Review and Extreme Testing: Opti-Coat 2.0 and CQuartz

Im sorry... but what is highspots?
Like uneven coating? Like u applied too much product in 1 section/spot?
 
High spots are when Opticoat is applied and you don't spread it thin enough fast enough. If you spread it thin enough to where it disappears or can flash pretty quickly it will self level but if you leave a spot too thick for too long it will leave a rainbow colored spot that must be polished to remove it from the surface.
 
Polished to remove meaning using like a swirl remover? Or something like PO85RD? But i thought these coating are "Permanent"? So polishes can remove coating?

Sorry im just confuse im thinking of coating my DD
 
Yes, polishes most certainly remove the coatings. None of them are actually permanent because even paint is not permanent. Rocks and keys, and belts, and polishes, and polishing pads will cut through the coatings.
 
CEE DOG said:
Yes, polishes most certainly remove the coatings. None of them are actually permanent because even paint is not permanent. Rocks and keys, and belts, and polishes, and polishing pads will cut through the coatings.
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Yup couldn't have been said better myself. Pretty much, it's permanent with respect to car wax; it doesn't come off with normal wash or within x amount of months.
But a polish literally cuts away at whatever layers you have on the surface right? Just like paint, it will abrade away the "permanent" coating.
 
HellDemon said:
Yup couldn't have been said better myself. Pretty much, it's permanent with respect to car wax; it doesn't come off with normal wash or within x amount of months.
But a polish literally cuts away at whatever layers you have on the surface right? Just like paint, it will abrade away the "permanent" coating.
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Thats why i said long time ago, there is no such thing as Permanent coat!, its pure marketing... we say Cquartz is semi permanent since any chemicals cant remove it but mechanic abrasion will.
 
Sorry if I missed this in the 17 pages above, but..is there a proper temperature range in which to use Opti-coat 2.0?

Thanks.
 
Avi@CarPro said:
Thats why i said long time ago, there is no such thing as Permanent coat!, its pure marketing... we say Cquartz is semi permanent since any chemicals cant remove it but mechanic abrasion will.
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Avi,

I respectfully disagree with your comments. Opti-Coat (2.0) is a clearcoat automotive paint and does not wear off over time like a wax/sealant/nano sealant/nano coating. Therefore, when using car wash soaps, Dawn detergent, IPA, or Prepsol, there is no change in the film thickness of Opti-Coat (2.0) a year later or 5 years later. Just like automotive paint, you need to reapply Opti-Coat (2.0) only if it is removed by polishing, wet sanding, or using paint removers.

Waxes/sealants/nano sealants/nano coatings need to be reapplied since they wear off over time and at best they last a couple of years. However, as the film thickness of temporary coatings diminishes over time, so does the protection they offer. Unlike temporary coatings, once Opti-Coat (2.0) is applied to a surface, it does not wear off and the film thickness does not change over time and neither does its protection. There is no need to reapply Opti-Coat (2.0) unless it is removed intentionally by polishing, sanding, etc. Please let me know if I can be of any assistance or if you need further clarification regarding our "pure marketing".

Regards,
David
 
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David

the problem between us is your definition to the word : "Permanent" .:
dictionary definition:
permanent [ˈpɜːmənənt]
adj
1. existing or intended to exist for an indefinite period a permanent structure
2. not expected to change for an indefinite time; not temporary a permanent condition

i define it as something which is impossible to remove or change its status/ condition by anything. if its chemicals or abrasion.

if your coat can be easy swirled or scratched or wear off by washing /autocar wash etc , for me its not called permanent.
if washing opti coated car scratch or wear off slightly during time , for me it means the same.
we call our coating semi permanent since polish abrasion will remove it (exactly like opti coat) and any other chemicals/alcohol/solvents wont.
my post wasnt meant to offend you, you have very good product, i admit that. , i just like to say the truth for my products.
 
Indefinite(from previous definition for "permanent"): not clearly defined or determined: not precise or exact.

From Dictionary.com Unabridged
Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary.

OC 2.0 does not not need to be re-applied over a finite period. For example: every 6 months, every 2 years, when water stops beading. Time itself does not seem to contribute to it's degradation. To most, that would make it permanent.
The concept that it can be degraded through mechanical abrasion, so it's not "permanent" doesn't hold water IMHO. As paint, clear coat, and steel also can be removed via mechanical abrasion. So, we consider them "permanent", aware that everything has some limitations.
 
Avi@CarPro said:
David

the problem between us is your definition to the word : "Permanent" .:
dictionary definition:
permanent [ˈpɜːmənənt]
adj
1. existing or intended to exist for an indefinite period a permanent structure
2. not expected to change for an indefinite time; not temporary a permanent condition

i define it as something which is impossible to remove or change its status/ condition by anything. if its chemicals or abrasion.

if your coat can be easy swirled or scratched or wear off by washing /autocar wash etc , for me its not called permanent.
if washing opti coated car scratch or wear off slightly during time , for me it means the same.
we call our coating semi permanent since polish abrasion will remove it (exactly like opti coat) and any other chemicals/alcohol/solvents wont.
my post wasnt meant to offend you, you have very good product, i admit that. , i just like to say the truth for my products.
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Avi,


Avi,

Opti-Coat fits this definition so does automotive paint. If you measure the paint thickness of either one and remeasure it a year or five years later there is no change as long as you are doing normal maintenance washing and cleaning.

You have a great product also that is different from what we offer. If you can measure the film thickness (I am not sure if you can or not with a nano sealant/nano coating) and if there is no change over time, then you can claim that it is permanent by your definition. But if the film wears off with routine washing and cleaning and it needs to be reapplied after a couple of years (not the case with automotive paint!) then it is not "permanent". Let me know if I can be of further assistance. Thanks.

David,
 
swanicyouth said:
Indefinite(from previous definition for "permanent"): not clearly defined or determined: not precise or exact.

From Dictionary.com Unabridged
Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary.

OC 2.0 does not not need to be re-applied over a finite period. For example: every 6 months, every 2 years, when water stops beading. Time itself does not seem to contribute to it's degradation. To most, that would make it permanent.
The concept that it can be degraded through mechanical abrasion, so it's not "permanent" doesn't hold water IMHO. As paint, clear coat, and steel also can be removed via mechanical abrasion. So, we consider them "permanent", aware that everything has some limitations.
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Thank you for helping clarify the difference of temporary and permanent protection. I think some people are confusing permanent with indestructible which is one of the many acronyms! The main claim we have for Opti-Coat is that it is a clear coat and anything that can affect automotive clear coat can also affect Opti-Coat. Opti-Coat, however, has better chemical resistance, better scratch and mar resistance, and better UV resistance compared to factory clearcoats. It also has better release properties since it does not oxidize over time like most urethanes, acrylics, or other automotive paints, therefore it continues to shed dirt and bead water for years (I guess this makes Opti-Coat more permanent than automotive paints since automotive paint is changing over time through oxidation and by definition it is not permanent).

David,
 
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Heyyyy experts here, for these coatings, can u lay a wax and then coat it? To lock in the prettiness of wax? Or will the coating cant bond normally due to the slickness of wax?
 
fenderpicks said:
Heyyyy experts here, for these coatings, can u lay a wax and then coat it? To lock in the prettiness of wax? Or will the coating cant bond normally due to the slickness of wax?
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Ivan,

Unfortunately not with Opti-Coat. In order to get full bonding and protection, you have to remove waxes and oils from the surface before applying Opti-Coat. Otherwise, the durability will be compromised.

David,
 
Dr. G said:
Thank you for helping clarify the difference of temporary and permanent protection. I think some people are confusing permanent with indestructible which is one of the many acronyms! The main claim we have for Opti-Coat is that it is a clear coat and anything that can affect automotive clear coat can also affect Opti-Coat. Opti-Coat, however, has better chemical resistance, better scratch and mar resistance, and better UV resistance compared to factory clearcoats. It also has better release properties since it does not oxidize over time like most urethanes, acrylics, or other automotive paints, therefore it continues to shed dirt and bead water for years (I guess this makes Opti-Coat more permanent than automotive paints since automotive paint is changing over time through oxidation and by definition it is not permanent).

David,
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So according to your definition i can clearly say that Cquartz and Cquartz FiNEST are permanent coats which will not be removed/ oxidize/ loose properties or what ever during time .
about your product Thickness coat vs nano thickness , i would love to see a proof of exact thickness layer the OC has over paint surface.
 
Avi@CarPro said:
So according to your definition i can clearly say that Cquartz and Cquartz FiNEST are permanent coats which will not be removed/ oxidize/ loose properties or what ever during time .
about your product Thickness coat vs nano thickness , i would love to see a proof of exact thickness layer the OC has over paint surface.
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Both of you have good products. Let's see you put your money where your mouth is. Post a link to your thickness testing.
 
Avi@CarPro said:
So according to your definition i can clearly say that Cquartz and Cquartz FiNEST are permanent coats which will not be removed/ oxidize/ loose properties or what ever during time .
about your product Thickness coat vs nano thickness , i would love to see a proof of exact thickness layer the OC has over paint surface.
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Avi,

I think the discussion is really over terminology not marketing or anything else. For those of us who look at automotive paint as permanent because it does not wear off over time on its own, then Opti-Coat, should also be classified as permanent. For you and anyone that thinks of automotive paint as something that wears off over time and should be reapplied, then Opti-Coat is not permanent either. I have never tested your products and it is your prerogative to choose how to describe your products.

As far as paint thickness, we do paint draw-downs with Opti-Coat and measure the film thickness as part of our QC. I will try to post a picture tomorrow since I am not at the plant today. Based on the film thickness we get from Opti-Coat and the levels used we can measure the theoretical film thickness of the coating. The measured film thickness has been verified by us and many independent users in the field to be the same.

I also like to point out that I was only responding to your objections about our description of our product(s). Other than that, as I said before, you have a great product and it is great that consumers have different choices and it up to them to decide what works best for them.

David,
 
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