Rinseless Washes - 2022

[Klasse Act]

Yeah I'm about tapped out right now:

-ECO wash
-Labocosmetica Idrosave RW
-CarPro Ech2o
-Griot's Garage Ceramic RW
-Griot's Garage Brillant Shine RW
-N914
-P&S Absolute (1 or 2 washes left)
-DIY Detail RW (just finished up)

Nothing on my radar now but I've got some MUST & ALWAYS WILL HAVES


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I also forgot TW hoseless wash, oldie but a goodie

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[DFB]

That's right and I can't believe how many well respected YouTubers don't use the 2BM

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Does that apply to the GD method as well?

 

[Klasse Act]

Does that apply to the GD method as well?

I don't see many doing this method and for me it's kinda how I feel as they both work but for days of dust I like the GD method as it's a little quicker

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[Uncbrs]

Perhaps a kick-ass product like Eco-wash could change that? Probably not, Aussies in general are very skeptical or stubborn.

It has to be stubborn and thank you for confirming. I've been sending emails all night to a supplier in Australia trying to figure out why they want to risk $30k of annual business over $400 one time (ya know, in that real world job stuff). Your post went beyond detailing there and gave me the needed insight to keep up the good fight. Very timely!

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[Setec Astronomy]

Alright, everyone seems to have missed (ignored?) my bombshell about TurtleWax Rinse Free Wash & Wax from a few posts back; from the Optimum rep on the Optimum forum in November:

" Ironically, TurtleWax bought their rinseless from Optimum (along with several other products including Wax and Opti-Seal). They wanted us to dilute ONR and Dr G refused so to make more money they changed the sizes and dilution ratio. But right again, they did not train people how to use or why it worked, so failed miserably (after also failing to reverse engineer Opti-Seal).

Turtle Wax figured changing the bottle and dilution ratio would throw customers off...and they were mostly right. Their rinseless was more expensive but most never computed it. I found it funny when people said TW was better (or ONR was better) because they were the same. They didn't educate the masses on the rinseless technology and got pushback from ignorance. The product flopped and became a bargain basement deal (and yes, Big Lots still exist). Their chemist tried to reverse engineer Opti-Seal but never got it right - Dr G said that is much more difficult that TV makes it seem.

I was consulting with Optimum then but Dr G asked me to sit in TW meetings to expand his "staff". "

 

[Klasse Act]

Alright, everyone seems to have missed (ignored?) my bombshell about TurtleWax Rinse Free Wash & Wax from a few posts back; from the Optimum rep on the Optimum forum in November:

" Ironically, TurtleWax bought their rinseless from Optimum (along with several other products including Wax and Opti-Seal). They wanted us to dilute ONR and Dr G refused so to make more money they changed the sizes and dilution ratio. But right again, they did not train people how to use or why it worked, so failed miserably (after also failing to reverse engineer Opti-Seal).

Turtle Wax figured changing the bottle and dilution ratio would throw customers off...and they were mostly right. Their rinseless was more expensive but most never computed it. I found it funny when people said TW was better (or ONR was better) because they were the same. They didn't educate the masses on the rinseless technology and got pushback from ignorance. The product flopped and became a bargain basement deal (and yes, Big Lots still exist). Their chemist tried to reverse engineer Opti-Seal but never got it right - Dr G said that is much more difficult that TV makes it seem.

I was consulting with Optimum then but Dr G asked me to sit in TW meetings to expand his "staff". "

Just to be clear are you talking about TW hoseless from like 10 yrs ago

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[Setec Astronomy]

Yes.

 

[chilly]

Does that apply to the GD method as well?

Speaking of, people talk about the GD method, but I rarely ever hear of anyone actually using his products

I guess there is a sub cult of Detail Juice users, or there used to be, but it just seems off the radar these days

Anyone here use his RW product?

 

[Klasse Act]

Speaking of, people talk about the GD method, but I rarely ever hear of anyone actually using his products

I guess there is a sub cult of Detail Juice users, or there used to be, but it just seems off the radar these days

Anyone here use his RW product?

Without looking it up I would have to say that product line has probably long been over

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[chilly]

Without looking it up I would have to say that product line has probably long been over

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Detail Juice – Detailing Simplicity, Re-Imagined

The website appears functional

I don't know why but his claims and his demeanor in his videos always gave me the snake oil salesman feeling, which probably kept me from ever trying it, even when I was buying and using original ONR

It was the hoopla from ONR that caused me to look here and on Autopia back in the day and to originally join up

 

[chilly]

Alright, everyone seems to have missed (ignored?) my bombshell about TurtleWax Rinse Free Wash & Wax from a few posts back; from the Optimum rep on the Optimum forum in November:

" Ironically, TurtleWax bought their rinseless from Optimum (along with several other products including Wax and Opti-Seal). They wanted us to dilute ONR and Dr G refused so to make more money they changed the sizes and dilution ratio. But right again, they did not train people how to use or why it worked, so failed miserably (after also failing to reverse engineer Opti-Seal).

Turtle Wax figured changing the bottle and dilution ratio would throw customers off...and they were mostly right. Their rinseless was more expensive but most never computed it. I found it funny when people said TW was better (or ONR was better) because they were the same. They didn't educate the masses on the rinseless technology and got pushback from ignorance. The product flopped and became a bargain basement deal (and yes, Big Lots still exist). Their chemist tried to reverse engineer Opti-Seal but never got it right - Dr G said that is much more difficult that TV makes it seem.

I was consulting with Optimum then but Dr G asked me to sit in TW meetings to expand his "staff". "

Wow, I sure don't remember this drama, but at least in my world TW was simply ignored until the HS line came along

 

[Setec Astronomy]

Garry was very active here before he started his own line. I think his first product was a cord clip.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

Wow, I sure don't remember this drama, but at least in my world TW was simply ignored until the HS line came along

No drama, it was mentioned in passing at the Optimum forum back in November, it was all "secret" until then.

 

[Klasse Act]

Here's the hydrophobics from the Gyeon ECO wash from yesterday. She's got a 45 minute drive home and as you can see she drove in the rain. I think this is VERY impressive for "just a RW"

There really wasn't alot of beading on the hood as the water must've just rolled away, same for the roof

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[Uncbrs]

Here's the hydrophobics from the Gyeon ECO wash from yesterday. She's got a 45 minute drive home and as you can see she drove in the rain. I think this is VERY impressive for "just a RW"

There really wasn't alot of beading on the hood as the water must've just rolled away, same for the roof

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Interesting and impressive.

I just looked at ADS Hero (sold-out already) and while it uses Silica, leaves nothing behind:

HERO incorporates a Silica (SiO2) backbone, increasing solution slickness. However, HERO leaves behind no added protection or durable surface altering polymers, preserving the integrity of your vehicle's existing sealants, waxes, or coatings.



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[chilly]

Here's the hydrophobics from the Gyeon ECO wash from yesterday. She's got a 45 minute drive home and as you can see she drove in the rain. I think this is VERY impressive for "just a RW"

There really wasn't alot of beading on the hood as the water must've just rolled away, same for the roof

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So as far as user experience and results so far, is there any other RW that you would say it feels or behaves like?

 

[Klasse Act]

So as far as user experience and results so far, is there any other RW that you would say it feels or behaves like?

I mean Ech2o is an obvious comparison but I'd need to do a side by side, it's a close call, especially since I've only used ECO wash once. I need to use ECO wash as a WW to see how it does there because IMO Ech2o requires buffing to knock down when used that way...stay "tuned"

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[Coatingsarecrack]

Oh WOW, I'm glad I had that impact but I've been onboard with RW's since I basically joined AG

As you know it's all about technique and I'm as careful as possible by not only pre-treating EVERYTIME but also using 2BM method w/grit guards when using a designated sponge, overkill to some, sure, but that's just how I am

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I (almost) always use a rinse bucket with rinseless. After using a rinse bucket for conventional wash for so many years, I just couldn't put my wash media back into a dirty bucket when doing rinseless.

Yeah if I use a sponge I got a DirtLock in the rinse bucket with ONR. I don’t like ONR for the rinseless because of slickness but I do believe it encapsulates and keeps dirt down the best so use it in the rinse.

Ring sponge out really well and then dunk in rinseless.


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[Gridlink]

Gyeon Eco Wash looks to fall into the Idrosave category for me: something I'll use during the winter months to top up my protection but not during the spring/summer/fall months when my protection is fresh(er).

That does mean my bottle of Idrosave isn't going to see any use until this coming November or December. Oh well.

 

[Klasse Act]

Gyeon Eco Wash looks to fall into the Idrosave category for me: something I'll use during the winter months to top up my protection but not during the spring/summer/fall months when my protection is fresh(er).

That does mean my bottle of Idrosave isn't going to see any use until this coming November or December. Oh well.

Maybe once a month when it's nice

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