Rinseless Washes - 2022

noorth said:
I'm starting to like DIY more - not a huge fan of the color or smell. Seems to clean better and mixes very well. Even using it inside the house it's pretty good. Absolute is not the greatest for off label uses so far.

I might buy a gallon of DIY next year. Unless something else comes out or owner's pride canada starts using some reasonable shipping companies. Shipping is ridiculous.
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I agree with you on other uses for absolute. Favorite rinsless for that use.

ONR for all off label.


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So does any rinseless product release dirt from the sponge and make it fall under the grit guard?
 
Eldorado2k said:
So does any rinseless product release dirt from the sponge and make it fall under the grit guard?
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From my readings polymer based ones do that. Ones that are surfactant based seem to leave suspended in solution.

Yvan says it’s not an issue for DiY but I don’t get it.

If I’m using a spong I definitely prefer polymer based.

If using multiple towels then either.


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Rand0m said:
How are you mixing Absolute and Bead Maker and what is the advantage? I already use Beadmaker as a drying aid.
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Eldorado2k said:
I think he just means use Beadmaker as a drying aid.
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Correct, using Bead Maker as a drying aid.

Of course, you don't need to use a drying aid, but those two work so well together.

I mist it on just before towel drying, which dilutes it down a bit but without compromising the gloss potential.





 
For DIY rinseless users, does it foam up when you agitate it with water? N914 does that when I top off the bucket or add water for any reasons after it's in the solution. A bit annoying because I mainly use a split 5 gallon bucket so I often have to wait for the foam to dissipate. Never experienced that with other rinseless solutions.


DFB said:
Correct, using Bead Maker as a drying aid.

Of course, you don't need to use a drying aid, but those two work so well together.

I mist it on just before towel drying, which dilutes it down a bit but without compromising the gloss potential.
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Gotcha. Totally read your other reply wrong. This is how I've also been using it for years.
 
Rand0m said:
For DIY rinseless users, does it foam up when you agitate it with water? N914 does that when I top off the bucket or add water for any reasons after it's in the solution. A bit annoying because I mainly use a split 5 gallon bucket so I often have to wait for the foam to dissipate. Never experienced that with other rinseless solutions.




Gotcha. Totally read your other reply wrong. This is how I've also been using it for years.
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DIY will foam. Don't agitate it...
 
noorth said:
DIY will foam. Don't agitate it...
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Agreed, no need to agitate or top off, once measured out your good to go. I always make extra because I pre-treat, better to have a little extra than not enough. The extra can be used in the engine bay, wheelwells (even if they're clean, just spray it up in there and let it dry), dirtier jams and even the interior if you want to

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For all you Absolute users. Per P&S don’t shake the bottle but swirl it. Also swirl it when poured I to the bucket. Reason being is the polymers will encapsulate each other.
 
The Guz said:
For all you Absolute users. Per P&S don’t shake the bottle but swirl it. Also swirl it when poured I to the bucket. Reason being is the polymers will encapsulate each other.
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Just thought of you today when I was pouring my Absolute into my spray bottle:xyxthumbs:
I would of never know!
 
The Guz said:
For all you Absolute users. Per P&S don’t shake the bottle but swirl it. Also swirl it when poured I to the bucket. Reason being is the polymers will encapsulate each other.
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Thanks for the info. This is dropping Absolute down on my personal list.
 
Klasse Act said:
Just so I'm clear, have you used it yet
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Yep. But there's a growing list of tips on how to use it. It mixes up better in warmer water than cold. Swirl it, don't shake it. It's not a damn martini.

Plenty of other RW out there that also work well but don't care about that stuff.
 
Here’s my take on current RW products.
N914 and DIY are the exact same product aside from colour and smell in my experience. To me they are more of Rinseless APC’s. N914 is cheaper than DIY so I use that for rinseless apc uses like pad washing and rag pre-soak since they are both surfactant based. I do not use them on paint but sill happily use them as pre-wash in pump sprayer before ONR touches the surface. They do not encapsulate as well as onr or absolute.

Absolute Rinseless is good but ONR is better in my opinion. #5 revision is better than last, does what it does the best and does it better. Pre-soak is always recommended.

Absolutely is harder to mix, like to be re-mixed if left for a bit and is bit smeary and streaky sometimes. ONR is faster for drying and doesn’t do what Absolute misses as mentioned. ONR still wins in my opinion.

Heard good things about feynlab rinseless but haven’t gotten my hands on it yet.


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noorth said:
I like the APC metaphor. N914 and DIY are definitely more versatile IME. They do seem very similar.

2 more rinseless products coming out soon from ma-fra(Manaic line/Labocosmetica) and artdeshine. Excited to try one of them.
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Definitely loving the labocosmetica compounds and polishes. I’m Looking forward to it. Thanks for the info!


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I've been very impressed with all of the Labocosmetica products I've tried (Primus, Purifica, and Sidero). They've said themselves that they only release a product if brings something unique in the market, so hopefully their rinseless wash is something special.
 
PNWSam said:
Here’s my take on current RW products.
N914 and DIY are the exact same product aside from colour and smell in my experience.
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Do you have proof that they are?

Would your thought process change if you knew that DIY uses the same warehouse as Owner’s Pride to ship? Does that make DIY the same as OP?

I get that everyone wants them to be the same but they certainly behave differently from my experience.

The only ones that know are the chemists and the people that work for that brand.
 
The Guz said:
Do you have proof that they are?

Would your thought process change if you knew that DIY uses the same warehouse as Owner’s Pride to ship? Does that make DIY the same as OP?

I get that everyone wants them to be the same but they certainly behave differently from my experience.

The only ones that know are the chemists and the people that work for that brand.
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No but in my usage they are. And the both mix dirt rather than pushing it down the bucket. Both use similar polymer based surfactant. Too many coincidences here. Even if we ignore that, to me they are eerily similar in my blind test. I don’t claim to know they are 100% identical or similar as a fact. I simply stated my observations based on my experience. I still think ONR and Absolute are superior because they encapsulate better. I don’t get the DIY hype on any of their products.
I don’t care what warehouse they use. My observations are simply mine and from what I can gather online from their msds and their marketing material.

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Ivan did say in an interview with Pan that they company he started DiY with was a big blender that makes many of the products we already love but they did not have a retail line of their own.

This would nix Mckee’s as the blender but agreed the perform eerily similar.

But Mckee’s been a high performing product for a while.


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Coatingsarecrack said:
Ivan did say in an interview with Pan that they company he started DiY with was a big blender that makes many of the products we already love but they did not have a retail line of their own.

This would nix Mckee’s as the blender but agreed the perform eerily similar.

But Mckee’s been a high performing product for a while.


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Not sure if I believe Yvan on that but I can be wrong since this is just a speculation. Even N914 could’ve been a formulation made by a third party for all I know(perhaps PBMG?). Not everything is made in house for example, McKee’s pad rejuvenator is just repackaged snappy clean but it says so. Contracts exist for different purposes and N914 could’ve been a third party formulation.

I was more swayed to believe this when Nick Rutter himself is promoting DIY’s Rinseless on his store channel on YT(autoforge) even though He’s the GM of McKee’s and DIY’s rinseless directly competes with n914. It could be because they’re friends but I hardly believe anything anyone says especially when money is involved behind the scenes and people have a tendency to lie.

Like how McKee’s said(in most videos) N914 doesn’t have any polymers and every person on YT said so too(including Yvan) that yet there’s a video of nick mentioning its a super slick polymer based surfactant, which makes DIY a similar product and coincidentally they behave the same. Yvan said this technology didn’t exist before yet N914 had it. Now McKees used that to differentiate between ONR which is why they never mentioned that again. Suddenly if it doesn’t leave anything behind, its superior and that was the selling point of N914. Polymers were suddenly a bad thing, yet N914 has it. They just serve different purpose. See how marketing works?

There is no other differentiating factor between these two products and the consistency of the product suggests this as well when you compare it with products that actually do have encapsulating polymers like Absolute and ONR.

Anyhow, I’ve already spent too much time on this topic and it doesn’t lead us anywhere lol. I just hate being lied to and this is why I do not support or use blender products.


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