Rinseless Washes - 2022

I finally got around to trying The Gloss Shop Sublime rinseless wash... the brand doesn't seem to be marketed or hyped like the others.
Is that the company that was started by someone that used to be a member here? We had a member who stopped posting when he started his business, like Cory did when he started Sky's the Limit.
 
Is that the company that was started by someone that used to be a member here? We had a member who stopped posting when he started his business, like Cory did when he started Sky's the Limit.
I've bought from Sky's the Limit, no issues

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It was Richard Wright (user name rwright) that started The Gloss Shop.
He's a good guy. I contacted him on social media and he's been more than helpful for me. He's also made sure to help me out with orders through Autoality or bundle deals from his website if I recall. His lineup is mostly soap and LSPs but I've always liked what I tried.

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I was rather taken aback by that, that apparently the ONR changes for V.6 were just for slickness and for nothing else...and evidently it's still the least slick OPT RW, so...why not just leave ONR alone and tell people if they want a slicker wash, use ONRWW? Which is precisely what Chris Thomas, who was the OPT forum PR person at the time ONRWW came out, suggested (that for general use, ONRWW would be a safer wash and provide a better wash experience due to more lubricity, and that ONR would only be used if you didn't want to leave anything behind, like if you were prepping for coating).

EDIT: I guess my point is I don't think people were saying "I would use ONR if it were just slicker". I kind of presumed that the increased slickness was due to "improvements" in the chemistry...but apparently the increased slickness was the only objective.
I wonder how they determined that because I certainly didn't see any increased user experience with the new ONR in basically any way. So if slickness was the main improvement, I certainly didn't feel it. If it was extra cleaning, that may be but it's not something that was obvious. I won't comment on what others have reported but from my limited testing, this product took a step back from version 5, which I still have. I would rather use that than the v6, that's how much it took a step back.
 
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It's actually a pretty good choice. Will your car be coated?

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It is coated. In 2020 it had Gtechniq EXO "9-year" coating installed. Being a garage queen it is still going strong due to no element exposure and few washes. I was given the invoices for anything and everything ever done to the car.

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No idea yet! Was looking at P&S though.

Have a look at this thread I authored last year -

I've tended to like the polymer type, they feel more lubricated, which I felt important coming from being a heavy soap user. I really like ONR and Absolute for that reason. I think the polymer type are a nice balance between the products laced with wax or Si02 (which can be fun), and the surfactant-based options that are said to "leave nothing behind". The reality is, any rinse-less will leave something behind, even the surfactant ones, so I guess it comes down to how much you want left behind. Personally, I've never really cared about the "nothing left behind" thing.

At the moment, I'm gravitating towards the following -

P&S Absolute - I think the slickness this brings, both in how it glides but also in the finished result. When it was released, the product did have a tendency to clumpy in the bottle, but that has since been addressed. It can also congeal a little in the bucket initially, but again they have worked on that with later revisions.

ADS Hero - This is a hybrid polymer/surfactant product. It's probably not the strongest cleaners, but by the sounds of it, that isn't really your top priority. The reason why you would choose this one is the slickness during and afterwards. And with Si02 in the formula, it will help maintain a coating without the need for drying aids or toppers.

Opti-Coat No Rinse – This Si02 version of the polymer-type ONR doesn't get much love but its supremely accomplished. I personally think its slicker and glossier than Hero, while sharing its ease of use and dependability of the regular blue ONR. Smells nice too.

McKee's N-914 or DIY Detail Rinse-less - Not my favorites, but if you like the squeaky-clean feel, these would be worth looking at. Both are of the surfactant variety and have slightly "sticky" (for lack of a better word) to them. I also use these mixed at 128:1 as a windscreen washer fluid.

Considering you are familiar with ONR, I'd suggest getting a small bottle of McKee's N-914 and ADS Hero to see how they feel against your ONR benchmark.
 
Have a look at this thread I authored last year -

I've tended to like the polymer type, they feel more lubricated, which I felt important coming from being a heavy soap user. I really like ONR and Absolute for that reason. I think the polymer type are a nice balance between the products laced with wax or Si02 (which can be fun), and the surfactant-based options that are said to "leave nothing behind". The reality is, any rinse-less will leave something behind, even the surfactant ones, so I guess it comes down to how much you want left behind. Personally, I've never really cared about the "nothing left behind" thing.

At the moment, I'm gravitating towards the following -

P&S Absolute - I think the slickness this brings, both in how it glides but also in the finished result. When it was released, the product did have a tendency to clumpy in the bottle, but that has since been addressed. It can also congeal a little in the bucket initially, but again they have worked on that with later revisions.

ADS Hero - This is a hybrid polymer/surfactant product. It's probably not the strongest cleaners, but by the sounds of it, that isn't really your top priority. The reason why you would choose this one is the slickness during and afterwards. And with Si02 in the formula, it will help maintain a coating without the need for drying aids or toppers.

Opti-Coat No Rinse – This Si02 version of the polymer-type ONR doesn't get much love but its supremely accomplished. I personally think its slicker and glossier than Hero, while sharing its ease of use and dependability of the regular blue ONR. Smells nice too.

McKee's N-914 or DIY Detail Rinse-less - Not my favorites, but if you like the squeaky-clean feel, these would be worth looking at. Both are of the surfactant variety and have slightly "sticky" (for lack of a better word) to them. I also use these mixed at 128:1 as a windscreen washer fluid.

Considering you are familiar with ONR, I'd suggest getting a small bottle of McKee's N-914 and ADS Hero to see how they feel against your ONR benchmark.
My man! Thanks for this lil run-down. I have a ton of ONR left. Both blue and green. Sometimes it's hard to beat the classics as they say.

But I figured the newer formulas to choose from are worth a gander.

Appreciate ya.

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My man! Thanks for this lil run-down. I have a ton of ONR left. Both blue and green. Sometimes it's hard to beat the classics as they say.

But I figured the newer formulas to choose from are worth a gander.

Appreciate ya.

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I could throw a monkey wrench in here but what Deyon has posted are great choices, haven't used any ONR in about 10+ years, just never really grabbed my attention but it sounds like you've got stuff to use up first anyways

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Without watching the video why wouldn't you just pre-treat bugs with a strong ratio APC and let it do the work and then do the RW over that area to even it all out

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They pretreated with the ONR only. They demonstrated using OPC on wheels and tires followed by ONR. Makes sense to apply same logic to bugs as well. I think it was the bug removal sponge that made me cringe. I would rather use a high PH pretreatement and soft media than a neutral PH RW and rough media. I only use bug sponges on windshields.

I do have two blue sponges for RW method. One is new still. I think the last time I tried a full RW method was with my 2017 GTI when I still lived in an apartment. Did it twice maybe three times.

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Preludio alkaline…


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Sorry Crack, total brain fart on my part , maybe I was thinking something everyone has in their collection but actually, since it exists, Preludio alkaline AND acidic should be too

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LSP's don't protect from UV light. Same goes with interior dressings.
Trying to ignore the last post about LSP's providing no UV protection, when virtually every LSP has that feature in their description, as well as OPT having a patent for UV protection in OCW. https://patents.google.com/patent/US6669763B1/en
Yeah, I’m using WW&S as a drying aid, as a break from what I normally use and not as a true LSP. It provides some added cleaning/protection in case I missed something and provides excellent gloss at the end. The fact that it has some UV inhibitors or protection and comes from a company that actually has a patent on UV inhibitors in their product line, is an added bonus.

I no longer scrutinize every minutia in every product that I use, I know that ONR, ONRW&W, OCW, and WW&S simply work for me. It’s a plus that these products are formulated by an individual, who has a doctorate in chemistry and actually worked in the auto paint industry as opposed to someone who walks into a blender and says: “I want to start a detail line, whatcha got on tap,” but that’s jmo.
 
So did a rinseless with DIY detail. Car was pretty dirty so ONR in the rinse bucket.

DIY:

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ONR:

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So method was to pretreat with DIY. Dunk BRS in DIY to wash with DIY and Rinse in ONR bucket.

Not gonna really talk about wash as you all know how that goes. Buckets afterwards

DIY wash bucket:

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ONR rinse bucket:

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So obviously dirty. Funny thing is you can see dirt throughout the ONR rinse bucket. But it does do a good job of pulling out of wash media as you can see wash bucket is still pretty clean.

Also no big floaties in rinse bucket where most dirt was going. ONR pulled those to bottom. There were some present when I tried 1 dunk test. Not important but I’ve used this BRS with ONR and Idrosave and no staining.

So I tried dunk test in middle with ONR bucket. Sponge was dipped. Swirled around but touched no grit guard or side.

I believe this is V4.

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This was mid wash bucket I used.

Both sides of dirty sponge:

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After dunk:

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Sponge completely clean which I understand is not expected In polymer rinseless.

To compare DiY which I did later.

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One thing I notice in DIY after dunk was presents of floaties

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So I checked ONR which had been receiving dirty sponge consistently…. No glories

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Thought these white specks were floaties but they were bubbles in water.

Not a fan of either and just trying to use up but the performance as a rinse bucket product impress me with ONR. Maybe there is something to this
“zwitter ionic”

Was still mid in as a cleaner though.


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