Sealant comparison

[Cruzscarwash]

I believe 111 is just a sealant and not a cleaner like 105. Cruz, can you clarify if we're wrong?

Matt, thanks and me too. I start doing this because of all the wild claims I was seeing on coatings and sealants with no evidence for anything.

I had thought it was a cleaner as well but the more I look into it the less it's pointing in that direction so I'm not sure to be honest.

Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

 

[ski2]

I had thought it was a cleaner as well but the more I look into it the less it's pointing in that direction so I'm not sure to be honest.

Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

DG 101 and 105 have some cleaning ability. DG 111 is a pure sealant with no cleaning ability.

 

[RippyD]

As usual I washed with McKee's N-914 rinseless concentration.

Flooding it with the hose.

DG 111, Track Claw, and Sonax PNS still working. Sonax is a little behind the other two. FK 1000 and Collinite 845 are working, but are so slowly I need to call them done. I reserve the right to say they're working if they bounce back next time, but they are very close to being indistinguishable from the rest of the hood. If I had to pick I'd say FK 1000 is doing a little better, but they're both dramatically slower than the 3 that are still working.

I could not get a good picture of Sonax PNS. It's working as well it was during the last test. It's clearly on the way out, but hanging on. Honorable mention for DG 105. While very slow is still doing a little work. It's performing about as well as FK 1000 and 845 are right now. The point is, it's still distinguishable on the hood while everything else is not.

 

[Cruzscarwash]

Dg111 how well does it shed dirt compared to fk1000p if you can even tell?

Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

 

[RippyD]

Sorry to say that I can't tell much difference in dirt shedding between any of the sealants. Maybe due to me testing in the rainy season? I've been waiting to see any difference in dirt appearance on either hood to grab a picture and I haven't once seen anything significant.

 

[RippyD]

Cost info for some of these sealants below. Show as cost per panel and cost per car per year based on the duration testing data. I multiplied the panel cost by 10 to estimate the cost of covering an entire car. I applied these to two doors of my Rover, weighting the product before and after. I weighted the applicator before and after as well when used.

You may want to consider application effort in addition to price. For example, FK 1000 is much lower cost than Dodo Future Armour, but Future Armour is much easier to apply and may be a better option.

Please let me know if this doesn't make sense and I'll adjust or try to explain better.

EDIT: graph fixes

 

[Cruzscarwash]

Cost info for some of these sealants below. Show as cost per panel and cost per car per year based on the duration testing data. I multiplied the panel cost by 10 to estimate the cost of covering an entire car. I applied these to two doors of my Rover, weighting the product before and after. I weighted the applicator before and after as well when used.

You may want to factor on application effort when considering price. For example, FK 1000 is much lower cost than Dodo Future Armour, but Future Armour is much easier to apply and may be a better option.

Please let me know if this doesn't make sense and I'll adjust or try to explain better.

Is that dollars or cents on the right??

Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

 

[RippyD]

Both sides are dollars. I updated the chart to show this on the axis labels. As an example, Dodo Future Armour is ~$0.05 per panel, or about $2.00 per car per year. ($0.05 per panel x 10 panels x 4x per year = ~$2 per year for the whole car. 4x per year because it lasts about 3 months). I can get a table of the data posted as well if people want to see it. The graph is hard to read at the lower end b/c the numbers are so small.

Changed the vertical axis (pl) so they align better - updated above.

I had to use 2.5x the amount of FK 1000 needed to be able to measure it. I have low confidence in that number since I was likely seeing scale variance. Point is, FK 1000 takes very little product. I think you could keep your car sealed with FK 1000 for well under $1 per year. Crazy value on that product.

 

[minerigger]

So the recent thread on best bang for your buck has me curious about how fk1000p wood stack up against collinite 476 double coat as far as long jevity and price per panel when doing the application as far as how you did your graph. I know you didn't use 476 so it's all speculation. Think I get 1000p and 476 and do some comparing on my Chevy. Think KAIO, KSG, 476, 845, 1000p.

Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

 

[acuRAS82]

Do you have 915 to include also?

 

[Cruzscarwash]

So the recent thread on best bang for your buck has me curious about how fk1000p wood stack up against collinite 476 double coat as far as long jevity and price per panel when doing the application as far as how you did your graph. I know you didn't use 476 so it's all speculation. Think I get 1000p and 476 and do some comparing on my Chevy. Think KAIO, KSG, 476, 845, 1000p.

Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

It's funny you bring this up because I have 476 being delivered today and will be doing half on my car with the other half wearing fk1000p. I want to see exactly how they both do and will do either weekly spray offs, or foam and rinse with monthly bucket washes. I really want to see how well they release and resist dirt

Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

 

[Themikerobe]

Thanks so much for all the effort and data Cruzecarwash! I hated having too pick products just based on people's opinions instead of good data.
Based on people's opinion, I bought DG111 last year as the first wax/sealant I've ever used and it was very durable (even through touchless coin-op washes) but man was it a magnet for dust and pollen! After I applied it, I also applied OCW once but that wears off in a couple weeks so I don't think that was a factor in the dust attention but I'm not sure. Here's a pic with the dust attraction and once the DG111 wore off, there was never a solid coating of dust sticking anymore - just the normal amount you would see on a car driving dirt roads.
View attachment 62833

I just ordered Sonax PNS due to your test so I'll compare the dust attraction of PNS, PNS/OCW, DG111, DG111/OCW, and OCW once I receive it.

 

[RippyD]

So the recent thread on best bang for your buck has me curious about how fk1000p wood stack up against collinite 476 double coat as far as long jevity and price per panel when doing the application as far as how you did your graph. I know you didn't use 476 so it's all speculation. Think I get 1000p and 476 and do some comparing on my Chevy. Think KAIO, KSG, 476, 845, 1000p.

Do you have 915 to include also?

Agree. I would like to test both 476 and 915. I don't have either. I've bought most of what I'm testing and have traded for a few others. Besides being a money issue, I hate buying full bottles/cans to use only a little. I have about 8 more products on hand to test. There are at least another dozen I want to test, maybe two dozen. I'll likely just buy them.

I know trading is an option. It doesn't work for me. Way too much hassle to bottle up and send. I had to send out ~20 sample a few months ago and it almost killed me. I still have about 5 samples to go out but I've somehow lost what is going to who. My inbox fills up and I have to start deleting messages when trading, and then it all goes sideways.

If you're reading this and I committed to send you something pls send me a reminder. Below is what I have bottled and ready to go. And whoever sent me the Sonus Acrylic Glanz pls remind me and I'll get it back to you. Pls don't try to scam me - I know who traded with me. No new trade requests, pls.

Ready to go and owed to a few of you:

Prima Wheel Armour
Prima Slick
HD Speed
Collinite 845
McKee's 360​

 

[RippyD]

To comment on the dirt shedding and dust pollen: I can't asses that much where I live due to the heavy amount of rain and dirty water splashing on the car. Maybe in June - Sept time frame I can get a better handle on these two.

 

[acuRAS82]

Rippy, no problem regarding the 915. I would send you a sample of 915 but I don’t even know how to portion out a paste wax or what I would put it in. Not to mention outgoing mail always takes weeks to get sent in my household as we just don’t do it very often.

 

[RippyD]

Np, and same here. Just a big pain in the behind for me. I see if I can find somebody local who has some stuff to share or wants to split some products. Somebody local to me is likely to end up with a lot of free product.

 

[ct18]

Sonax is also fairly clingy at least for me. I dont drive on dirt roads like that so not as noticeable.

 

[evtifosi]

RippyD - I am new to Autogeek, but I have followed this post for a while and enjoyed your tests and all the work you put in!!!

As an aside my wife worked for years in downtown Portland and her son currently lives just across the river in Vancouver, WA - so I am pretty familiar with your climate and locale...

 

[RippyD]

I did some soap testing and discovered that even a rinseless wash can mask the properties of a sealant. I don't think the results here are wrong, but this may explain some of the inconsistency I was seeing that I guessed was due to temperature. The question is what to do about it? Rinsing with a MF after washing helps some. Going forward I will likely either pressure wash and not use any soap or will use a rinseless and then PW afterward. Not sure which is better and am open to imput.

For today's pics I didn't wash - I used a pressure washer with no soap. The light was bad and don't have many usable pics.

On right side where I had the best longevity things are still working, but barely. You can see DG 111 and Track Claw starting to shed water after I flooded it with the hose. It's time to call these done.

Sonax PNS still doing something, but not much.

Interestingly, Paint Guard+ appears to have some life left in it which I hadn't seen recently when washing with soap. This one needs a retest.

Will try to get both hoods polished and sealants re-applied this weekend. Have some deck work and other stuff to do also - will have to see how it goes.

 

[SWETM]

If you have or would get some of carpro reset or gyeon bathe or Meguiars Hyper Wash that leaves nothing behind. A simple way if not washing the whole car is to have a spray bottle with the car soap solution. Rinse first then spray the hood and wash media and wash and rinse off.

Interesting that some have revived from the dead or almost done.