's a bit in terms of frequency of use only because I sell 4 different coating packages and I use it as my entry level and either I'm a good sales guy or customers understand the benefits of other coatings and I've been selling mostly Cquartz with the Gliss Topper or Gyeon's Syncro kit which continues to dominate my work. It's insanely hydrophobic and glossy. That said, I do apply 2 coats several hour apart even with McKee's for a couple reasons that others my have opinions on. 1. I do see a visible "depth" increase with their coating and others with multiple coats. 2. Yes, it does also ensure I've not missed any spots, which is rare as I'm OCD about applying coatings.

The above and previously mentioned techniques have done me right. For some eye-candy, here are a few shots of my previously owned Audi when it had 2 layers of McKee's and of my wife's van with the v2 side showing. As you can see, they both came out outstandingly well.

Regards,


2007 Entourage with nearly 120k miles on it:

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2014 Audi S4 with less than 30k miles and wearing 2 layers of McKee's v2:


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