Review: SYN 1 (SUPER CUT / SUPER FINISH)

[CEE DOG]

Review: SYN 1 - SUPER CUT / SUPER FINISH


Introduction:
This product is coming soon to the market, which means this review is going to be even more exciting to conduct then most. Thanks a bunch to Matt, Autogeek, and Poorboy’s World for providing this hefty sample for beta testing!! See " Method of Preparation, Application, and noted Observations " for the details of my experiences thus far.

Product Description (from Manufacturer):
“SYN 1 is a professional grade heavy duty abrasive. SYN 1 contains no wax or silicone. It is body shop safe and is great for detailers or perfectionists and vehicles new or old. It can safely be used on clearcoats and all paints. Use by hand or machine, in sun or shade…”

Initial Product Observations:
1.- Manufacturer Claims: The claims I tested rang true
2.- Packaging: Clear plastic squeeze bottle with flip top cap (1/8”X5/16” slot opening)
3.- Label: Functional and instructive (White w/ black lettering - 355 degree wrap)
4.- Directions: Clear and concise but not complete (just a beta tester label I do believe) Final label will be corrected.
5.- Consistency: Lotion
6.- Color: Pale pink
7.- Scent: Strawberries with a chemical undertone
8.- Size: 16 oz.
9.- Regular Price: Not yet available
10.-Sizes available: Not yet available
11.-Manufacturer: Poorboy’s World
12.-Made in: Proudly made in the U.S.A.

Ingredients posted on label of bottle:
1.-Odorless Mineral Spirits CAS# 64741-65-7 Aliphatic Hydrocarbon CAS# 64742-47-8

Additional products used for prep, during application, or removal:
1.- DP Universal Detailing Clay - $24.99 - http://www.autogeek.net/dp720.html - Review: http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/product-reviews/20889-review-dp-universal-detailing-clay.html
2.- Optimum No Rinse $15.99 - http://www.autogeek.net/optimum-no-rinse.html - Review http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/product-reviews/25616-review-optimum-no-rinse.html
3.- Flex XC 3401 VRG Dual Action Orbital Polisher - $299.99 - http://www.autogeek.net/flex-orbital-polisher.html - Review: http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/product-reviews/23276-review-flex-xc-3401-dual-action-orbital-polisher.html
4.- Lake Country Hydro-Tech 6.5 Inch Foam Pads - $11.99 or 2 for 19.99 - http://www.autogeek.net/lc-hydro-tech-foam-pads.html
5.- 3M Scotch 233+ Premium Automotive Masking Tape - $4.99 - http://www.autogeek.net/3m-scotch-tape-18.html
6.- Foam Pad Conditioning Brush $12.99 - http://www.autogeek.net/padtool.html
7.- PPE (3M respirator and eye shield)

Method of Preparation, Application, and noted Observations:
Friday I obtained a couple panels from the auto salvage yard. One of those panels was a hood from what I believe was a Geo Prizm. The story the gentleman told me about how that car got there was particularly gruesome and I'll spare you the details. Just try not drive drunk please...
I started Saturday morning by washing both panels. I brought them into my garage and clayed the Prizm hood. This hood was an absolute mess! I didn’t realize how bad it was until I had washed and was claying it. The picture you'll see of the clay was after just a few swipes. Perfect for this review I thought at the time…
After claying the hood and wiping it down I taped it into 3 sections (shaped like a T rotated 90 deg. clockwise). The bottom half would be the location of the SYN 1 review. The top half would be used with another product for perspective. The far right side would be left unpolished. When I began correcting the paint the temperature was 82 degrees and the humidity was approx. 48% in my garage. I started by placing a 6.5” cyan HT pad firmly on my Flex 3401. Then I used the finger of a latex glove to spread SYN 1 product across the face of the pad.
I placed the pad against the first section and quickly went across it one time on speed 4. Next I changed the speed to 6 and applied the Flex cruise control. Near the start of the 8th pass I noticed a little dusting and after finishing that pass I shut it down and wiped off the area to inspect. Surprisingly my pad was all black. Either they gave me a hood from a different car then what I was told, or this was a re-paint. I’m sure this should have been a clear coat. It looks like a Prizm hood… I believe it was a re-paint.
In any case upon inspecting the section I certainly noticed a difference but not on the scale I had expected. I cleaned the pad with my brush and added some more SYN 1 to it. I went over the section again and while removing some more of the scratches I still didn’t get everything out that I was expecting. At this point it seemed to me that the paint I was working on was either extremely un-cooperative or the product did not have the cut I had expected. Also I was regretting the fact that I didn’t have a more aggressive pad to switch to. After a 3rd and 4th cycle I had removed all that could be asked. I will note there was hazing as should be expected. At this point I must admit I was a little discouraged, as I didn’t expect it to take me that many cycles to remove those scratches. In hindsight I think it was a combination of a couple things. #1: Unfair expectations using foam pads with scratches that run this deep. #2: Inexperience with paint that was forged in the very bowels of hell. I moved on to the next section and continued with the same 4 cycle method until the SYN 1 side of the hood was complete (for now).
Next I moved to the other side of the hood where I would use M105 to give me something to compare to. I placed a new 6.5” cyan HT pad on my Flex and went through the same process on this side of the hood using similar method, pressure, machine speed, and number of cycles. As I had with the SYN 1 I did an IPA wipe down and inspected after each cycle. The speed of the cut with the M105 was very similar to that of the SYN 1. I’ve used M105 a few times and never seen it have any trouble carving off some paint. It has always worked faster by far then it did on this panel. As for the cutting ability of the SYN 1 my conclusion was that it does indeed have some serious cut. It cut at almost the same speed the M105 did. The 105 seemed to cut just a tick faster. The finishing ability on the other hand was just slightly better with the SYN 1.
Next it was time to reduce the hazing that had been left by both of the products. Using 6.5” tangerine HT pads both sides were polished using the applicable product on each side. After completion of this process I found that the SYN 1 finishing ability was quite comparable to the M105, with the SYN 1 having a slight edge. Again there was of course some hazing as should be expected with a heavy cut polish such as these. In regular interior lighting the hazing was no longer readily visible but under my flash it really stood out. I could go on but if you’re still reading I should probably hush up and cough up those pictures. J


1.-Wash Panels

2.-Clay Hood

3.-Before I

4.-Before II

5.-Before III

6.-Fresh Pad

7.-Pad Cleaned and more SYN 1 added

8.-SYN 1 after Cyan Pad

9.-M105 after Cyan Pad

10.-SYN 1/No Polish 50/50 I

11.-SYN 1/No Polish 50/50 II

12.-SYN 1/M105 (50/50)

13.-SYN 1/M105 (50/50)

14.-SYN 1/M105 (50/50)

15.-After SYN 1

16.-After M105

17.-SYN 1/M105 (50/50)

18.-SYN 1/M105 (50/50)

19.-After SYN 1

20.-After M105 (Note the blur at the bottom of pic) this was the tape line where no polishing took place.

21.-SYN 1/M105 (50/50)

22.-BEFORE SYN 1

23.-AFTER SYN 1

Pros:
1.- Low dusting
2.- Relatively long working time
3.- Good finishing for the level of aggression that is offered

Cons:
1.-

??? or Additional Comments
1.- I will spend some more time with this product in other scenarios and report back.
2.- What was up with that paint! L
3.- Hopefully Pockets will add some feedback about price points and available product sizes.
4.-From what I understand this product contains Non-diminishing synthetic abrasives as well as diminishing abrasives.
5.-The opening in the nozzle of the bottle produces a slightly thicker bead then I would like.

 

[rwright]

Excellent review as always Corey! rops: Maybe try another test panel, say from a later model car? :dunno:

 

[cobalt9123]

Awesome review Corey, would like to look at this stuff as an alternative to M105, depending on price, of course Im the MAN

 

[rohnramirez]

Great review, Corey! Thanks for sharing.

Will wait for your update.

 

[tuscarora dave]

Very nice and thorough review! :dblthumb2:

Thanks for all the great reviews that you do!

 

[Da Fats]

I noticed a good amount of dusting and only got 4 section passes using the PCXP when I tried this out... It seemed to dry out fast but my temperatures were closer to 90 and humidity was significantly higher.

I was left with hazing also and on my soft clear it took mulitple applications to remove the defects that I would have expected SSR 2.5 with org pad to need 2 passes to remove. But again I had an issue with the syn1 drying fast on me and if I touched the tape it threw a lot of dust compared to SSR1 2 or pro polish.

Just my observations with it. I was surprised you did not have much dusting as Pockets even made comments about the dust.

Cant wait to try it with the rotary as it was designed more for it then the DA market

Chris

 

[jpegs13]

Nice write up as always Corey

 

[Pockets@PoorboysWorld]

thanks Corey for the review ... we thank you for the thorough use and hope that not too many people need to use it on panels like that :lol
Steve will use all feedback to improve the Syn1 before it is officially released.
thanks again :dblthumb2:

 

[Meghan]

Very cool that Poorboys has let some of our members help out with this new product. Corey thanks for taking the time, very nice and informative review.

 

[CEE DOG]

Excellent review as always Corey! rops: Maybe try another test panel, say from a later model car? :dunno:

Thanks Richard! Yes, I'll have try it some more with some different cars and/or panels. I'm going to try it out on a small section of my green Saturn and also on the Lexus lid. Originally the plan was to do the Lexus lid and that hood but I spent so long on that hood I couldn't get to the lid in time.

Awesome review Corey, would like to look at this stuff as an alternative to M105, depending on price, of course Im the MAN

Thanks Jordan, I was thinking the same thing.

Great review, Corey! Thanks for sharing.

Will wait for your update.

Thank you, will do!

Very nice and thorough review! :dblthumb2:

Thanks for all the great reviews that you do!

I appreciate it! It was my pleasure

Nice write up as always Corey

Thank you John

I noticed a good amount of dusting and only got 4 section passes using the PCXP when I tried this out... It seemed to dry out fast but my temperatures were closer to 90 and humidity was significantly higher.

I was left with hazing also and on my soft clear it took mulitple applications to remove the defects that I would have expected SSR 2.5 with org pad to need 2 passes to remove. But again I had an issue with the syn1 drying fast on me and if I touched the tape it threw a lot of dust compared to SSR1 2 or pro polish.

Just my observations with it. I was surprised you did not have much dusting as Pockets even made comments about the dust.

Cant wait to try it with the rotary as it was designed more for it then the DA market

Chris

That's interesting, On the first section I did I got a little more dusting then on the rest. Neither time was there much. Odd that there was any noticeable difference.

thanks Corey for the review ... we thank you for the thorough use and hope that not too many people need to use it on panels like that :lol
Steve will use all feedback to improve the Syn1 before it is officially released.
thanks again :dblthumb2:

Thanks again for giving me the opportunity! That panel tried to put a damper on my excitement but it was a lot of fun. I'll be sure to share my thoughts as I get some more use out of it.

Very cool that Poorboys has let some of our members help out with this new product. Corey thanks for taking the time, very nice and informative review.

That's for sure.

Thank you Meghan.

 

[christian900se]

Awesome review Corey, there are some definate perks to being the "in-house" AG reviewer! I appreciate that you did note the weaknesses of the products based on your expectations because I feel that most of the people who are not happy with a product have higher expectations for the product than it maybe designed for.

What was the working time like?

 

[DARK HORSE]

Great review as always Corey...Excellent work, very in depth, and extremely informative. Thanks for taking the time to do such great review!

 

[WRAPT C5Z06]

AWESOME review, Corey!!!! :dblthumb2:

Although the cut seems to be close, it seems as tough M105 finishes with a bit less marring than SYN1??

 

[Da Fats]

Also to note... It will definitely stain your pads a pretty pepto pink color... Tried DP polish pad rejuv, XMT pad cleaner, and dawn... they all still pink haha

 

[A4 1.8tqm]

Nice review Corey, I'm really anxious to do some testing with Syn-1 too... But I live a little further from AG than you and am yet to receive my bottle. Since your review has all the product info already, I'll probably post my opinions/findings in your thread.

Also to note... It will definitely stain your pads a pretty pepto pink color... Tried DP polish pad rejuv, XMT pad cleaner, and dawn... they all still pink haha

If I find the same to be true, I would REALLY like the staining to be fixed, I would rather have an ugly color and no added scent than permanently stained pads.

 

[Dwayne]

Just a reminder to everyone as you read these reviews, keep in mind that these are reviews of a product still in Beta testing so the feedback will be used to make the finished product even better.

 

[Pockets@PoorboysWorld]

Just a reminder to everyone as you read these reviews, keep in mind that these are reviews of a product still in Beta testing so the feedback will be used to make the finished product even better.

Yup, thank you for putting that up my man rops:

We love to create new things (me and Steve cant sit still haha) and than send them out. We use all the information that we gather to improve, change, and tweak the new product so basically Syn 1 in this stage is a clay model of a car and with the great reviewers on AGO and some we sent out to our customers we will keep improving upon it :buffing:

 

[rwisejr]

Outstanding review Corey !!! Thanks for spending the time putting this together.

 

[CEE DOG]

What was the working time like?

Thank you for your comments!
To answer your question I was getting an average of probably 7 or 8 passes.

Great review as always Corey...Excellent work, very in depth, and extremely informative. Thanks for taking the time to do such great review!

Thanks so much Tad! You're very kind

AWESOME review, Corey!!!! :dblthumb2:
Although the cut seems to be close, it seems as though M105 finishes with a bit less marring than SYN1??

Thanks Mark! It was indeed quite close from what I saw here. Actually in most lighting I think the SYN 1 came out barely on top. I will verify this with my next test.

Also to note... It will definitely stain your pads a pretty pepto pink color... Tried DP polish pad rejuv, XMT pad cleaner, and dawn... they all still pink haha

I'm glad you bring that up! After each pad I sprayed it with XMT cleaner and removed it from the flex. After letting it sit a minute I placed it in a pre-setup bucket of water and DP mix. After I was all done for the day I left that to sit untill Sunday night (was gone all day sun) and cleaned them out. I wish I'd taken a picture of how much black paint was in the bottom of that bucket. Anyways back to the point. Out of I think 6 pads I only had staining on one of them. Since it was only on one of them I didn't even think about it until you brought it up here. But you are right it was a stain and that's definetly a con. I'll take some pictures later.

Nice review Corey, I'm really anxious to do some testing with Syn-1 too... But I live a little further from AG than you and am yet to receive my bottle. Since your review has all the product info already, I'll probably post my opinions/findings in your thread.

If I find the same to be true, I would REALLY like the staining to be fixed, I would rather have an ugly color and no added scent than permanently stained pads.

Thanks so much Dave! I'd be happy to have your comments here. I'm looking forward to some more experiences from others. I'm also curious to give it another go myself with some paint that doesn't hate me

Yup, thank you for putting that up my man rops:

We love to create new things (me and Steve cant sit still haha) and than send them out. We use all the information that we gather to improve, change, and tweak the new product so basically Syn 1 in this stage is a clay model of a car and with the great reviewers on AGO and some we sent out to our customers we will keep improving upon it :buffing:

I sent about 2 ounces from my bottle to another member of AG as well to get their opinions.

Outstanding review Corey !!! Thanks for spending the time putting this together.

Thank you Ron! I'm glad you enjoyed it.

 

[CEE DOG]

Pockets, one other thing I noticed. When I left the pads to sit in my DP cleaner bucket for a day and a half the smell seemed a bit worse by the time I cleaned it out then what I've noticed with past products. I should probably get a lid for that bucket anyway...