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Review: Wolfgang Füzion Carnauba Polymer Estate Wax
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akimel
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\\It comes with a cool wooden box
Oh and its $180 for 16oz not 8oz
I forgot the box.
And you are quite right about the free refill, which adds up to 16 oz. I hope AG is around in in five years to redeem my coupon.
But please don't get me wrong. I love Fuzion. But I also love Vintage ... and Souveran ... and SV Smaragd ... and Blackfire Wet Diamond ... and P21S 100% ... and Mother's Reflections ... and Harly Wax. I imagine I would also love Natty's Blue and MaxWax, too. :xyxthumbs:
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And I'm certainly not suggesting that it is. But if I'm going to justify spending $180 for an 8 oz. tub, I do need to hear sound and objective reasons for doing so.
I love Fuzion. I have used it on multiple occasions. It is a true pleasure to use. I do not want to dissuade anyone from trying it. But I am hard pressed to justify its $175 retail price. Do a blind side-by-side comparison with, say, CG 50/50 or Wolfgang Sealant and tell me that Fuzion is superior by 3x or 5x. Folks seem to be ganging up on Andrew because he cannot see a difference between Fuzion and P21S. Now maybe he cannot see the obvious; but I have also been playing around with waxes the past two years and I too am hard put to see a real difference between the major players. But I need to qualify this assertion: I do think I saw a difference on my Luthien between Zymol Vintage and everything else I have tried on her ... but maybe it was my imagination. One thing I do know: I would never spend $2,000 on a tub of wax! But of course, that's just me.
I stand by my original counsel: If you want to buy Fuzion, or any other car wax, wait until it goes on sale! :cheers:
I'm in agreement with this:xyxthumbs: In one of my earlier posts I noted that I didn't see much differrence between Fuzion and another wax either. I won't spend thousands of dollars for a wax either but I was put off by some of the comments by some that seemed to put down people who enjoy the more expensive waxes and have no issue purchasing them. As I mentioned in my earlier post there is very little difference in the look of almost any good wax on properly prepped and polished paint. I do see a bigger difference between some wax vs some sealant but I don't think that shows in pictures. I certainly wasn't ganging up on Andrew. I meant to be constructive in my hope for a review that would actually show the 2 waxes on the paint without interference of other products. :cheers:
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Ooooh! A wax war! Cool, I think.
I tried P21S once and didn't like it. I thought it was easy to apply, kinda hard to remove, and didn't add much (if anything) to the final look. Wound up giving it away. I also have Fuzion (the $175 tub), and absolutely love it! Using it makes me feel special. I also have Signature Series II and Max Wax and love them as well. Of course, my opinions of my waxes are my own, and if you don't like my wax, I don't care, because it's my wax and my car and my subjective opinion. For sealants, I have DGPS, UPP, Poli-Coat, Power Lock, Collinite 845 (call it whatever you want, to me it's a sealant), and the Klasse Twins. Do I need all my waxes and sealants? No. I could have just Collinite 845 and Max Wax and be perfectly fine. But I like to play around and try different things, so I have a variety. There are other waxes and sealants on the wax market that have piqued my curiousity, and others I have absolutely no interest in whatsoever. I just want to wax my car whenever I want to and be able to do it easily and have fun with it. Can I justify paying $175 for a wax? No. I also can't justify having 5 different 'nubas (including M16 and LNB) and 6/7 different sealants, but as long as you're using something you like and you're happy with it, that's all that matters. The hell with everyone else's opinion! Except, perhaps, for CEE DOG's, because he is the Review King.
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I tried P21S once and didn't like it. I thought it was easy to apply, kinda hard to remove, and didn't add much (if anything) to the final look. Wound up giving it away. I also have Fuzion (the $175 tub), and absolutely love it! Using it makes me feel special. I also have Signature Series II and Max Wax and love them as well. Of course, my opinions of my waxes are my own, and if you don't like my wax, I don't care, because it's my wax and my car and my subjective opinion. For sealants, I have DGPS, UPP, Poli-Coat, Power Lock, Collinite 845 (call it whatever you want, to me it's a sealant), and the Klasse Twins. Do I need all my waxes and sealants? No. I could have just Collinite 845 and Max Wax and be perfectly fine. But I like to play around and try different things, so I have a variety. There are other waxes and sealants on the wax market that have piqued my curiousity, and others I have absolutely no interest in whatsoever. I just want to wax my car whenever I want to and be able to do it easily and have fun with it. Can I justify paying $175 for a wax? No. I also can't justify having 5 different 'nubas (including M16 and LNB) and 6/7 different sealants, but as long as you're using something you like and you're happy with it, that's all that matters. The hell with everyone else's opinion! Except, perhaps, for CEE DOG's, because he is the Review King.
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Kurt_s
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Earlier this year, I struggled to justify trying Fuzion. Guys like Killerwheels, CEEDOG, and Old Tiger told me to try it. I finally bought it on BOGO for $50 for two 3oz tubs, specifically to use on my buddy's black Porsche (I use it on my cars too). He had been begging me to detail his car for months. That project paid for most of my car care expenses this year.
It's been about a month since I did the car and it hasn't been washed. His wife took the car to the beach today and stopped by on the way home, where I took this picture. She was telling me how people were admiring the car last night and she raves about the car every time I see them.
Maybe Fuzion is not worth the money but I'm sold.
It's been about a month since I did the car and it hasn't been washed. His wife took the car to the beach today and stopped by on the way home, where I took this picture. She was telling me how people were admiring the car last night and she raves about the car every time I see them.
Maybe Fuzion is not worth the money but I'm sold.
Kurt_s
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This is the 4 wheel drive, twin turbo Porsche. The thing is scary fast, lowered and stiff so you have to be careful with speed bumps.
What a fun car to detail!
Rob T
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Careful with speed bumps? That Porsche has a lift kit compared to the Lotus!
I was at a Porsche dealership this afternoon looking at a GT3! :xyxthumbs:
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What a sweet car!Earlier this year, I struggled to justify trying Fuzion. Guys like Killerwheels, CEEDOG, and Old Tiger told me to try it. I finally bought it on BOGO for $50 for two 3oz tubs, specifically to use on my buddy's black Porsche (I use it on my cars too). He had been begging me to detail his car for months. That project paid for most of my car care expenses this year.
It's been about a month since I did the car and it hasn't been washed. His wife took the car to the beach today and stopped by on the way home, where I took this picture. She was telling me how people were admiring the car last night and she raves about the car every time I see them.
Maybe Fuzion is not worth the money but I'm sold.
Oh, looks great, too!
What a sweet car!
Oh, looks great, too!
Only because he used Fuszzzzzion. ... avoiding Mod intervention for Andrew.
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toxygene
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I picked it up during the Labor Day sale when it was marked down, and then they offered free shipping and a 15% off coupon on top of that. At that price, it was a little more attractive. I doubt I would pay full price for it.
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I believe Rob T's argument still has merit. He threw those cars out there as an example but could throw many other cars or any other product out there as well. I could name cars that cost more and drive slower that people like more then cars that equal or rival them and drive faster. There are products of every category that cost more and people like more then products that cost less... and v/v. The only constant discernible reason for someone to buy one product over another is because that is the one they choose to buy. In the end it's about how it looks and makes you feel for each person. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I'm not arguing that one wax is going to look so much better then the one next to it but if someone likes "A" then they are free to purchase "A". If "A" and "B" look and feel the same to someone else then that's good for them too
Just because you believe something, doesn't mean it is so. So if the beholder believes that wax A looks better than wax B and we had some way of measuring it be untrue, doesn't make a lot of sense to believe what you believe.
My guess is that if you did full blind tests on LSPs (identical cars with good quality prep and different LSPs), 99% of the people wouldn't tell the difference. In fact, I think some guy in England did a test like that on these black cars and found there really was no discernable difference in looks.
Having said that, I think there is a difference between products in ease of application, and durability (although I'm not sure this has ever been proven). So, I think there is plenty of value in picking one product over another, I'm just not sure looks is the best criteria.
I own about 6oz of Fuzion I got in a trade from another member. I think it is a great product. Not knocking it, but like Al, I would find it hard to justify full price based on any characteristics which are important to me.
CEE DOG
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I think you must be confused with what I have said friend. Read my posts in this thread again. You're trying to argue looks with me but you're arguing with the wrong person. Like I've said a hundred times it's almost impossible to tell the difference between waxes on a properly polished and prepped car. I believe you're arguing something with me that I don't even believe. Did you read my last post? :cheers:
Edit: btw: there are subtle differences you do see between some waxes and those vary on different paints. I can go get you a picture if you're saying that waxes all look exactly the same.
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Lasthope05
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Dave KG performed that test and like you said he discovered with perfect prep work the LSP you used on top doesnt really make it stand out from another looks wise.
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If you are a fan of cooking you will see that there are alot of "similar" ingredients and you can indeed pay varying costs for them. The same can be said for polymers and other ingredients added in products like wax. Is the difference notable , thats something we can only note on a personal level.
I also look at it like a good steak. I can roll down to the local Outback and grab a nice filet or ribeye. But I would much prefer a steak from Council Oaks or Capital Grille. They also offer filets and ribeyes at a much more inflated cost. Grain fed, Kobe, and dry aged add to the experience and cost. Maybe I am paying more because of their experience or even the equipment used to prepare it for me.
In the end its the experience, the way I "perceive" the difference and most of all can I afford it relative to my income. I would never force my experience on others, but can suggest it. Then it becomes the choice to experience as wanted/desired.
I also look at it like a good steak. I can roll down to the local Outback and grab a nice filet or ribeye. But I would much prefer a steak from Council Oaks or Capital Grille. They also offer filets and ribeyes at a much more inflated cost. Grain fed, Kobe, and dry aged add to the experience and cost. Maybe I am paying more because of their experience or even the equipment used to prepare it for me.
In the end its the experience, the way I "perceive" the difference and most of all can I afford it relative to my income. I would never force my experience on others, but can suggest it. Then it becomes the choice to experience as wanted/desired.
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Not being an expert on steak (or wax for that matter), I'm still not sure this is a fair comparison.
As I understand Beef, Dry Aged US Prime and Kobe seem to be the standard. Their price is set based upon a variety of factors but I believe some of those factors to be flavor, tenderness, complexity, marbling etc...
Some of those factors are quite subject, others not so much. I'd have to sit down with down similarly prepared striploins to make that determination but my guess is that it probably wouldn't be as arbitrary as waxes.
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Well, I wasn't arguing at all, just stating a point, but you spend the entire first half of your post saying "it is impossible to tell the difference between waxes" only to follow with, "there are subtle differences you do see between some waxes".
You are right, I don't understand what you are saying, because you seem to be saying different things.
Having said that, admitedly, I do not have a very good eye for such things, but I think the only product I've ever seen look different than anything else is Zaino. I could be wrong, but to me it was the only thing that looked like it had a bit more shine.
Other than that, whether it was Collinite 845, NXT 2.0, Fuzion, Souveran, P21's, WG DGPS, they all look the same to me.
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ScottB
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its a hybrid actually ... it has polymers (synthetics) and also 'nuba. Best part its pretty durable and about the easiest product to add and remove.