Richy's M105 video (no dusting technique)

[richy]

I'm not trying to cut MP's grass here, but with all the bad press and discussion about how badly M105 dusts (it doesn't for me), that I thought I would shoot a short video to show my technique and what I do to prepare the pads so you get the desired results. M105 continues to blow me away with its capabilities! Check it out:

(If you guys want, I will shoot another on a black car showing M205 and possibly both products)







[video=youtube_share;wIEpxBe6oXQ"]‪Richy's Meguiars 105 video‬‏ - YouTube[/video]

 

[kronos]

I understand what you're saying, because when I use M105, I normally get either mild dusting, to zero dusting. IME, I've noticed that it's technique dependent and my technique usually has to adapt to the paint I'm working on. When my technique is bad, M105 tends to punish my feeble attempt and I'll notice traits from mild dusting to gumming. But as I adapt to the paint and improve my technique, the dusting and gumming goes away. I'll also echo your sentiments, M105 is bad***!!!

 

[WRAPT C5Z06]

Nice job, Richy. rops:

What speed were you using on the rotary?

 

[C. Charles Hahn]

Man, talk about a Canuck accent :laughing:

Awesome video Richy, that's a great technique and a great demonstration. rops:

 

[Jaretr1]

I have only used 105 once so far and on a white car so I couldn't really see the dusting if there was any. I was spraying my pad with XMT pad conditioner in between passes. Would this be equivalent to wetting the pad first?

 

[A.P.A.D.]

i need to get a rotary! u did 2 section passes where with my PC7424 i have to do like 4-6. what a time saver!

also i think my problem with dusting is over applying the M105. i do an X on the pad instead of 3 little dots.

thanks for taking the time to do this video Richy!

 

[cutter]

Thanks Richy for the video and the great damp pad tip...I will surely try this.

Mark, I think he said the speed setting was at 1000.:xyxthumbs:

 

[JSMet]

Megs M105 is the real thing. When used with M205, it polishes better than anything else I have tried. I used both with a Flex 3401, I can only imagine how it would have turned out if a rotary buffer was used. Richy, your video was superb, I didn't see any issues with dusting at all. Thanks for the demonstration.

 

[DLB]

Great tips on the 105 Richy. As you pointed out - not too much product. I know that was my problem the first couple of times with M105.

Thank you for the video.

DLB

 

[Tom Weed]

Very nice and informative video Richy! I love 105! Last couple of details using a DA with the MF system, I'e been adding a few drops on the pads on along with the D300 correction compound for a little extra cut.

 

[Garry Dean]

Thanks for shooting the video. I find that the majority of my dusting comes from over applying the product. When I cut down on the amount I use the dust is not an issue.

Lubricating the pad prior to your pass will cut down on the dusting as well, but will also reduce the amount of cut m105 offers.

 

[Mike Phillips]

Nice video Richy.

You mentioned cleaning your pad often... good advice. Use a nylon brush, or a pad washer or use the clean-your-pad-on-the-fly technique just don't break a finger, etc.

Or have plenty of pads on hand and as soon as you find buffing becoming more difficult, like the product becomes gummy and hard to wipe off the paint, switch to a clean pad and you'll notice you're back to easy buffing again.

New pads properly primed always buff best, as you continue around the entire car with the same pad most people will notice buffing becomes more difficult and that's because of the spent product that builds up on and in the pad. So take Richy's advice and clean your pad often.

It also looks like you were feeling the paint on the hood to see if it was warm or hot?


:dblthumb2:

 

[CEE DOG]

Excellent video Richy! rops: I really appreciate it. I always pick up something useful from you.

Lubricating the pad prior to your pass will cut down on the dusting as well, but will also reduce the amount of cut m105 offers.

Garry, are you sure about that? I thought it enhanced the cut. I forget who it was I was talking about this at DF with but it was one of the vendors. I believe it went something like this: I told them that I sometimes use a spritz of water when dealing with dusting but that I was concerned I was reducing the cut. I was told that in fact the opposite is true. By thinning out the product I was allowing the abrasives to have more contact with the paint and therefore enhancing the speed at which it cut.

 

[richy]

I understand what you're saying, because when I use M105, I normally get either mild dusting, to zero dusting. IME, I've noticed that it's technique dependent and my technique usually has to adapt to the paint I'm working on. When my technique is bad, M105 tends to punish my feeble attempt and I'll notice traits from mild dusting to gumming. But as I adapt to the paint and improve my technique, the dusting and gumming goes away. I'll also echo your sentiments, M105 is bad***!!!

Glad to hear it's working well for you too. You're right, if you get lazy and wait too long to clean the pads, the job suffers. It is a pleasure to work with 105 with a clean, damp pad.

Nice job, Richy. rops:

What speed were you using on the rotary?

Thanks Mark. It was at 1000 rpm....maybe you can't understand my Chuckie Canucky accent!! LOL

Man, talk about a Canuck accent :laughing:

Awesome video Richy, that's a great technique and a great demonstration. rops:

Rippin on my Chuckie Canucky accent, EH?!?! Don't even get me started on those Michigan accents now!!

I have only used 105 once so far and on a white car so I couldn't really see the dusting if there was any. I was spraying my pad with XMT pad conditioner in between passes. Would this be equivalent to wetting the pad first?

Probably was. Save yourself the $$ and just wash them out with water and spin them dry.

i need to get a rotary! u did 2 section passes where with my PC7424 i have to do like 4-6. what a time saver!
Dude...YES YOU DO!! I love my Dynabrade. Tons and tons of torque. If you've only ever used a DA, the Dyna will blow your mind.. Much more powerful than the Flex.
also i think my problem with dusting is over applying the M105. i do an X on the pad instead of 3 little dots.

thanks for taking the time to do this video Richy!

You're very welcome.

Thanks Richy for the video and the great damp pad tip...I will surely try this.
Please let me know how it works for you. I'd like to know.
Mark, I think he said the speed setting was at 1000.:xyxthumbs:

Thanks for jumping in with that!

Megs M105 is the real thing. When used with M205, it polishes better than anything else I have tried. I used both with a Flex 3401, I can only imagine how it would have turned out if a rotary buffer was used. Richy, your video was superb, I didn't see any issues with dusting at all. Thanks for the demonstration.

You're welcome. If you go super slow with 205 and the right pad (damp too), there is really no need to jewel the paint. It finishes brilliantly.

Great tips on the 105 Richy. As you pointed out - not too much product. I know that was my problem the first couple of times with M105.

Thank you for the video.

DLB

My pleasure Dalton!

Very nice and informative video Richy! I love 105! Last couple of details using a DA with the MF system, I'e been adding a few drops on the pads on along with the D300 correction compound for a little extra cut.

Glad to hear it Tom. I buy it by the gallon now I love it so much!

Thanks for shooting the video. I find that the majority of my dusting comes from over applying the product. When I cut down on the amount I use the dust is not an issue.
I hear you on that. I get myself in trouble when I don't do what's right.
Lubricating the pad prior to your pass will cut down on the dusting as well, but will also reduce the amount of cut m105 offers.

Actually, I disagree there. Do me a favour please and try it both ways right next to each other on the same panel. Do it dry first and then rinse out the pad, spin it dry and to a section right next to it. I think you'll find it performs better!

Nice video Richy.

You mentioned cleaning your pad often... good advice. Use a nylon brush, or a pad washer or use the clean-your-pad-on-the-fly technique just don't break a finger, etc.

Or have plenty of pads on hand and as soon as you find buffing becoming more difficult, like the product becomes gummy and hard to wipe off the paint, switch to a clean pad and you'll notice you're back to easy buffing again.

New pads properly primed always buff best, as you continue around the entire car with the same pad most people will notice buffing becomes more difficult and that's because of the spent product that builds up on and in the pad. So take Richy's advice and clean your pad often.

It also looks like you were feeling the paint on the hood to see if it was warm or hot?


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Man, I knew I was preaching to the choir for you!! I'm glad you didn't take offense to me posting it here. I know you have all sorts of videos in the library here. I just thought it might help some folks.

Excellent video Richy! rops: I really appreciate it. I always pick up something useful from you.

Thanks Corey. As you know me, I do enjoy helping people.


Garry, are you sure about that? I thought it enhanced the cut. I forget who it was I was talking about this at DF with but it was one of the vendors. I believe it went something like this: I told them that I sometimes use a spritz of water when dealing with dusting but that I was concerned I was reducing the cut. I was told that in fact the opposite is true. By thinning out the product I was allowing the abrasives to have more contact with the paint and therefore enhancing the speed at which it cut.

I have found my method cuts the best and also finishes down the best. I have tried many different ways too.

 

[BobbyG]

Hey Richy,

Great job on the video and a nice hands on showing what Meguiar's M105 can really do. I think where many get into a bit of trouble is using too much product.

Meguiar's M105 is designed to be used as you demonstrated which clearly illustrated a successful correction and not dusting at all. A friend of mine was showing me what a horrible time he was having with Meguiar's M105 and I swear this stuff was slung and stuck everywhere...

I find that I like both Menzerna Power Gloss and Meguiar's M105 when I use it with a Purple or Yellow Lake Country Kompressor pad. These pads are stiff enough to keep the product working against the finish and not simply absorb it.

Awesome post Richy and thanks for the great video!! :dblthumb2:

 

[WRAPT C5Z06]

What are you mumbling from 6:17-6:30? :laughing:

 

[C. Charles Hahn]

What are you mumbling from 6:17-6:30? :laughing:

I'll take a crack at translating Yooper/Canuck to close-captioned English (at the risk of getting Richy started on those "Michigan accents"):

"Truth be told this should really be hit with wool, but it's not gettin' that, it's gettin' a one-step, and this might just be it...."

:laughing:

 

[Garry Dean]

Excellent video Richy! rops: I really appreciate it. I always pick up something useful from you.




Garry, are you sure about that? I thought it enhanced the cut. I forget who it was I was talking about this at DF with but it was one of the vendors. I believe it went something like this: I told them that I sometimes use a spritz of water when dealing with dusting but that I was concerned I was reducing the cut. I was told that in fact the opposite is true. By thinning out the product I was allowing the abrasives to have more contact with the paint and therefore enhancing the speed at which it cut.

I am not sure. I will try it both ways and see. I have always primed my pads with Whatever compound or polish I was using. I've never tried it that way.

 

[Garry Dean]

It seems to me that when you add water to a product you are diluting it thus making the product less effective... I am curious on this one. I will video my findings as well.

 

[richy]

I'll take a crack at translating Yooper/Canuck to close-captioned English (at the risk of getting Richy started on those "Michigan accents"):

"Truth be told this should really be hit with wool, but it's not gettin' that, it's gettin' a one-step, and this might just be it...."

:laughing:

Damn....Charlie....You're good!! Jeez, next thing you know I'll have you drinking Canadian beer!!!:cheers:

I am not sure. I will try it both ways and see. I have always primed my pads with Whatever compound or polish I was using. I've never tried it that way.

I hope you do and please share it with me. I have learned a ton from trying things on these forums that I might not have otherwise. Also, which those who know me can attest to, I tend to do things that are "outside the box".

Hey Richy,

Great job on the video and a nice hands on showing what Meguiar's M105 can really do. I think where many get into a bit of trouble is using too much product.

Meguiar's M105 is designed to be used as you demonstrated which clearly illustrated a successful correction and not dusting at all. A friend of mine was showing me what a horrible time he was having with Meguiar's M105 and I swear this stuff was slung and stuck everywhere...

I find that I like both Menzerna Power Gloss and Meguiar's M105 when I use it with a Purple or Yellow Lake Country Kompressor pad. These pads are stiff enough to keep the product working against the finish and not simply absorb it.

Awesome post Richy and thanks for the great video!! :dblthumb2:

Thanks Bobby. I bought a yellow LCC pad and hated it. Is the Kompressor one better? I found the yellow LCC just got the surface WAY too hot and didn't correct nearly as well as wool. I am a big fan of wool as you know. I can get my black tufbuff wool pads to finish down quite nicely with 105 too. Same thing....not too much product.