Rinseless Washes - 2022

When ONR first came me out, it was known for staining and there was a lot of discussion since microfiber tended to be the most used type wash media then, The GDWM was one result. No one seemed to prove that it caused issues. These reviews like Mr G. notes differences with sponge (rinsing, drag) but again none has been trace to systemic issues.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Maybe they found that they couldn't make the "benchmark" for any cheaper than buying it from OPT. Or maybe they are having capacity problems in their manufacturing facility and don't want to expand it or hire more people, so they decided it would be simpler to outsource it. They seem to have no problem giving microfiber towel manufacturers a "cut of their profits", or the people that make other stuff for them.
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Yeah they don’t have a fabrics manufacturing facility or brush manufacturing facility. They don’t claim or use it as a statement of pride. The do on there chemicals. Why is it that you think they don’t have coatings?

All these pop ups having them “white labeled”. Be easy for griots to do and sell ALOT.

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Nav45 said:
I actually did order the new sponge despite having plenty of other sponges. I think Armour is a decent company and their products have been good. I also like they are more of a detail company than a social media company like some of the other ones. I’m kinda sick of social media and influencers but I guess we have to deal with them because that’s the world we’re in now.

Their Adapt waterless is really good by the way. I use it more as a detail spray or spray sealant than as a waterless.
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Armor went the full social media and every influencer has demo’d there products…. They were one of the first to do it…


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Nav45 said:
Absolutely, they are all pushing more products but relatively speaking, I am seeing less of a social media influencer vibe from Armour. They have some online presence but way less than some of their peers (I think you guys know which ones those are). In this day and age, I guess to stay relevant they have to "keep up" and bring out new things and even redundant things. But compared to some of the other newer brands, it's not quite as overt.

Also, have you guys noticed that the detailing brands started by social media influencers tend to get better reviews by Youtube channels than brands who are not quite as social media heavy? Seems a little too convenient for this to happen - maybe I am reading too much into it.
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Armor is loved by every YouTube influencer out there. Yes a little too convenient.

Everyone wants to consider Armour special but they are a white labeled you tube marketed brand like everyone of these new companies.

the only difference between them and THOR, DIY details is there people weren’t on social media when they started the company so they don’t have an in house influencer.

They didn’t do anything different. Just early.

House of Rags at least sells other interesting products not from them.


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Coatingsarecrack said:
Armor is loved by every YouTube influencer out there. Yes a little too convenient.

Everyone wants to consider Armour special but they are a white labeled you tube marketed brand like everyone of these new companies.

the only difference between them and THOR, DIY details is there people weren’t on social media when they started the company so they don’t have an in house influencer.

They didn’t do anything different. Just early.

House of Rags at least sells other interesting products not from them.


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That house of Rags only has "their own" mf towels, unless I'm missing something

As far as white label goes, well, the majority out there fall into that category, so alot of buy/like white label, it's just do wanna support a clown, a hype man or someone you've never heard of

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My order arrives this Friday...but the weather

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The green sponge is said to be firmer than USS sponge and is most likely the UBS sponge but in a green color.
 
Looking forward to The Villain & Hero teaming up to fight grime

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Coatingsarecrack said:
Armor went the full social media and every influencer has demo’d there products…. They were one of the first to do it…


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A lot of their success was word of mouth actually because their products were good. That's how I heard about them. The only companies that aren't doing as much social media stuff are the older, establish brands and even they are doing a bit more.

Armor is loved by every YouTube influencer out there. Yes a little too convenient.

Everyone wants to consider Armour special but they are a white labeled you tube marketed brand like everyone of these new companies.

the only difference between them and THOR, DIY details is there people weren’t on social media when they started the company so they don’t have an in house influencer.
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After a while a lot of these products overlap anyway, whether they be polishes, microfiber, washes, etc. I see slight difference in what Armour offers compared to others in terms of quality of packaging, labeling and even performance. Is it vastly different from other similar brands? Nope. But we are at the point in detailing where the differences between most companies and most products is so minor that even a little bit better helps.

And even though Armour has social media, it's a bit more subdued than the competition - minor stuff I know but I prefer that. As for being loved by the influencers, totally with you on that one. That's why I am choosy these days regarding which Youtube channels I watch.

By the way, they have yet to offer a polish as of now. That's a little different from their peers as they immediately have a full lineup of products ready to go as soon as the company is formed. Armour didn't even have a rinseless until not too long ago - they took their time with their product rather than simply covering all the bases by immediately having a full lineup of products.
 
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Nav45 said:
By the way, they have yet to offer a polish as of now. That's a little different from their peers as they immediately have a full lineup of products ready to go as soon as the company is formed. Armour didn't even have a rinseless until not too long ago - they took their time with their product rather than simply covering all the bases by immediately have a full lineup of products.
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No disrespect, but I think you're conflating "slow, careful product development" with a lack of investment allowing for a larger initial line.

I remember hearing a story, back when the clay patents were in effect, about how many bars of clay you had to buy to get a custom color or formulation, I believe it was $20,000 worth or something, that's a lot of money to put out up front, for a batch of product that might take 3 or 4 years to sell. I think that may also explain why Armour sells out on some of their new stuff, it's because they are buying a small batch because they don't know how it's going to go over.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
I find ceramic leaves an aftertaste that I don't like, so I'm going to pass on that one, and I don't like that waxy feel on my tongue, so I'm going to pass on that one, too.
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Agree, but my teeth are really hydrophobic and shinny... wait I'll show you, let me rinse with some wheel cleaner followed by some APC.
 
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Setec Astronomy said:
No disrespect, but I think you're conflating "slow, careful product development" with a lack of investment allowing for a larger initial line.

I remember hearing a story, back when the clay patents were in effect, about how many bars of clay you had to buy to get a custom color or formulation, I believe it was $20,000 worth or something, that's a lot of money to put out up front, for a batch of product that might take 3 or 4 years to sell. I think that may also explain why Armour sells out on some of their new stuff, it's because they are buying a small batch because they don't know how it's going to go over.
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Makes sense and I can respect that. Small, scrappy company that's slow rather than a company with a bunch of investors that pretends to be led by somebody else.
 
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It is. I think Lake country makes most of the rinseless sponges.


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As far as I know, the USS is unique to The Rag Company and not LC. Ivan was somewhat taking shots at them for their sponge and claiming how his was superior.
 
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Nav45 said:
As far as I know, the USS is unique to The Rag Company and not LC. Ivan was somewhat taking shots at them for their sponge and claiming how his was superior.
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What I saw him say was that the UBS (which was a P&S/Rag Company product) was a good sponge, but TRC dumped that and went with the Chinese USS, which is inferior foam. Also someone who reviewed the v.1 and v.2 Legacy sponges said that the v.1 was made by LC, while the v.2 is made by B&S. Not sure who is making the Iconic sponge.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
What I saw him say was that the UBS (which was a P&S/Rag Company product) was a good sponge, but TRC dumped that and went with the Chinese USS, which is inferior foam. Also someone who reviewed the v.1 and v.2 Legacy sponges said that the v.1 was made by LC, while the v.2 is made by B&S. Not sure who is making the Iconic sponge.
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Apparently his sponges are made in the US and his Iconic sponge has the same material as the Legacy sponge, which I assume he means V2. Who makes it? Not sure. I have the USS and have found it to be really good from the ones I've used so far and that includes both of the Legacy sponges. Better flexibility and softness.
 
Well, I never got on the sponge bandwagon except for the OPT blue waffle sponge, but I have the green, black and red coming and already have the Ethos, I'll probably do a (technical) comparison thread when I get them.
 
The more the better, right?!

I like them all to be honest and they all have their pros and cons. But I keep going back to the USS a lot of times though. I also have the Big Gold Sponge and its the most flexible and softest out of them all - maybe too soft, especially if the rinseless foams. It absorbs a lot of the foam and gets hard to rinse out. It's better when used with a non-foaming product. Still like it though.

Hope you like the ones that are coming.
 
Don’t remember if this has been mentioned but iirc LC made the v1 legacy sponge and b&s makes the v2.
 
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