Rinseless Washes - 2022

So--Optimum put up this video:


It shows the "encapsulation" of dirt, and it falling to the bottom of the test beaker, vs an unnamed competitor (which people in the comments believe to be Absolute). The fan boys on the Optimum forum are gushing over this, while I....have questions. Like what is the "dirt", and how does it really relate to what's on my car? It may be Tennessee mud, but since the stuff on my car this time of year is going to be mag chloride brine, salt, oil from the road, etc., I'm not sure how to relate that. And also, even though they say they added 1 oz of each rinseless to what appears to be a 500ml beaker, it looks like they used an ONR cap, which is only half an ounce. So if we figure it was about 16 oz of water, a half ounce of ONR is 8 times the recommended.

So yes, it gives an interesting comparison between 2 rinseless products, whether that relates at all to what happens on my car or in my bucket at a much higher dilution rate....? What do you guys think?
 
I don't think there's any real way to totally eliminate buying products and experimenting with them side by side yourself. It seems to be part of the hobby
 
Setec Astronomy said:
So--Optimum put up this video:


It shows the "encapsulation" of dirt, and it falling to the bottom of the test beaker, vs an unnamed competitor (which people in the comments believe to be Absolute). The fan boys on the Optimum forum are gushing over this, while I....have questions. Like what is the "dirt", and how does it really relate to what's on my car? It may be Tennessee mud, but since the stuff on my car this time of year is going to be mag chloride brine, salt, oil from the road, etc., I'm not sure how to relate that. And also, even though they say they added 1 oz of each rinseless to what appears to be a 500ml beaker, it looks like they used an ONR cap, which is only half an ounce. So if we figure it was about 16 oz of water, a half ounce of ONR is 8 times the recommended.

So yes, it gives an interesting comparison between 2 rinseless products, whether that relates at all to what happens on my car or in my bucket at a much higher dilution rate....? What do you guys think?
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Honestly the way ONR encapsulates stuff and pulls it quicker and you can visually see that on the paint is what is going to make me go back to it for my rinseless.

That said I agree with you, I do think this is mostly marketing and at the end of the day, they both work well and are safe to use. Like, you know, the ONR might be slightly better because of this or maybe not even. They don't explain how scientifically this changes the actual marring in the real world. This is one of my big gripe with detailing stuff. And yeah, that does look like the P&S label on the competitor bottle.

I've tried the DIY rinseless and that to was good experience but since I know ONR pulls and separates it more, I do I prefer that and it's similar in price.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
So--Optimum put up this video:


It shows the "encapsulation" of dirt, and it falling to the bottom of the test beaker, vs an unnamed competitor (which people in the comments believe to be Absolute). The fan boys on the Optimum forum are gushing over this, while I....have questions. Like what is the "dirt", and how does it really relate to what's on my car? It may be Tennessee mud, but since the stuff on my car this time of year is going to be mag chloride brine, salt, oil from the road, etc., I'm not sure how to relate that. And also, even though they say they added 1 oz of each rinseless to what appears to be a 500ml beaker, it looks like they used an ONR cap, which is only half an ounce. So if we figure it was about 16 oz of water, a half ounce of ONR is 8 times the recommended.

So yes, it gives an interesting comparison between 2 rinseless products, whether that relates at all to what happens on my car or in my bucket at a much higher dilution rate....? What do you guys think?
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I watched that video today and was very impressed. But then someone in the comments reminded me about how ONR stains wash media and doesn’t release too well off it and that turned me off.
 
Eldorado2k said:
I watched that video today and was very impressed. But then someone in the comments reminded me about how ONR stains wash media and doesn’t release too well off it and that turned me off.
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The staining is what turned me off as well. I switched to UWW+ concentrate soon after and enjoyed it.
 
Eldorado2k said:
I watched that video today and was very impressed. But then someone in the comments reminded me about how ONR stains wash media and doesn’t release too well off it and that turned me off.
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SNP209 said:
The staining is what turned me off as well. I switched to UWW+ concentrate soon after and enjoyed it.
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Yeah, I hate the staining, and the OPT people don't really seem to understand what our problem is with it. V.4 was supposed to be an improvement but I haven't even gotten to my bottle of V.4 yet. I was watching a YouTube comparing V.3, V.4, and V.5 and that guy thought V.3 was the best (I think that was his conclusion).
 
Idrosave just dropped. $26/liter for USA only it seems

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Uncbrs said:
Idrosave just dropped. $26/liter for USA only it seems

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I just got the email too. Ordered a bottle to hopefully use in the next week or two if it warms up enough outside.
 
Gridlink said:
I just got the email too. Ordered a bottle to hopefully use in the next week or two if it warms up enough outside.
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Mine won't go through. So I've ordered it somewhere between 0-3 times

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Setec Astronomy said:
Alright I bit--I ordered the 250ml...I'm trying to cut down.
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Lucky me, the order that did get through - the 4.5 liter one.

Oh well, at least these rinseless washes are extremely versatile. Somehow using them in a normal wash routine makes me feel like I'm being even safer ...so money well spent?!

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Coatingsarecrack said:
EC15 will get you 15% off.

if you order $115/120’ish you can get free shipping as well… Don’t ask me how I know that
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Also DMS15--but I only watched those videos AFTER I ordered. On the plus side Labo didn't charge me tax for some reason.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Also DMS15--but I only watched those videos AFTER I ordered. On the plus side Labo didn't charge me tax for some reason.
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I believe if a company is not e commerce only and has a brick and mortar they only have to charge tax in states the do business. I was not taxed either.

Some sites charge and some don’t. Ones that don’t I just consider it wash for the shipping.


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Coatingsarecrack said:
I believe if a company is not e commerce only and has a brick and mortar they only have to charge tax in states the do business. I was not taxed either.

Some sites charge and some don’t. Ones that don’t I just consider it wash for the shipping.
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I'm sure the laws vary by state. In PA, if you do a certain volume of sales to PA, they require that you collect sales tax. Doesn't matter if you don't have a brick & mortar in the state.
 
NJ requires "remote sellers" who have no presence in the state to collect sales tax when such sellers sell tangible property etc. into the state, ("As a result of the U.S. Supreme Court’s Wayfair decision, states may impose Sales Tax collection and remittance obligations on remote sellers") but only if they meet the following thresholds:

1. The remote seller's gross revenue from sales of tangible personal property, specified
digital products, or services delivered into New Jersey during the current or prior calendar
year, exceeds $100,000; or
2. The remote seller sold tangible personal property, specified digital products, or services
delivered into New Jersey in 200 or more separate transactions during the current or
prior calendar year

So maybe since Labo is new here, they haven't met those criteria yet.
 
I think I figured out why Labo didn't charge me sales tax. I looked at the UPS tracking and I guess Labocosmetica USA is actually in Canada.
 
Got some Labo stuff coming from Autoality in Pittsburgh…no tax, free shipping.


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BudgetPlan1 said:
Got some Labo stuff coming from Autoality in Pittsburgh…no tax, free shipping.


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What did you go for? I stocked up during a Christmas sale and when I found some distributors clearancing out the old bottle designs. I've liked it all but still not tested out everything I own from them.

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Uncbrs said:
What did you go for? I stocked up during a Christmas sale and when I found some distributors clearancing out the old bottle designs. I've liked it all but still not tested out everything I own from them.

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For functionality, Cronos. Much, much easier than polishing to keep exhaust outlets/tips clean. Cayman is a pig with carbon deposits.

Out of curiosity, Primus & Purifica. Never thought much of high pH experience previously w CarPro Lift so will see if Primus any different. Interested to see if low pH Purifica (or combo of both) is worthy of all the hullabaloo surrounding such a strategy w coated cars. Kami Acid Shampoo en route too so wanna see how they compare.

Really liked their dilutable gel-like iron remover too but no real need for iron product when surrounded by iron removers at work.

We’ll see, gonna spit em out with new wide-mouth PF22’s with the neat little stainless filter on draw tube…all show & no go/difference I’d imagine aside from convenience of filling.
 
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