Sealant comparison

[davidc]

Does anyone know if 931/932 actually contains a wax component or is that just marketing speak for polymers?

No wax. It is supposedly Aqua Wax which makes it puzzling on how 931/932 can outlast straight Aqua Wax.

Dave

 

[RippyD]

Agree it is puzzling and it's the reason I've tested it more than once. Will continue to do so. Maybe my Aquawax is too old? Not sure how/why it would be outlasting AW. Regarding the rations, I did try it at different ratios. In the summer is was very streaky at 5:1 to so it makes sense that I went to 8:1. If I recall I went back to 5:1 to see if it it changed the longevity.

Been away too long. Work and home activities have been killing me. I did get updates every few weeks. Most of the products are done so I almost have a clean slate to start with again. Will get an update posted this weekend and get the spreadsheet updated.

The good news is I've spent a ton of time using an orbital. The bad news is I've been spending it using this this orbital working on my decks rather than my GG6 on my cars. (This is a good sander, btw.)

Thanks for your patience.

 

[Ochnob]

Page 16 post 159 states 8:1. Was that a mistake ?

Dave

Interesting. I will take your word for it. I assumed he used it at the dilution rate he has in his google doc spreadsheet which was 1:5.33. If it is 1:8 that’s even better. That’s the ratio I use it as. My wife’s van has it on at that ratio for about a 1.5 months and it has been on a 1400 mile thanksgiving trip and was left outside for about 2 weeks.
To get the maximum gloss I use a full strength layer of AW 951. And then top it with the 931 for the extended durability protection. Not sure the final outcome. This is the first time it tried it this way. This sealant comparison test gave me the idea to do it that way due to 931 holding up much better than AW. It’s seems to be working.

Cruz.... I did just go outside tot the garage to do a couple windows again. Left the glass really slick. It worked well with no streaking at 1:8. Although it is on like 38 degrees out right now.


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[Ochnob]

Does anyone know if 931/932 actually contains a wax component or is that just marketing speak for polymers?

It contains Aquawax 951 which is fully synthetic. No carnuba.


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[dlc95]

Sorry DLC. I haven’t tried as a clay lube. I have ONR and 914 that u sue for that. Mainly the 914.


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No worries!

I've been using the ONR foe a few years now, and it works great.

I picked up some DG 921 Fast Clean & Shine. It's their quick detailer, but it seems a bit thick for a clay lube.

I do love it though. Super slick finish.

 

[Cruzscarwash]

Awesome, thanks man

Interesting. I will take your word for it. I assumed he used it at the dilution rate he has in his google doc spreadsheet which was 1:5.33. If it is 1:8 that’s even better. That’s the ratio I use it as. My wife’s van has it on at that ratio for about a 1.5 months and it has been on a 1400 mile thanksgiving trip and was left outside for about 2 weeks.
To get the maximum gloss I use a full strength layer of AW 951. And then top it with the 931 for the extended durability protection. Not sure the final outcome. This is the first time it tried it this way. This sealant comparison test gave me the idea to do it that way due to 931 holding up much better than AW. It’s seems to be working.

Cruz.... I did just go outside tot the garage to do a couple windows again. Left the glass really slick. It worked well with no streaking at 1:8. Although it is on like 38 degrees out right now.


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[RippyD]

No worries!

I've been using the ONR foe a few years now, and it works great.

I picked up some DG 921 Fast Clean & Shine. It's their quick detailer, but it seems a bit thick for a clay lube.

I do love it though. Super slick finish.

Agree on ONR. Most of the popular wash & shine products seem great and I'd be happy with any of them. Like most QDs DG 921 doesn't last very long. I loved using it on wife's black 4Runner (now gone). 921 made it pop like crazy. When we sold it the new owner wanted to know exactly what I did to get it looking so good and beading so well. It was Aquawax that was topped with 921 right before he came to test drive it.

 

[RippyD]

Finally updating. Sorry for the delay. Work has just been killing me, + teenagers, + holidays, and other stuff. Something seems to have changed with Google photos - I can no longer get my photos or animations there to work in imgur. Spent too much time trying to figure this out.

Summary: One product was still working on the Rover hood and a few on the Sentra hood. These were all done in early November. You can check the spreadsheet for details. Sonus SFX-4 finished at about 28 weeks. It could have been a little less, but I went a few weeks without testing. I think saying it's in the range of the best sealants I've tested so far and could last up to 6 months seems fair.

Sentra hood: All done in early November. Only Reload and DG 931 were still going. I skipped a few weeks and it's likely one of both these failed earlier than I tested. So these numbers are potentially generous for these products. I seem to be getting less performance from Reload than are other people, and DG 931 as a QD seems to to last far longer than I would expect. Would not hurt to test both these again.

Boxster hood: as of mid-November BeadMax, RejeX, and DG FC & S + AW were all working slowly. It's been 6 weeks since I tested these. Will try to get to them in the next day or two. I'd expect they're all done by now. Boxster video link.

 

[RippyD]

As expected everything on the Boxster hood is done. I tested 6 weeks ago so I'll split the difference and call those products done as of Dec 6th. At least one of these needs a re-rest. DG FC&S+AW going for 2 months seems long, although AW has gone for that long so perhaps it's possible.

The surprises for me on the Boxster tests are RejeX and BeadMax. Given their short lifespans either his hard to recommend over a Spray-on-wipe-off like Dodo Future Armour.

Spreadsheet is updated.

Video of the Boxster hood is about 1:20 of nothing happening.

 

[RippyD]

Seven products added to the Rover passenger side doors. Seven products total. 3 new ones and 4 repeats.

Products applied

• Duragloss 104 Paste Wax
• Finish Kare #215 AIO
• Gyeon CanCoat
• CarPro Reload (repeat)
• Dodo Future Armour (repeat)
• OptiSeal (repeat)
• Duragloss 931 as a QD (repeat)

Prep: I washed the doors with Reset, dried, then polished with McKee's Prep Coating Polish using a Lake Country black pad. Wife then drove it , so I washed with Reset again, then dried and applied products.

Application: Applied outside on a sunny day and ~48 degrees. The paste waxes took a whole to dry. I gave them at least 45 mins before buffing. Plan is to put in in heated garage tonight. These should stay dry for another day or two. Hoping this is adequate for CanCoat.

Spreadsheet is updated.

EDIT: Car was outside all night rather than garaged as expected. It'll get about 8 hours in a 70 degree garage today then back outside tonight. Rain expected tomorrow. These products will have about 40 hours outside in 30-50 degree weather and no moisture + 8 hours inside at 70 degrees. If I can garage it again tomorrow it will add another 8 hours at 70 degrees. Probably not necessary, but want to give these a chance to adequately cure.

Edit 2: I was concerned about CanCoat not getting enough heat to cure. Made a little tent out of a plastic drop cloth and stuck my garage electric radiator under it. Currently 83 degrees under there. (Pic is looking up at the side of the car. That's a rake handle I'm using as a tent pole.)

 

[davidc]

DG104 ?. Do you mean 105 ?

Dave

 

[RippyD]

DG104 ?. Do you mean 105 ?

Dave

104 Paste Wax.

 

[davidc]

Interesting, something I did not know. Thanks

Dave

 

[Rez90]

Cliffs on the consensus of the most durable and long lasting product?

 

[RippyD]

Hard to summarize for everyone because of different needs and preferences. If you like to wax your car and live where it's sunny, any of the products at last 4-8 weeks would be great. They'll give you more shine and will repel water. Where I live this isn't an option for 5 months out of the year.

For my conditions, Sonax PNS is a great option because of the longevity and easy application. Many of the rub-on-buff-off products are also excellent: FK 1000, Collinite 845, DG 111 and DG Track Claw all did about 6 months in winter. (Collinite is arguably the best looking. Side-by-side I couldn't find anybody who could tell me which one looked better.)

Coatings are longer lasting by far. Also more expensive, probably take more prep time, and may take some maintenance, especially if you live where it rains a lot.

Many good products here. If I could only have one it would probably be Sonax PNS. I can reapply PNS on a small car in 30 minutes or less. To be fair, the other products long-lasting products don't take much longer, you just have to wait for them to cure. If you use DG 601 with the DG 111 or Track Claw you can reduce the curing time dramatically.

To repeat what many before me have said: If you like to wax your car and can do it more frequently using a spray wax every few weeks will give great results. I would love to wax after washing every 3-4 weeks and always have a great looking car. A spray wax that can be used while drying is probably my favorite way to apply sealant. I'm drying anyway, so no additional effort. And I know that paint is as clean as it's going to get.

 

[RippyD]

Can't edit my latest new product post so posting an update: Rover is back in the garage and the products are getting heat again. (Not sure if helps at this point.) Those products will have ~16 hours of ~80 degree temps + a 1.5 days exposed to colder temps outside. By tonight it will be out in the rain. Hope that's enough time + temp for CanCoat to cure.

I'll wash and do some testing early next week. I don't want to wash the coating too soon.

Edit: Wife doesn't work tonight so the Rover will get another 12 hours of garage time. Total will be ~28 of 80 degree temps + 2 days of cool and dry weather before it goes into the rain.

 

[RippyD]

About two weeks in Reload is not doing well. Everything else is working fine with DG 932 as a QD being a little slower than the others. I may tape off the passenger door and re-apply Reload to give it another chance. Really struggling with this product.

This video is almost 3 mins long and hard to watch. My phone does not want to focus on the white paint, so getting clear video is difficult. I may need to use multiple still shots. I have a video from a week ago that's similar Reload looked better than, but still not great.

I also applied 5 products to the Sentra couple of weeks ago. Same products on both sides. Passenger side washed with CarPro Reset 2x and then products were applied. Driver's side got washed, de-ironed, clayed, finishing polish, McKee's Prep polish, and the alcohol wipe down (likely redundant). I wanted to see if prep has any impact on product longevity. (They aren't in the same order on both sides - I put them on randomly in case position was a factor.)

I got videos of these over the past couple of weeks but the terrible. I can't get my phone to focus on the white paint. I'll re-test in the next day or two and take notes. The side that got prep work does seem to be doing better, but the paint with no product is also doing better on that side.

 

[RippyD]

Sentra update. It's blindingly bright outside - will have to see if I can get the video or pics to be usable later. I grabbed a notepad a did this the old-school way of testing one door and taking notes.

Drivers's side (side the was polished):

• McKee's Fast Wax: water running off quickly, but NO perceivable difference with the area next to it with no product. It's done already? Head scratcher
• BF Crystal: Water sheeting more slowly than McKee's Fast, but 100% sheeting. McKee's had some drops left on the panel. This doesn't
• Rupes 808: Very similar to Crystal Seal - slower than areas with no product
• 303 Spray Wax: Very similar to Crystal Seal and Rupes 808 - slower than areas with no product
• Opt Spray Wax: Same as McKee's Fast Wax, sheeting near 100%

Passenger side (no polishing):

• McKee's Fast Wax: Sheeting somewhat slowly (maybe 15 seconds)
• BF Crystal: Sheeting quickly, a little more slowly than Opt Spray Wax
• Rupes 808: Slower than others, slower than adjacent area with no product, 100% sheeting
• 303 Spray Wax: Same as McKee's Fast Wax
• Opt Spray Wax: Clearing quickly and completely

This is all a little confusing. It's possible McKee's and Opt Spray wax are done on the driver's side since I'm not seeing any difference. Also possible that the areas with no product are sheeting product quickly due to polishing oils? Just don't know how to explain it. (Could there be polishing oil left after McKee's prep and alcohol wipe?)

Will have to keep testing and see how it goes. A better way to go next time would be the same products adjacent to each other on polishing and un-polished areas.

 

[RippyD]

Had a couple of hours free and it's above freezing. Wife has the Rover so will try to check it later today. For now...

Sentra Update
EDIT: I'm scratching the Driver's side tests and will start over. They have been removed from the spreadsheet.
Driver's Side:

• Still confusing. The fastest clearing areas are the two on the driver's door with no product.
• The next fastest is Opt Spray Wax
• Everything else is equally slow and appears to not be working
• At this point point I'm temped to call this a do-over. The polished areas are almost acting like an AIO.

Passenger Side: (video here)

• Opt Spray Wax working the best, followed by 303 Spray Wax
• Everything else appears to be done

Will get videos uploaded later when I have time to review them and make sure I can see anything. Pretty dark out today, which may help on the white paint. Updating spreadsheet now.

 

[SWETM]

Strange that the bare paint behavior is behaving like that. What protection have you had before on those panels?

Thanks for still makeing updates and new testing! Have missed the last couple of updates you have done.

/ Tony