REVIEW: Pinnacle Advanced Compound on a Subaru BRZ

jarred767

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Hey guys, so it took me a little to get around to writing this up as I had to wait for a full polish job (which aren't as popular here in Seattle this time of year) sorry about the delay. So, I won a sample of the Pinnacle Advanced Compound about a little over a month or so ago (Thanks Nick :props:) and here is the corresponding review. There's a lot of pictures, so I'll try to let them do most of the talking, but still give my opinions and thoughts on the product. :xyxthumbs:

Product:

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Test Subject - Metallic Black Subaru BRZ: (after a full rinseless wash via Meguiars D114 and Decon via Nanoskin sponge)

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A little about the product. Like most of the other compounds I've used in the past, it was white and it's viscosity was quite thick:
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When I felt it between my fingers, you could feel the grit, but not as much as some other ones I've used before. The smell of the product was definitely not to my liking, smelled a lot like fuel, which I don't terribly mind, but after hours of buffing, in an enclosed garage because it was 25 degrees outside, it really started to reek. My wife even asked me if I had spilled gas when I came in at one point because she could smell it all over me. If you've used M101 in the past, they have a very similar smell. (On a side note, I'm not sure why waxes can smell so good, but compounds are the complete opposite...)

Some before shots of the car close up to see the swirls that the customer wanted removed as he was planning on putting it in some upcoming shows, so I was really hoping this product did what it was supposed to.

The hood:
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Rear quarter panel:
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Front fender:
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The rest of the car was similar, except the trunk lid looked like someone had tried to work on it with a rotary (unsuccessfully I might add):
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So I got to work and after a couple little test spots decided to go with a 5" Meguiars MF cutting disc on my Rupes21. It cut really well and the swirls didn't stand a chance. Here's a 50/50 of the hood where I started, (I had a tough time picking up the swirls in the pictures, but afterwards realized that it was because I left the overhead lights on; you can still see the results though):

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It did leave it rather hazy, but I figured I was coming back with M205 after, so it wouldn't be an issue, I tested a spot to make sure, and you can see the haze still on the left side that just has the Advanced Compound compared the to right where it's followed with M205:

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I continued on with the hood and roof using the MF disc and this stuff worked great, but started dusting like crazy! I had to re-evaluate things and decided to swap pads to an orange LC pad. I wish I would have earlier. The correcting ability was virtually the same, and it actually finished down much better with the orange pad and the dusting decreased quite a bit.

A 50/50 of the drivers door using an orange pad:
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And of the trunk lid:
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I finished the car with the Advanced Compound on an orange pad, then followed it with M205 using a finishing pad (can't remember which one, sorry). A few shots in the garage:

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I finished it with a coat of BlackFire Wet Diamond Paint Sealant and it turned out fantastic!
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Backed it out of the garage into the frigid clear air for some nice pictures to really show off what the Advanced Compound helped achieve:
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Overall, it's a great product, that is versatile in the way it can be used with different pads (and probably machines too). Just find the best thing to pair it with what you're working on and use techniques to limit dust as much as possible and you should be very happy with it, especially if you like the smell of fuel. :xyxthumbs:

Awesome product and thank you so much Nick for letting me try it out!! :props::props:
 
not a fan of the splash/mud guards, but everything else (wheels/paint correction) look terrific...
 
Impressive!

The "speckles" in the Subby paint really popped out.

Go Huskies!

Bill
 
Nice work! Came out great! Owner should be super happy with the results.
 
Great review and excellent job photographing all your hard work!

jarred767 said:
I continued on with the hood and roof using the MF disc and this stuff worked great, but started dusting like crazy! I had to re-evaluate things and decided to swap pads to an orange LC pad. I wish I would have earlier. The correcting ability was virtually the same, and it actually finished down much better with the orange pad and the dusting decreased quite a bit.

Good call trying a foam cutting pad. You'll hear us say over and over again - try the least aggressive approach first - and this is a great example.

Microfiber pads definitely serve a purpose, but they're not always needed to remove swirls and scratches. Your goal should always be to move forward - not backwards. Microfiber pads offer a ton of cut (especially on a machine like the Rupes 21), but it's not uncommon for them to create DA haze due to the design of the pad (each individual fiber acts as an abrasive that cuts into the paint). Subaru is known for having soft paint, and that doesn't help in this case either!

Pinnacle Advanced Compound was formulated, tested, and approved for use with ALL types of pads (foam, wool, microfiber) on both DA and rotary machines, but in my experience it usually performs best when used with foam pads (DA or rotary) and will surprise you with its cutting and finishing abilities.

Great job. :dblthumb2:

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Car and pictures look great. I mean really great.

But I'm curious why you started with a MF cutting pad on Subaru paint, which is pretty much known to be soft??? I wasn't surprised things went smoother with a foam pad.
 
That car looks awesome.

<< (On a side note, I'm not sure why waxes can smell so good, but compounds are the complete opposite...)
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My theory on this, and I think Mike might have mentioned this before is the reason car care manufacturers make products smell good is to make the use of them by consumers more enjoyable, therefore making them want to use them more often. For professional products, this is not necesary, results are more important. Consumer products tend to get fragrances added where professional products do not.

Meguiars is a perfect example of this because they have many products that are very similar between their professional line and consumer line. Like Ultimate Compound (which has a cinamon fragrance) and M105 which has no added fragrance.
 
Q1. curious on how well you liked or not Megs #114 as a RW?
Q2: why you chose it over ONR?
Q3: also your thoughts on Nanoskin?

Thanks!
 
Beautiful work! Car looks fantastic!
Thanks for reading and commenting!

not a fan of the splash/mud guards, but everything else (wheels/paint correction) look terrific...
Thanks, yeah, the mud guards were a little splashy, but to each his own. :xyxthumbs:

Impressive!

The "speckles" in the Subby paint really popped out.

Go Huskies!

Bill
It did really sparkle after a really nice polish

Nice work! Came out great! Owner should be super happy with the results.
Thanks for reading and commenting! The owner was more than thrilled, said that he had never seen his car look that good. :dblthumb2:

Amazing results. Nice work.


You're in good company. Wayne Carini only uses Pinnacle Compounds and polishes i his shop now.


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Thanks for commenting Mike, it was a really nice product to work with and I'm sure it would have been able to do even more than what I put it up against, I look forward to trying it out on some harder paint that is in even worse condition.

Great review and excellent job photographing all your hard work!



Good call trying a foam cutting pad. You'll hear us say over and over again - try the least aggressive approach first - and this is a great example.

Microfiber pads definitely serve a purpose, but they're not always needed to remove swirls and scratches. Your goal should always be to move forward - not backwards. Microfiber pads offer a ton of cut (especially on a machine like the Rupes 21), but it's not uncommon for them to create DA haze due to the design of the pad (each individual fiber acts as an abrasive that cuts into the paint). Subaru is known for having soft paint, and that doesn't help in this case either!

Pinnacle Advanced Compound was formulated, tested, and approved for use with ALL types of pads (foam, wool, microfiber) on both DA and rotary machines, but in my experience it usually performs best when used with foam pads (DA or rotary) and will surprise you with its cutting and finishing abilities.

Great job. :dblthumb2:

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Thanks for commenting Nick, yeah I wanted to really see what it was capable of and obviously the paint was too soft and didn't need as much as I was giving it to start. To be honest, it probably would have polished out with something much less aggressive than Advanced Compound; looking back, the MF pad was definitely too much. Definitely my bad on going with something a little too strong to start, but I gained knowledge of how much more this product could probably do.

Car and pictures look great. I mean really great.

But I'm curious why you started with a MF cutting pad on Subaru paint, which is pretty much known to be soft??? I wasn't surprised things went smoother with a foam pad.
Thanks for commenting, and yes, I agree with you, it was unwise to start with the MF cutting pad, especially considering I hadn't used the compound before, nor worked on this car before. Looking back I should have used the foam pad from the start, and I was glad I quickly switched to it. It made the product much more enjoyable to work with.

That car looks awesome.

<< (On a side note, I'm not sure why waxes can smell so good, but compounds are the complete opposite...)
>>

My theory on this, and I think Mike might have mentioned this before is the reason car care manufacturers make products smell good is to make the use of them by consumers more enjoyable, therefore making them want to use them more often. For professional products, this is not necesary, results are more important. Consumer products tend to get fragrances added where professional products do not.

Meguiars is a perfect example of this because they have many products that are very similar between their professional line and consumer line. Like Ultimate Compound (which has a cinamon fragrance) and M105 which has no added fragrance.
I guess that makes sense, but I'd rather have no smell like M105 than the gasoline smell like Advanced Compound and M101, maybe that's just personal preference though.

Q1. curious on how well you liked or not Megs #114 as a RW?
Q2: why you chose it over ONR?
Q3: also your thoughts on Nanoskin?

Thanks!
A1: I love D114 and how versatile a product it is. It works great as a rinseless wash, I use it all the time. I also dilute it down to roughly 30:1 for a clay lube, door jamb cleaning, panel wipe for compounding, and a pre-soak when RWing dirtier cars.
A2: To be honest, D114 was the first RW I used, and I loved it so much that I simply haven't gone to any other ones, its extremely versatile and very friendly on the wallet.
A3: I love the Nanoskin! It took a while for me to figure out the best way to use these products, but I get a lot of cars to practice on. I now almost exclusively use the medium grade sponges and D114 at 30:1 unless the car is in great shape or I'm not doing any polishing afterwards (then I'll use the fine grade). I usually get 10-12 cars done from each sponge and it cuts the time down dramatically, plus I've always hated folding and needing clay, especially in the cold. I would HIGHLY recommend them.:xyxthumbs:
 
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