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Excellent write up Mike! I plan on picking up a bottle.
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Review: 3D ONE Hybrid Cutting Compound and Finishing Polish
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TTQ B4U
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according to Mike, DAT.
WRAPT C5Z06
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LOL....3D is 10 miles away, AG is 3,000 miles away!
Have a great day, Jim! You're an awesome guy.
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Good question. It's been a while since I used the UHS System, which is the product and specific pad for RUPES tools. I'm pretty sure in my RUPES how-to book I talked about how the very aggressive UHS pad can when first starting out cause pad haze if not properly primed but the pad haze can be removed by the same pad once it has broken in a little.
Here's the last time I used it - it was for a Wednesday night class and of course I documented all the before, during and after pictures.
(Does any other person in this industry that calls themselves an "Instructor" to this?)
RUPES EASY GLOSS System - EXTREME MAKEOVER - 2006 Toyota Tundra - YEARS of neglect!
BEFORE
AFTER
How it was done --> RUPES EASY GLOSS SYSTEM
I'd say it will do what you want, that is it will work as a compound or a polish depending upon the pad you use and the VERY uncontrolled factor,
--> the car paint
Car paint is either hard, soft or somewhere in-between.
Softer paints are harder to finish down perfect with foam cutting pads but because they are soft the are also easier to correct thus you can use a less aggressive pad with a product like this.
Harder paints are easier to finish down to perfection with more aggressive pads simply because the paint is less prone to scratch easily, thus a product like this can be used with a range of pads depending upon the depth of the defects to be removed.
Medium paints will tend to correct and finish down using a "polishing" pad with just one application.
The depth of the defects in the paint is a key factor combined with a person's expectations for level of finish results.
Good questions...
Hard
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So just to answer the above questions and hopefully clear up any confusion, what I posted was the info provided by the manufacturer.... here's what posted as I quote myself... note the portion in bold red text
From 3D
3D ONE is a new hybrid cutting compound and finishing polish in ONE product that accelerates paint correction performance.
3D ONE has specially engineered Nano Ceramic Alumina Abrasives that easily corrects or removes paint scratches, using a DA or high-speed rotary polisher.
3D ONE is a unique product; apply on a cutting pad to remove heavy scratches and then apply on a finishing pad to deliver an exceptional high gloss finish. <-- TWO STEPS --> using TWO PADS
3D ONE's aggressive paint correction - cutting power will come out when used with a a stiffer cutting pad. The high performance polishing ability will be reveled with a softer polishing or finishing pad.
It’s easy to use, and a little product goes a long way. It's easy to clean up and leaves the perfect finish every time. Works best when applied in shaded areas, but is also sun friendly.
Directions:
To remove scratches; shake well and apply 4 to 5 dime size drops on your choice of 3D wool or Spider-Cut foam pad and buff a 2’ X 2’ area at a time, with slow back and forth overlapping motions.
Once the scratches are removed, apply 4 to 5 dime size drops of 3D ONE on a 3D Spider-Cut finishing pad. Polish with the same overlapping motions, keeping the pad flat to the surface.
When the holograms and swirl marks are removed, wipe off residue with a clean microfiber towel to reveal TRUE 3D PAINT PERFECTION.
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End of 3D info
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This new compound/polish is basically a one liquid system - you adjust cut and finish by adjust pad choice.
I never stated it was SMAT or DAT - I shared what 3D says and what they say is,
3D ONE has specially engineered Nano Ceramic Alumina Abrasives
From what I've read in other posts, 3D has gone on to say that this specially engineered Nano Ceramic Alumina Abrasives are non-diminishing.
I'm more like Jim aka Dr. Olds - I stopped caring what's in the bottle a long time ago and instead focus on the performance of the product or in other words the results and I shared those in post #3
Has anyone found another review anywhere showing before, during and after results?
The buff out was the real-deal - I don't do mock-up.
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I just ordered 3D ONE. I have my brothers 2015 Black Acura TLX that I'm correcting. Paint is on the softer side. I have been able to finish perfect with a Rupes Yellow Pad, S20 Black and Sonax Perfect Finish. I curious to see how ONE finishes with the same tool and pad. It's supposed to have more cut than S20 Black and PF, so if it finishes just as good, that would be awesome!!! My gut tells me if it has really heavy cut, it probably won't finish down with no haze on soft black paint. If it does, LOOK OUT!!
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Also.... just to share with everyone that will find this thread into the future....
Videos in this thread,
Brand new 3D Compound/Polish - To be introduced at the Roadshow Class at 3D!
And the first class in the U.S.A. to get to use this product before it became available to the public.... one of the benefits to going to an Autogeek Roadshow Class is sometimes you get to use a new product, pad or tool before anyone else...
Pictures from Autogeek Roadshow Class at 3D in Santa Clarita, California 2018
Videos in this thread,
Brand new 3D Compound/Polish - To be introduced at the Roadshow Class at 3D!
And the first class in the U.S.A. to get to use this product before it became available to the public.... one of the benefits to going to an Autogeek Roadshow Class is sometimes you get to use a new product, pad or tool before anyone else...
Pictures from Autogeek Roadshow Class at 3D in Santa Clarita, California 2018
Belo
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stupid question maybe, but did i understand that you need to use 2 different pads? A cutting pad for correction, then a polishing pad to polish? Doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of 1 step? What LC pads for my pc would be recommended to be used for this? Orange, white, neither?
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I didn't mean to misquote and note YOU said it was diminishing. I took what I said from what I read within the description of the product at the AutoGeek Store and in my mind I associate (wrongly perhaps) what is written up there with you as you are to me the face of AutoGeek. I don't like the way this sounds so please take no accusations or ill-intent with my words here. Mistakes happen and I'm sure there's no malice within them but I'm still looking for full clarification as to what type of abrasives are in the product.
Here's what I based my point and honestly, my purchase of the product on. It clearly notes "3D One contains diminishing abrasives that will correct more serious damage before breaking down and removing the minor marring caused with the major correction. " Now I'm torn, but the end result will be if the product does what I'm looking for.
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I was sort of thinking the same thing. I'd like to be able to use one product with one pad and be done.
As Mike mentioned if the paint is hard one pad will cut and finish. If the paint is soft a polishing pad will one step again to cut and finish.
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This makes it a ONE LIQIUD product.
And "yes" it can be a ONE STEP product but it depends on the paint and your expectations. On most paints, you could use a cutting pad or polishing pad and do one correction/polishing step and the seal the paint.
The way you find out is call doing a..................... TEST SPOT.
And the way you know if you want to do more than one step is what you expectations are for the end results.
Completely understand where you're coming from, I didn't take what you wrote to mean anything, I just wanted to clear up that I personally never said the product used DAT or SMAT, I merely shared what the manufacture stated.
I also don't always read what our staff writes that creates and maintains our websites, just not enough time in the day. Being accurate is very important but if our staff has it wrong on the website we will find out and correct it. This would also be an honest and simple mistake, nothing would be done with wrongful intent.
As a veteran of the Zaino vs NXT Wax Wars - I pick and choose each and every word I type specifically and intentionally - I rarely make a word mistake. Mostly because I know there are a handful of people that are always gunning for me so I do what I can to never give them ammunition. :cheers:
None taken now, nor none previously.
It's a little after 1:00pm Eastern Time and my first day back in the office after travelling back from the Roadshow Class at RUPES in Colorado and so far all I've done is play catch-up on the forum and in e-mail. I have tons of other things that MUST be done for multiple upcoming projects. BUT I will call Don and possibly Tunch to get the skinny on the abrasive particles.
I do remember that Tunch said that because these are CERAMIC abrasive particles they don't create heat like other forms of abrasive technology. That's a game changer in our world.
After I hit the [Post Reply] button I'll make the call and get back to you as is the norm for Autogeek, customer care is number one and while most people think customer care is something that takes place when you call or e-mail our customer care staff it's also something taking place pretty much anytime I type on this forum.
You can, but you need to do a test spot first and then inspect the results and go from there.
Here's the deal guys and I wrote this previously,
PAINT is an unknown variable. The paint on a 2015 Honda can be different than the paint on a 2016 Honda. The paint on a 2018 Honda can be different than the paint on a 2017 Ford F150.
The chemist that make all the really cool products we use cannot control this unknown variable. This is where you come into the equation and after learning the art and craft of polishing paint - you know (or should know) to do a Test Spot and then inspect the results and go from there.
If your test spot looks great by doing a single step then do a single step. If the results from your test spots shows deeper defects still remain - IF THE CAR IS A DAILY DRIVER you may be wise to learn to live with them instead of working them 100% out because the factory paint on a new car is THINNER than a Post-it Note.
Of maybe by doing another test and changing to a more aggressive buffing pad you may find you can remove 99.9% of the defects and still leave a customer pleasing finish in ONE STEP.
But you won't know anything until you do some testing or as I say, until you do a Test Spot.
Make sense?
Now I'll make the phone call.
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***Update***
I just spoke with Don Williams at 3D and he CONFIRMED that ALL the abrasive technology used in ALL 3D products is NON-diminishing.
I asked in Tunch was around and he said, 'no he's travelling today, but he will be in the office tomorrow'
So even though I completely trust Don't confirmation, I will call Tunch tomorrow because I LOVE talking to the chemist who make the product and I personally have a LOT of time into not only detailing the old 2-door Ford in this write-up but in typing out in-depth replies to do my best to provide top notch customer care or customer service on this forum.
I will now contact our webmaster and let them know to make the change to the copy for the store page to make sure it's accurate.
I will also apologize ahead of time for the wording mistake. I'm confident it was not intentional.
Anyone that feels they make a purchase they now regret can contact our sales customer care staff and cite this thread, this post and I'm also 100% confident that as is the norm for Autogeek, we will provide the best in customer care and make things right with you.
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I just spoke with Don Williams at 3D and he CONFIRMED that ALL the abrasive technology used in ALL 3D products is NON-diminishing.
I asked in Tunch was around and he said, 'no he's travelling today, but he will be in the office tomorrow'
So even though I completely trust Don't confirmation, I will call Tunch tomorrow because I LOVE talking to the chemist who make the product and I personally have a LOT of time into not only detailing the old 2-door Ford in this write-up but in typing out in-depth replies to do my best to provide top notch customer care or customer service on this forum.
I will now contact our webmaster and let them know to make the change to the copy for the store page to make sure it's accurate.
I will also apologize ahead of time for the wording mistake. I'm confident it was not intentional.
Anyone that feels they make a purchase they now regret can contact our sales customer care staff and cite this thread, this post and I'm also 100% confident that as is the norm for Autogeek, we will provide the best in customer care and make things right with you.
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well i ordered some. mostly because i was going to order some speed anyhow and see if I like that better than my current aio which is mk360. It probably wont be until next spring that I try it, but my current process involves test spots and using menzerna 400 and 3500 and yellow, orange and white pads. I guess the benefit of this product would be just changing pads and using the same liquid... which is indeed nice. Most of my family fleet is in excellent shape so I will see how this compares using a white lc pad vs 3500/white pad which has never let me down yet.
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Just did a little test spot on soft black paint. Was mainly looking for finishing ability. ONE did not finish anywhere near as good as S20 Black or Sonax Perfect Finish with a Rupes yellow pad. There was a noticeable haze under scangrip. It was very nice to work with. I didn't notice any dusting with the Rupes Yellow Pad and it wiped off very easily(big plus). I need to spend a whole lot more time with it, but on medium to hard paint, it should do quite well. Next, I'm going to test the cut versus Sonax Perfect Finish on harder paint.
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Mark, I would think if you were looking to see how it finishes, that a Rupes white pad should be used. The yellow have some cut to them. Don't forget that this polish/compound is a different breed of abrasives. If I were testing it for finishing, I would use soft foam with no cut. I think comparing it to what other polishes did with that pad is kind of an apples to oranges comparison. Not trying to bust you buddy..... but just giving my view and thought of how I would approach it.
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I'll take constructive criticism and day of the week. I was just curious how it would finish on soft BLACK paint compared to my go to combo. I'll try it with a finishing pad. Not sure I would get the same cut as PF/yellow. If that was the case, I wouldn't bother with ONE, because PF is an awesome 1-step that I've already tested on this particular paint. S20 Black and PF can cut pretty darned good too with just changing the pad. Marketing is a very powerful tool. I'm just curious how far ONE has come as far as a "game changer", if that's even the case. Simply put, I'm almost positive PF can finish better than ONE with any pad, and IFFFF it can cut nearly the same, ONE is nothing ground breaking. These are just my INITIAL thoughts.
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I'll take constructive criticism and day of the week. I was just curious how it would finish on soft BLACK paint compared to my go to combo. I'll try it with a finishing pad. Not sure I would get the same cut as PF/yellow. If that was the case, I wouldn't bother with ONE, because PF is an awesome 1-step that I've already tested on this particular paint. S20 Black and PF can cut pretty darned good too with just changing the pad. Marketing is a very powerful tool. I'm just curious how far ONE has come as far as a "game changer", if that's even the case. Simply put, I'm almost positive PF can finish better than ONE with any pad, and IFFFF it can cut nearly the same, ONE is nothing ground breaking. These are just my INITIAL thoughts.
I certainly get what your saying!
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