rupes mark II 21" vs 15"

21+5bp and GG 6" is great combo.

Zubair, i havent used GG Boss pads (not available in Europe) but i can say that Rupes yellow and white are very durable, only green and blue sucks when it comea to durability. Their mf pads are quite durable also. Have you compared Boss mf pads against other mf pads?

Btw that was my 15 mk2 on tht video and its not faulty. I guess i just need to use more speed on it and it does perform better with other pads than that white.
 
Joel1979 said:
Btw that was my 15 mk2 on tht video and its not faulty. I guess i just need to use more speed on it and it does perform better with other pads than that white.
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Yes, some pads will definitely spin better than other pads, but that video is disturbing if it's not faulty. Makes me feel even better returning the MK II 15. Same pad spun MUCH better with even more pressure on the MK II 21.

Here's another video with pad stall on the MK II 15. Ironically, they're both Rupes pads.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MCrvVJCbAI

Again, other pads will probably spin great with the Mark II 15, I just don't like seeing these types of videos.
 
WRAPT C5Z06 said:
Yes, some pads will definitely spin better than other pads, but that video is disturbing if it's not faulty. Makes me feel even better returning the MK II 15. Same pad spun MUCH better with even more pressure on the MK II 21.

Here's another video with pad stall on the MK II 15. Ironically, they're both Rupes pads.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MCrvVJCbAI

Again, other pads will probably spin great with the Mark II 15, I just don't like seeing these types of videos.
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That is odd. I have not had this issue at all with mine. But I am not putting any pressure on it like he is doing. I ran mine at speed 3 and 4 with the white pads with no issues. The only time I have had the machine stall on me is when I hit a raised curved edge like the aftermarket hood on my grand prix or an uneven surface like the hood of my camaro. I have yet to use speed 5 or 6 on my 15 MKII. The pads I had issues with was the Meguiar's yellow thin pad. Those would not spin at any speed.
 
The Guz said:
That is odd. I have not had this issue at all with mine. But I am not putting any pressure on it like he is doing. I ran mine at speed 3 and 4 with the white pads with no issues. The only time I have had the machine stall on me is when I hit a raised curved edge like the aftermarket hood on my grand prix or an uneven surface like the hood of my camaro. I have yet to use speed 5 or 6 on my 15 MKII. The pads I had issues with was the Meguiar's yellow thin pad. Those would not spin at any speed.
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Interesting.
 
Joel1979 said:
21+5bp and GG 6" is great combo.

Zubair, i havent used GG Boss pads (not available in Europe) but i can say that Rupes yellow and white are very durable, only green and blue sucks when it comea to durability. Their mf pads are quite durable also. Have you compared Boss mf pads against other mf pads?

Btw that was my 15 mk2 on tht video and its not faulty. I guess i just need to use more speed on it and it does perform better with other pads than that white.
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Yep the green and blue are the biggest culprits and to some extent the mf and uhs grey pads too. The white and yellow pads are pretty decent no doubt about that. I have that Boss pack of two mf pads along with every other brand mf pads and the ones that stick out for me are the Meguiars DMF and CarPro MF, those deliver the best performance and durability but I have a different style of using mf, I don't prime them and they work better that way for me.

On a side note as mentioned previously, my weakest DA doesn't stall as easily as yours did in the video but I gotta be honest I haven't used the white pad on my 15 MKII yet, only on my 15ES and 21 MKII with Rupes Diamond and both machines had no issues. I had a video taken on my iPhone 7 Plus with my 21 MKII with the standard 6" bp with the 7" green pad on speed 1 with a very steep curve on the botton of a door and it had lots of rotation but can't find it now, think its deleted. Point is either I have good technique or the machine is hard to stall but I recall a conversation with Dylan and myself and he mentioned the 230V models or country voltage can also play a factor in machine output and thus ability to stall/rotate.
 
WRAPT C5Z06 said:
Have you tried the new LC MF cutting pads? I like them.
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The old or new ones? I have tried neither as the old had bad reviews and I was planning on getting the new ones with the hole which fall under the new HDO pads along with an order of Force grey pads but guess what, AG stocks neither so up until then I haven't ordered anything more from AG as I don't seem to need anything else.
 
Zubair said:
The old or new ones? I have tried neither as the old had bad reviews and I was planning on getting the new ones with the hole which fall under the new HDO pads along with an order of Force grey pads but guess what, AG stocks neither so up until then I haven't ordered anything more from AG as I don't seem to need anything else.
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The old ones were very finicky. Only worked with certain polishes. I didn't like them. The new ones like these http://www.autogeek.net/414inulmipad.html are awesome! The HDO are the same with the exception of a hole in them and perfect fit velcro backing.
 
WRAPT C5Z06 said:
The old ones were very finicky. Only worked with certain polishes. I didn't like them. The new ones like these 5 1/4 Inch Microfiber Cutting Pad (2-Pack) are awesome! The HDO are the same with the exception of a hole in them and perfect fit velcro backing.
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They look like CarPro MF's. I'd prefer the HDO ones with the hole, but as mentioned can't just order these only, need to make up an order of things I really need to justify an order and Force grey is at the top of the list which ofcourse isn't a priority for AG to stock anytime soon or at all.
 
Zubair said:
They look like CarPro MF's. I'd prefer the HDO ones with the hole, but as mentioned can't just order these only, need to make up an order of things I really need to justify an order and Force grey is at the top of the list which ofcourse isn't a priority for AG to stock anytime soon or at all.
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The CarPro MF nap is much longer. I have them and like them too.

I cannot stand the Force Grey Pad. WAYYY too stiff. Really makes the 3401 very uncomfortable to use. I don't see how they would work well at all on any long throw DA. The thin grey would probably work well on an 8mm, but that's about it.
 
WRAPT C5Z06 said:
The CarPro MF nap is much longer. I have them and like them too.

I cannot stand the Force Grey Pad. WAYYY too stiff. Really makes the 3401 very uncomfortable to use. I don't see how they would work well at all on any long throw DA. The thin grey would probably work well on an 8mm, but that's about it.
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Now this gets interesting. Alittle birdie informed me whilst the Force Grey pads are designed for forced rotation/rotary use on heavy defects they work even better on the Rupes 21 MKII due to the long throw and massive torque. If you notice Rupes Blue,UHS Grey and Green pads are stiff and coarse as long throws need this trait to cut without added user pressure. The Force Grey is exactly that and my primary requirement for it is insane correction for serious defects, nothing more.

I already know what the 21 MKII is capable of when going head to head against my PE-14 and wool, but I need one more test to complete my research to form something concrete as I base everything on fact and I can't do this without the 5.5" and 6.5" Force Grey's in my hands.
 
Zubair said:
If you notice Rupes Blue,UHS Grey and Green pads are stiff and coarse
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The grey pads makes these pads feel like Rupes White pads. They are extremely stiff and do not soften. Very, very small pores.
 
and on the last question :
can use BP form 15 to 21 rupes?will be problems or not to use small BP on 21 rupes?
 
Yeah they the same foam as the ThinPro Greys which I like. My correction style is more akin LC ThinPro Grey, GG Boss White, BnS Low-Pro Green and CarPro Flash as I work mostly on the hardest of hard German paints with deeper defects.
 
dragan75 said:
and on the last question :
can use BP form 15 to 21 rupes?will be problems or not to use small BP on 21 rupes?
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I have done exactly that and I wasn't happy as my machine had a rattling noise and vibrated. I then ordered the Kamakazi Beast bp and that allowed me to run 5.5" pads smoothly.
 
I think im going to order Kamikaze beast and katana for my duetto 15 and 21. Better pad rotation, smoother and more agressive cut to be expected?

I did side by side test with megs, bns and rupes mf pads, i think bns won that.

There are also new American Global efc mf and foam pads coming. Also 3d products have new mf pads. Buff and Shine will introduce new pads aswell, do interesting times.

Next im going to test Flexipads/Autobrite mf pads, they should be good.
 
Theres no need for the Katana as the Beast will cover all those machines. Just buy one and swop it between them whichever machine you using at the time as they quite pricy.
 
Also to clarify a post of mine about the rattling after fitting the oem 5" bp to the 21, I just realised that wasn't so much the 5" bp as my machine did it with the 6" bp too. Turns out the rubber shroud was interfering with the bp even without load so using either a washer mod or petroleum jelly to reduce the friction between the shroud and bp worked. My 15 MKII has that exact same issue where the shroud rubbing causes the machine to become unbalanced and a rattle noise to develop. My 15ES never had that issue. So either washer mod the MKII's,use petroleum jelly or some sort of lubricant or invest in a pricy Kamakazi to clear the shroud.
 
waht is kamikazi bp any link ?are they sent to europe?
i see somewhere for mark 2 say its 100 pounds aka 120 euros!!! jeusssu its half of my pay...
 
If anyone posts a link on Kamakazi this thread will be moved or deleted as witnessed previously as its not an OEM Rupes upgrade part nor is it sold on AG. If you find it too pricy just get the 5" bp and washer mod it.
 
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