SEMA 2024

[MisterSnoop]

So do we think there will be any Day 2 product introductions, or did we see all the new stuff yesterday?

I believe P&S said they had something to introduce so there's more to come.

 

[MisterSnoop]

I can see the hyper wash fitting on more shelves at AutoZone, etc in the smaller size. Price at more like $15 would seem more attractive.

RTU for their other products like hyper dressing means it's prediluted which wouldn't be the case here as that would be ridiculous.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

I can see the hyper wash fitting on more shelves at AutoZone, etc in the smaller size. Price at more like $15 would seem more attractive.

Yes, I agree that is the likely market and price, it's just I don't think the typical AutoZone customer is measuring their wash out, and that a bottle half the size at the same price as other soaps isn't going to sell well.

 

[MisterSnoop]

P&S Reflect Glass Finisher

Pre-Release Product Announcement

Soon we will welcome Reflect Glass Finisher to our arsenal.

Reflect is a product that provides crystal clear slickness and clarity to all glass surfaces both inside and out.

Utilizing si02 technology, it leaves a protective layer that prevents fogging, uv degradation and provides extreme hydrophobic properties to shed water away from the surface. Reflect also makes glass easier to clean in the future and keeps that amazing optical clarity.
Did we mention it’s a DREAM to use

Stay tuned for release date , but we promise we won’t make you wait long.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

Well, that's pretty cool that Reflect prevents UV degradation of glass...I didn't realize that was a thing (because it isn't). I'm also a bit skeptical of the anti-fogging, because anything that provides "extreme hydrophobic properties" also fogs very easily on surfaces, IME.

 

[grambow]

Yeah, but what does that do? I mean how does that help get the hair out?

I believe the general logic with a fabric softener solution is that it releases the static charge between the hair and carpet, thus making it easier to vacuum. I use a homemade FS solution when dealing with really bad hair. It helps but I wouldn't say its game changing. FWIW, I use the solution in combination with a Fureel and/or Lilly brush.

 

[chilly]

Very excited to test out the new Hyper Wash!

I've been waiting for a tweak to that product for a LONG time. My only gripes were the viscosity, packaging, and smelling that same cherry scent for over a decade haha

If it is 99% the same, just thinner, I would buy it

Which brings up the question, do manufacturers intentionally thicken soaps to make consumers think it makes it better somehow?

Like more lubricity, or somehow thicker means more concentrated?

I don't give a rats @$$ if a soap is water thin in the bottle if it does what it needs to do, and in fact I prefer thinner soaps

 

[Setec Astronomy]

Which brings up the question, do manufacturers intentionally thicken soaps to make consumers think it makes it better somehow?

Yes. Dr. G used to say that they put "salt" into most soaps (I think that's the chemist talking, I think he meant "a salt" as opposed to table salt) to thicken them, but Optimum Car Wash was thick because it had so many polymers in it, no thickening agents needed. Take that with a grain of salt.

I don't give a rats @$$ if a soap is water thin in the bottle if it does what it needs to do, and in fact I prefer thinner soaps

Certainly makes it easier to measure out.

 

[MisterSnoop]

If it is 99% the same, just thinner, I would buy it

Which brings up the question, do manufacturers intentionally thicken soaps to make consumers think it makes it better somehow?

Like more lubricity, or somehow thicker means more concentrated?

I don't give a rats @$$ if a soap is water thin in the bottle if it does what it needs to do, and in fact I prefer thinner soaps

I've considered diluting it like 1:1 with distilled water.

 

[MisterSnoop]

From Griot's -

durability on the Ceramic Glass Coating Kit is ~12 mo on the windshield, ~2 yr on side windows, etc. kit will cover 4-6 cars.

durability on Ceramic Vinyl & Rubber Protectant is 1-2 months.

they mentioned new RW can be used on interiors. i know that's a feature some ppl like.

they'll have another stream in a few weeks to cover release dates but most will be early next year. Ceramic Vinyl & Rubber Protectant is available now.

 

[Mgavin1985]

Hope this doesn’t PO anybody. P & S products never really a fan maybe haven’t tried enough but there like chemical guys to me.

Talking about soap anybody ever try nano skin soap it either 800/1 or 1000/1 . It’s higher than megs hyper wash that I use. 400/1

The highest soap I ever use was britemax before they disappeared which was 1400/1 ratio

 

[MisterSnoop]

Koch Chemie

Hydro Plast Care is dilutable up to 4:1 to adjust shine. ~10 wk durability on Ceramic Effect Shampoo (berry almond scent). Ceramic Body/Rim due 1Q25. Mzr is like greenstar, same pH but safe for interiors. Pump sprayers are made by Kwaazar.

Hydro Plast Care​

Hydro Plast Care

A water-dilutable plastic care concentrate with a subtle vanilla fragrance for refreshing plastic and rubber parts fo...

www.koch-chemie.com

Water-Dilutable Plastic Care

A water-dilutable plastic care concentrate with a subtle vanilla fragrance for refreshing plastic and rubber parts for the interior and exterior. Hydro Plast Care is free of solvents and the gloss level can be adjusted by diluting with water. Surfaces are protected against soiling and UV radiation while maintaining a factory finish.

Ceramic Effect Shampoo​

Ceramic Effect Shampoo

Ceramic Effect Shampoo is the care shampoo with sealing effect for hand washing. It cleans and seals surfaces for a l...

www.koch-chemie.com

Care shampoo with long-term sealing effect

Ceramic Effect Shampoo is the care shampoo with sealing effect for hand washing. It cleans and seals surfaces for a long time in just one step. The preservation technology consists of a new combination of cleaning and care formulation and therefore creates a smooth, haptically soft and highly hydrophobic surface with a very good deep gloss. The quick and easy-to-use shampoo is ideal for surfaces that have already been coated, e.g. with Ceramic Body or Spray Sealant, and can increase the service life of the respective coating. With a pleasantly fresh berry-almond fragrance.

Ceramic Body Cb0.01​

Ceramic Body Cb0.01

Ceramic Body Cb0.01 is a ceramic coating and is used on painted bodywork surfaces to provide long-term protection. Th...

www.koch-chemie.com

Ceramic sealing for painted vehicle surfaces

Ceramic Body Cb0.01 is a ceramic coating and is used on painted bodywork surfaces to provide long-term protection. The very thin protective layer is permanently bonded to the surface through a chemical reaction. Ceramic Body Cb0.01 creates a very good beading behavior (lotus effect). Thanks to the easy-to-clean properties, the treated surface can also be gently and easily cleaned by hand. The protective layer is retained even after the use of acidic and alkaline cleaning agents. The hardened ceramic seal protects the paintwork from environmental influences such as oxidation, salt, acids and insects for much longer. Ceramic Body Cb0.01 thus makes a significant contribution to maintaining or increasing the value of the vehicle. Expected durability can be upwards of 36 months, and layering (up to two coats) is possible. Please note the washing and care instructions.

Ceramic Rims Cr0.01​

Ceramic Rims Cr0.01

Ceramic Rims Cr0.01 is a ceramic coating that provides painted rims with long-lasting protection. The protective laye...

www.koch-chemie.com

Ceramic Coating for painted rims

Ceramic Rims Cr0.01 is a ceramic coating that provides painted rims with long-lasting protection. The protective layer bonds permanently to the surface through a chemical reaction, creating a very good beading behaviour (lotus effect). Thanks to the easy-to-clean properties, the treated surface can also be cleaned gently and easily by hand washing. The protective layer remains intact even after the use of acidic and alkaline cleaners. The hardened ceramic sealant protects the rim's paintwork for much longer against environmental influences such as salt and brake dust build-up, making cleaning and maintenance easier. The service life is up to 12 months, depending on the maintenance. Ceramic Rims Cr0.01 can be double-coated. Please follow the washing and care instructions.

Allround Textile Sealant​

Allround Textile Sealant

Allround Textile Sealant protects all types of textiles against water, dirt and stains without impairing the look and...

www.koch-chemie.com

Premium Textile Sealant

Allround Textile Sealant protects all types of textiles against water, dirt and stains without impairing the look and feel. The water-based premium textile sealant is free from solvents and fluorocarbon resins. Allround Textile Sealant with its pleasant fresh fragrance is therefore suitable for indoor and outdoor textiles. The sealing components ensure an easy-to-clean effect and a long service life. Depending on the textile fiber, application purpose, wear and care, the durability is up to 24 months (comparable to up to 50 wash cycles at 30 degrees).

Mzr (Mehrzweckreiniger)​

Mehrzweckreiniger

Highly effective alkaline intensive cleaner for cars, industrial and building cleaning. Deep, thorough removal of oil...

www.koch-chemie.com

Interior & special cleaner

Highly effective alkaline intensive cleaner for cars, industrial and building cleaning. Deep, thorough removal of oil, greases, ink, soot, nicotine and common road dirt. For plastics, textiles, upholstery, machinery, etc. Mehrzweckreiniger has an excellent dirt dissolving and carrying capacity. Provides a pleasant scent for the surroundings. With Daimler approval.

Pressure Sprayer alkaline 1,5l​

Pressure Sprayer alkaline 1,5l

The Pressure Sprayer Series was developed to enable process safety when working. Extremely robust 1.5L pressure pump ...

www.koch-chemie.com

The Pressure Sprayer Series was developed to enable process safety when working. Extremely robust 1.5L pressure pump sprayer for processing neutral and alkaline products. Thanks to the flexible suction hose, the device can also be used rotated up to 360°. With adjustable spray pattern and EPDM seals.

Pressure Sprayer acid 1,5l​

Pressure Sprayer acid 1,5l

The Pressure Sprayer Series was developed to enable process safety when working. Extremely robust 1.5L pressure pump ...

www.koch-chemie.com

The Pressure Sprayer Series was developed to enable process safety when working. Extremely robust 1.5L pressure pump sprayer for processing neutral and acidic products. The adjustable spray head means that even hard-to-reach areas can be reached. The adjustable nozzle can be used to vary between nebulization and jet. The special FPM seal is ideal for acidic media.

Pressure Foam Sprayer 2l​

Pressure Foam Sprayer 2l

The Pressure Sprayer Series was developed to enable process safety when working. Extremely robust 2L pressure pump sp...

www.koch-chemie.com

The Pressure Sprayer Series was developed to enable process safety when working. Extremely robust 2L pressure pump sprayer for processing neutral and alkaline products. With interchangeable nozzles for little to a lot of foam and EPDM seals.

Pro Pressure Sprayer acid 6l​

Pro Pressure Sprayer acid 6l

The Pressure Sprayer Series was developed to enable process safety during work. Sprayer with high chemical resistance...

www.koch-chemie.com

The Pressure Sprayer Series was developed to enable process safety during work. Sprayer with high chemical resistance for the application of acidic mixtures. Ideal for cleaning surfaces, floors and walls. The special FPM seal is ideal for acidic media. The practical funnel makes filling easy. The lance is 50 cm long. Pressure: 3.5 bar

Pro Pressure Sprayer alkaline 6l​

Pro Pressure Sprayer alkaline 6l

The Pressure Sprayer Series was developed to enable process safety when working. Sprayer with high chemical resistanc...

www.koch-chemie.com

The Pressure Sprayer Series was developed to enable process safety when working. Sprayer with high chemical resistance for the application of alkaline mixtures. Ideal for cleaning surfaces, floors and walls. The special EPDM seal is ideal for alkaline media. The practical funnel makes filling easy. The lance is 50 cm long. Pressure: 3.5 bar

 

[chilly]

I've considered diluting it like 1:1 with distilled water.

Use distilled

@DFB was theorizing recently about the minerals in tap water breaking down pre-mixed soap solutions over time, like how I mix a gallon of foam cannon soap ahead of time

Probably something to be cautious of

 

[MisterSnoop]

Use distilled

@DFB was theorizing recently about the minerals in tap water breaking down pre-mixed soap solutions over time, like how I mix a gallon of foam cannon soap ahead of time

Probably something to be cautious of

there's also chance of bacteria etc that could be an issue if it sits too long.

 

[chilly]

there's also chance of bacteria etc that could be an issue if it sits too long.

Very good point

I have found "floaties" in my rinseless bucket like threads of something

They break down when you stir it so yeah, it's probably some kind of critter

 

[DFB]

What were they thinking, it looks absolutely ridiculous.

Just watched a video featuring Yvan, apparently the production versions will "look a lot better".

 

[DFB]

if Meguiar's only changed the scent of the original Hyper Wash, that might not go over well.

My hope is they made the formula less thick so they could compete with the current high-end shampoo options. Even at $19 for 32oz, it'd still be a good value compared to other options. They also need to ditch the "ready to use" marketing. Isn't all shampoo RTU? lol. Odd choice there imo

I'm a Hyper Wash convert, but there were three elements I would have tweaked. The ultra thick consistency, the scent and an easier rinse-off.

I agree with the RTU rubbish. The whole RTU Detailer line is aimed at retail sales instead of pro detailers.......................how do I put this.....................the RTU thing is about dumbing things down for the occasional user.

 

[SNP209]

I'm a Hyper Wash convert, but there were three elements I would have tweaked. The ultra thick consistency, the scent and an easier rinse-off.

I agree with the RTU rubbish. The whole RTU Detailer line is aimed at retail sales instead of pro detailers.......................how do I put this.....................the RTU thing is about dumbing things down for the occasional user.

You should try Turtle Wax Hybrid Solutions Pure Wash if you can get it over there. I think you'll really like it.

 

[DFB]

Koch Chemie

Hydro Plast Care is dilutable up to 4:1 to adjust shine. ~10 wk durability on Ceramic Effect Shampoo (berry almond scent). Ceramic Body/Rim due 1Q25. Mzr is like greenstar, same pH but safe for interiors. Pump sprayers are made by Kwaazar.

Hydro Plast Care​

Hydro Plast Care

A water-dilutable plastic care concentrate with a subtle vanilla fragrance for refreshing plastic and rubber parts fo...

www.koch-chemie.com

Water-Dilutable Plastic Care

A water-dilutable plastic care concentrate with a subtle vanilla fragrance for refreshing plastic and rubber parts for the interior and exterior. Hydro Plast Care is free of solvents and the gloss level can be adjusted by diluting with water. Surfaces are protected against soiling and UV radiation while maintaining a factory finish.

Ceramic Effect Shampoo​

Ceramic Effect Shampoo

Ceramic Effect Shampoo is the care shampoo with sealing effect for hand washing. It cleans and seals surfaces for a l...

www.koch-chemie.com

Care shampoo with long-term sealing effect

Ceramic Effect Shampoo is the care shampoo with sealing effect for hand washing. It cleans and seals surfaces for a long time in just one step. The preservation technology consists of a new combination of cleaning and care formulation and therefore creates a smooth, haptically soft and highly hydrophobic surface with a very good deep gloss. The quick and easy-to-use shampoo is ideal for surfaces that have already been coated, e.g. with Ceramic Body or Spray Sealant, and can increase the service life of the respective coating. With a pleasantly fresh berry-almond fragrance.

Ceramic Body Cb0.01​

Ceramic Body Cb0.01

Ceramic Body Cb0.01 is a ceramic coating and is used on painted bodywork surfaces to provide long-term protection. Th...

www.koch-chemie.com

Ceramic sealing for painted vehicle surfaces

Ceramic Body Cb0.01 is a ceramic coating and is used on painted bodywork surfaces to provide long-term protection. The very thin protective layer is permanently bonded to the surface through a chemical reaction. Ceramic Body Cb0.01 creates a very good beading behavior (lotus effect). Thanks to the easy-to-clean properties, the treated surface can also be gently and easily cleaned by hand. The protective layer is retained even after the use of acidic and alkaline cleaning agents. The hardened ceramic seal protects the paintwork from environmental influences such as oxidation, salt, acids and insects for much longer. Ceramic Body Cb0.01 thus makes a significant contribution to maintaining or increasing the value of the vehicle. Expected durability can be upwards of 36 months, and layering (up to two coats) is possible. Please note the washing and care instructions.

Ceramic Rims Cr0.01​

Ceramic Rims Cr0.01

Ceramic Rims Cr0.01 is a ceramic coating that provides painted rims with long-lasting protection. The protective laye...

www.koch-chemie.com

Ceramic Coating for painted rims

Ceramic Rims Cr0.01 is a ceramic coating that provides painted rims with long-lasting protection. The protective layer bonds permanently to the surface through a chemical reaction, creating a very good beading behaviour (lotus effect). Thanks to the easy-to-clean properties, the treated surface can also be cleaned gently and easily by hand washing. The protective layer remains intact even after the use of acidic and alkaline cleaners. The hardened ceramic sealant protects the rim's paintwork for much longer against environmental influences such as salt and brake dust build-up, making cleaning and maintenance easier. The service life is up to 12 months, depending on the maintenance. Ceramic Rims Cr0.01 can be double-coated. Please follow the washing and care instructions.

Allround Textile Sealant​

Allround Textile Sealant

Allround Textile Sealant protects all types of textiles against water, dirt and stains without impairing the look and...

www.koch-chemie.com

Premium Textile Sealant

Allround Textile Sealant protects all types of textiles against water, dirt and stains without impairing the look and feel. The water-based premium textile sealant is free from solvents and fluorocarbon resins. Allround Textile Sealant with its pleasant fresh fragrance is therefore suitable for indoor and outdoor textiles. The sealing components ensure an easy-to-clean effect and a long service life. Depending on the textile fiber, application purpose, wear and care, the durability is up to 24 months (comparable to up to 50 wash cycles at 30 degrees).

Mzr (Mehrzweckreiniger)​

Mehrzweckreiniger

Highly effective alkaline intensive cleaner for cars, industrial and building cleaning. Deep, thorough removal of oil...

www.koch-chemie.com

Interior & special cleaner

Highly effective alkaline intensive cleaner for cars, industrial and building cleaning. Deep, thorough removal of oil, greases, ink, soot, nicotine and common road dirt. For plastics, textiles, upholstery, machinery, etc. Mehrzweckreiniger has an excellent dirt dissolving and carrying capacity. Provides a pleasant scent for the surroundings. With Daimler approval.

Pressure Sprayer alkaline 1,5l​

Pressure Sprayer alkaline 1,5l

The Pressure Sprayer Series was developed to enable process safety when working. Extremely robust 1.5L pressure pump ...

www.koch-chemie.com

The Pressure Sprayer Series was developed to enable process safety when working. Extremely robust 1.5L pressure pump sprayer for processing neutral and alkaline products. Thanks to the flexible suction hose, the device can also be used rotated up to 360°. With adjustable spray pattern and EPDM seals.

Pressure Sprayer acid 1,5l​

Pressure Sprayer acid 1,5l

The Pressure Sprayer Series was developed to enable process safety when working. Extremely robust 1.5L pressure pump ...

www.koch-chemie.com

The Pressure Sprayer Series was developed to enable process safety when working. Extremely robust 1.5L pressure pump sprayer for processing neutral and acidic products. The adjustable spray head means that even hard-to-reach areas can be reached. The adjustable nozzle can be used to vary between nebulization and jet. The special FPM seal is ideal for acidic media.

Pressure Foam Sprayer 2l​

Pressure Foam Sprayer 2l

The Pressure Sprayer Series was developed to enable process safety when working. Extremely robust 2L pressure pump sp...

www.koch-chemie.com

The Pressure Sprayer Series was developed to enable process safety when working. Extremely robust 2L pressure pump sprayer for processing neutral and alkaline products. With interchangeable nozzles for little to a lot of foam and EPDM seals.

Pro Pressure Sprayer acid 6l​

Pro Pressure Sprayer acid 6l

The Pressure Sprayer Series was developed to enable process safety during work. Sprayer with high chemical resistance...

www.koch-chemie.com

The Pressure Sprayer Series was developed to enable process safety during work. Sprayer with high chemical resistance for the application of acidic mixtures. Ideal for cleaning surfaces, floors and walls. The special FPM seal is ideal for acidic media. The practical funnel makes filling easy. The lance is 50 cm long. Pressure: 3.5 bar

Pro Pressure Sprayer alkaline 6l​

Pro Pressure Sprayer alkaline 6l

The Pressure Sprayer Series was developed to enable process safety when working. Sprayer with high chemical resistanc...

www.koch-chemie.com

The Pressure Sprayer Series was developed to enable process safety when working. Sprayer with high chemical resistance for the application of alkaline mixtures. Ideal for cleaning surfaces, floors and walls. The special EPDM seal is ideal for alkaline media. The practical funnel makes filling easy. The lance is 50 cm long. Pressure: 3.5 bar

Interesting lineup.

I note MZR is not new, but new to the US market as its been available here for years.

Ceramic Effect Shampoo I don't understand, they already have Nano Magic in their consumer and pro lineups.

And all of those sprayers are simply re-branded Kwazar's.

The P&S becoming Chemical Guys comment, I can see that in the KCx lineup. If you look at the full Koch Chemie product line available, they are basically the German Chemical Guys in terms of multiple products doing similar jobs. That doesn't mean I'm bashing KCx, having specific products for very specific tasks is very "German", as in "vee know best". Chemical Guys make 1000 similar products simply to make cash rather than a specific need.

 

[DFB]

You should try Turtle Wax Hybrid Solutions Pure Wash if you can get it over there. I think you'll really like it.

It's available here, I'll have to look into it.