Sealant comparison

Very good review gregpack and is deserving of its own thread. You and rippyd are doing a great job determining which sealant is the toughest, just going about it with different methods. It’s great that you have access to a touchless car wash as I’ve often wondered the effect of car washes on sealants and paint. Where I live you can not choose to leave off the wax and just get a wash so I only take my mother’s car through. The wax definitely messes up any coating I have on the car. Drive on.
 
Rippy.
year is your Cayman? It’s a 2018, tried getting an older used model but gave up as couldn’t find what I wanted. (I wanted the flat six). DG 111 on Cayman looks great (GT metallic silver). Applied by itself. May try on my M4 next year ( its metallic grey n should look really good ). To many sealants n waxez n coatings n not enough cars.
 
Well, had this real estate on my hood being unused by the AIOs, so I thought I would test a couple of sprays in their old spots:

Shown is at (12 o'clock) Duragloss 931 with Aquawax mixed at detail spray strength, (6 o'clock)Meguiars express spray wax as an RTU product, and (3 o'clock)Optimum No rinse wash and wax. I'm going to have to double check my ratios but I believe I mixed it at 8 ounces/gallon.



Initial wash:




After Three washes:


So is it possible that Duragloss or Meguiars X-press spray wax is more durable than the protective qualities of the Meguiars D166 and HD Speed ? I may have to run some tests

As far as the rest of the vehicle, we're close to 24 washes in, or six months worth of touch free washes. I may try to accelerate failure on the hood by scrubbing with a foaming brush.
 
So the ONRWW and duragloss are holding up ? I think the AIOs really don’t last the oils or whatever fillers they have that bead come off with any sort of water and soap


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MattPersman said:
So the ONRWW and duragloss are holding up ? I think the AIOs really don’t last the oils or whatever fillers they have that bead come off with any sort of water and soap


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The optimum quit beading. Meguiars and Durgloss sprays are the products holding up. I predict Duragloss will be the wash durability winner. RippyD's longevity test indicated both lasted about the same amount of time ( 8 weeks or so). I do like Meguiar's Xpress Wax because of it's ease of use and versatility (including interior wipe down). But price per ounce on the duragloss is going to be really good. Taking autogeeks retail price Meguiars is $9.50/qt as an RTU product, Duragloss is mixed up as a detail spray at $4.50 a quart.
 
Duragloss 931 as a detailer is awesome! The durability is very good,it looks good,and it leaves a slick finish. Top Notch stuff.
 
AllenK said:
Duragloss 931 as a detailer is awesome! The durability is very good,it looks good,and it leaves a slick finish. Top Notch stuff.
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agreed, no need to buy aquawax. i dilute this 10:1 (my preference) and it works very well..
i was never impressed with onrww, had a gallon barely used it and got rid of it...
 
Cruzscarwash said:
A few things are they failing or just being masked because of the soaps/chemicals used?? Maybe try a reset wash and then drive through again just to make sure??

Also so I'm clear in case I missed something this is a touchless wash correct so no brushes??

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Sometimes, even after a touchless wash, a residue can remain on the surface.

One of the cars I do gets a touchless wash, and they maintain it with Megs Ultimate Waterless Wash & Wax. I put M21 on it over the summer, like mid July. Still beading pretty good, but I'm going to be applying DG111 to it in a week or so for the winter.
 
gregpack said:
I'm going to assume not necessary because all the products are getting the same treatment. You can see which ones are still beading nicely HOWEVER, I will say that if I spray water on my dry hood many of these products are still beading. So they may still be offering some level of protection. I'll be the first to admit that this "study" is unscientific, but if greater hydrophobic qualities= greater protection then you can make some assumptions by their observed behavior.



Correct, this is a touch free wash. I have a friction wash I may try soon and attempt to accelerate failure of products.
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I've witnessed a couple products do well in a friction wash environment.

Probably the most remarkable to me was Collinite 476s, but the brushes there were really soft and broken in. There were only three per side.

The others were the original formula Turtle Wax Ice Paste, and at the other car wash with four side washers per side was Duragloss 111 on the bosses black Lincoln, and believe it or not Zymol Concours on his corvette. Granted, the Lincoln was washed weekly, and the vette was washed a couple times a month.

The 476s was on a customer car, and I only saw it a a few times.

Ice Paste was on the manager's car. In the spring I asked if he waxes his car because the beading was still there.

111 died in about six months, maybe a little earlier on the sides.

He sold the vette before I saw any degradation.
 
OK, Guys, I washed in one of my hand bay by spraying the hood with self serve presoak, then scrubbing normally with a foam brush. This did indeed accelerate failure of several products.

Anyway, 25 washes and six weeks in:






The foam brush scrubbing did the turtle wax ultimate paste, TW xpress spray wax, and duragloss 105 in. It weakened the others.

I'm giving a thumbs up to Duragloss 501, Sonax PNS, Jescar Powerlock and Collonite 845 for withstanding the onslaught of alkaline presoaks. If I continued this test I predict Collonite would outlast them all because it is more hydrophobic than the others.

As far as the the shootout between the xpress spay wax, ONR with wax (at detail spray strength), and duragloss 931, I'm about eight washes in and as you can see the duragloss is the winner! It's a little smeary and requires two towels, but I really do like this product. It's lasted as long or longer than Optimum Optiseal. Most of you guys are going to finish up a job with a spray wax or detail spray, so I recommend you try a bottle.

The true disappointments in this durability test were the AIOs(Klasse, HDSpeed, and Meguiars 166) and HD Poxy (again a 2016 version of this product. A newer veriosn is supposedly more durable).

Following this round I'm culling optiseal because Duragloss 931 lasted longer in both RippyDs longevity test AND my durability test. However, I'm willing to hear from you guys as to why I should keep it around. And unless someone can point me to a benefit of DG 105 I'm cutting it in favor of just using 501. And although I have some 601 on hand I'm getting rid of it too. Frankly I just don't see a need for it with 501 holding up as well as it is.

I'm going to conduct one more brief test run and will try a couple of new things:

  • I'm going to try McKees 360 as a potential AIO since several posters on this site claim it has both decent cut and good longevity.
  • I'm also going to try topping one or more AIOs with a spray (UFF and/or Duragloss 931) and see how that improves durability. If I can get 12 washes out of an AIO topped with an easy to apply and inexpensive spray wax I'm good with that. However, I'm not going to wait hours for the base product to cure. The cover product is going on within 15 minutes or so of the base, simulating a paid express detail job.
  • I'm going to retest optimum no rinse with wax at a very concentrated ratio and see if I can get any more durability.
  • Finally I'm going to try 303 spray wax since it fared so well in RippyDs longevity tests and is priced reasonable enough. It may be serious competition for some more expensive products.
 
BTW, RippyD, If you need any products I have tested I'll be glad to send you some samples.
 
Thanks for the update as it looks like I picked a few winners based on your earlier data! For the winter I have Sonax PNS on my daughters car(which only gets washed when she comes to my house for a visit. I can test out the cordless Sunjoe portable pressure washer when gets above 38 degrees,model SPX6001C-XR) and my truck has Collinite 845 . The Porsche has Duragloss 111 on it
 
Well, guys, I'm going to do a quick and dirty phase two of my experiment. I'm going to try a couple other products I didn't have room for on my first run and in an effort to extend the life of the the two AIOs I'm going to top them afterwards with a spray wax and ultimate fast finish.

The hood was polished lightly (2 quick passes)and wiped down twice with a 20% IPA solution. Wipe On wipe off products were allowed a 20 minutes dwell time before removal. An additional 20 minutes was allowed before topping the two AIOs. I think this is important to note because most products request a longer cure time for the base coat. However, in a commercial setting that is not always practical. So my test is to see that if they can be effectively topped in a time efficient manor.

On the driver's side of the hood I'm attempting to test topping Meguiars d166 and HD Speed. In the very rear panel square it will be the AIO only left un-topped, in the spot in front of it it will be topped with Meguiar's synthetic x-press wax and in the front Meguiar's ultimate fast finish.

On the far passenger side, I'm also testing 303 Spray wax because of RippyD's good luck with it, and giving Optimum No Rinse wash and wax its' best shot at a 4:1 dilution, stronger than recommended. In the middle spot is the Duragloss rinseless mixed at detail spray strength as a control.

In other spots I'm trying the Mckees 360 because several posts here claimed good durability. I have used the Malco flash wax in the past. It has good cleaners and is easy on-easy off and can be sprayed on. Natty's carnuba paste was also tested, just because I had an extra spot.

 
It rained around the 48 hour mark, but I waited another 24 hours before washing. First Wash results: Kinda disappointing:





 
Observations:

ONRWW did not survive even one wash, even at 4:1

303 spray wax was a big disappointment, also failing quickly.

As a topper on an AIO applied a short time after the base coat , it appears that X-Press Spray wax works better than Fast Finish. UFF actually endured more washes on top of just a polished surface. Perhaps it is the evaporation of carrier solvents in the AIOs that is impairing the bonding of UFF. Again, these results may be different if the topping product was applied 12+ hours apart.

MkKEES 360 does indeed to be slightly more chemical resistant than both Meguiar's 166 and HDSPEED, but the Duragloss spray looks like it might outlast it. That also supports using a polish covered with a good spray instead of an AIO.


Any thoughts?
 
gregpack said:
OK, Guys, I washed in one of my hand bay by spraying the hood with self serve presoak, then scrubbing normally with a foam brush. This did indeed accelerate failure of several products.

Anyway, 25 washes and six weeks in:






The foam brush scrubbing did the turtle wax ultimate paste, TW xpress spray wax, and duragloss 105 in. It weakened the others.

I'm giving a thumbs up to Duragloss 501, Sonax PNS, Jescar Powerlock and Collonite 845 for withstanding the onslaught of alkaline presoaks. If I continued this test I predict Collonite would outlast them all because it is more hydrophobic than the others.

As far as the the shootout between the xpress spay wax, ONR with wax (at detail spray strength), and duragloss 931, I'm about eight washes in and as you can see the duragloss is the winner! It's a little smeary and requires two towels, but I really do like this product. It's lasted as long or longer than Optimum Optiseal. Most of you guys are going to finish up a job with a spray wax or detail spray, so I recommend you try a bottle.

The true disappointments in this durability test were the AIOs(Klasse, HDSpeed, and Meguiars 166) and HD Poxy (again a 2016 version of this product. A newer veriosn is supposedly more durable).

Following this round I'm culling optiseal because Duragloss 931 lasted longer in both RippyDs longevity test AND my durability test. However, I'm willing to hear from you guys as to why I should keep it around. And unless someone can point me to a benefit of DG 105 I'm cutting it in favor of just using 501. And although I have some 601 on hand I'm getting rid of it too. Frankly I just don't see a need for it with 501 holding up as well as it is.

I'm going to conduct one more brief test run and will try a couple of new things:

  • I'm going to try McKees 360 as a potential AIO since several posters on this site claim it has both decent cut and good longevity.
  • I'm also going to try topping one or more AIOs with a spray (UFF and/or Duragloss 931) and see how that improves durability. If I can get 12 washes out of an AIO topped with an easy to apply and inexpensive spray wax I'm good with that. However, I'm not going to wait hours for the base product to cure. The cover product is going on within 15 minutes or so of the base, simulating a paid express detail job.
  • I'm going to retest optimum no rinse with wax at a very concentrated ratio and see if I can get any more durability.
  • Finally I'm going to try 303 spray wax since it fared so well in RippyDs longevity tests and is priced reasonable enough. It may be serious competition for some more expensive products.
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Crazy to me that DG 931 (a rinseless wash with Aquawax) would outlast opti-seal. Am I missing something?
 
AZpolisher15 said:
Crazy to me that DG 931 (a rinseless wash with Aquawax) would outlast opti-seal. Am I missing something?
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Everything I've read is that Opti-seal is not very durable at all. And from my experience I find that to be true.
 
AZpolisher15 said:
Crazy to me that DG 931 (a rinseless wash with Aquawax) would outlast opti-seal. Am I missing something?
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I’m really liking the DG 931 as a Rinseless and a quick detailer. RippyD has 931 as a QD lasting average of 10.6 weeks. Which is better than 99% of the QD’s in the sample. Gregpack is showing that it will resist alkaline cleaners. Added bonus. Couple those results with the fact that it is cheaper than anything out there by far. Credit to RippyD’s chart, the DG931 is $.06 per oz. at a 1:5.33oz. dilution. I only use 2 ounces 16oz. so I am at $.04 for a bottle of QD. That’s utterly rediculous. That is 15 times less than most other QD’s, lasts longer, and is slicker than most.

I want to personally thank Rippy D and others for making this the most informative thread ever put on this forum. They have helped me make some great decisions and stop chasing the next new thing.

I also think AG should have a “Rippy D Sale” of all the best performing products in this test!
 
AZpolisher15 said:
Crazy to me that DG 931 (a rinseless wash with Aquawax) would outlast opti-seal. Am I missing something?
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I’m really liking the DG 931 as a Rinseless and a quick detailer. RippyD has 931 as a QD lasting average of 10.2 weeks. Which is better than 99% of the QD’s in the sample. Gregpack is showing that it will resist alkaline cleaners. Added bonus. Couple those results with the fact that it is cheaper than anything out there by far. Credit to RippyD’s chart, the DG931 is $.06 per oz. at a 1:5.33oz. dilution. I only use 2 ounces 16oz. so I am at $.04 for a bottle of QD. That’s utterly rediculous. That is the cheapest QD on the market, it lasts longer, and is slicker than most. That makes me almost giddy everytime I use it.

I want to personally thank Rippy D and others for making this the most informative thread ever put on this forum. They have helped me make some great decisions and stop chasing the next new thing.

I also think AG should have a “Rippy D Sale” of all the best performing products in this test!
 
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