Sneak Peek! - New Polisher!

***Update***


Just finished compounding the driver's side using the new tool. This would be using i.e. holding the tool and pressing against a vertical panel which is much different than standing by the car and buffing on a horizontal panel.

Took me about 45 minutes to compound the driver's side and I went through 3 foam cutting pads, one pad per panel.


Moving over to the passenger side now.



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Mike Phillips said:
They did have a gear-driven orbital polisher/sander, when I was at the RUPES facility in Italy I took a lot of pictures and created a few full color write-ups from my visit.
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Yeah, I thought you had a picture of it, Mike. I guess from Todd's quote they are still making that machine as a sander, so I guess (if the rumors about the new tool are true) it's not any kind of philosophy change from Rupes, only a different application for the technology.
 
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WRAPT C5Z06 said:
Yes!

The new pads are thinner; probably the same foam. The pads on the wall are huge, like 8"!! I wonder if the updated the polishes, too?
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Good question!

I heard rumblings of a change in their microfiber pads too.

Pretty interesting developments for sure.

Of course, this polisher Mike is using might not even be one of these.

But probably!
 
Forced rotation + 8" pads? Hmm I'm liking the sound of that.
 
nothingface5384 said:
more opm 6800 vs 4800 of 3401
less orbit 5.5 vs 8..so closer to rotary motion?
body seems longer then 3401 too
pretty sure it spins correct direction according to the pdf..have to look at it again

cant wait to compare side by side to see if my thinking is correct
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First, nice work on the business name.

Second, I'm not as sure as you about the machine spinning the same direction as our rotary polishers because: If it did, I don't think we'd be seeing radio silence on the issue. And, the way the backing plate attaches to the machine suggests a counter clockwise rotation, the BO6040 spins counter clockwise and attaches the backing plate the way the PO5000 does. The BO6050 has a screw on, without the need for a bolt or tool, backing plate, but the mechanism is different so it may have something to do with the basic mechanics.

Still, a machine that gets its forced rotation by use of planetary gears and so, has the action the PO5000 has along with the increased rpms is going to be worth having. It'll just be embarrassing for the people who had a hand in developing it if they missed something so basic.

RSW
 
Mike Phillips said:
They did have a gear-driven orbital polisher/sander, when I was at the RUPES facility in Italy I took a lot of pictures and created a few full color write-ups from my visit. Here's one of them...


Rupes Bigfoot Orbital Polishers Virtual Museum Tour - Milan, Italy


Would anyone like to guess what type of tool this is?

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Todd Helme answered the question. Note when he answered it he actually worked for Autogeek at the time, not RUPES.





That was a fun trip. I was given a tour of the RUPES plant by Guido Valentini, the Presidente of Rupes.

Meet Guido Valentini the Presidente of Rupes

At that time I had not written my how-to book for the RUPES tools and paint polishing system but I did sign a copy of my second book for him...
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And Mr. gave me permission to take pictures INSIDE their manufacturing plant. I was the first person to ever get this opportunity and of course, I created a full write-up with the pictures I took including the one with the sign,

NO CAMERAS

:laughing:


Here's that article...


Top Secret Pictures – How Rupes Bigfoot Polishers are made!


As far as I know, in the history of RUPES, no one has ever been given permission to take pictures inside the RUPES manufacturing facilities.


Note this picture...

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And in case you missed it, I've cropped out the pertinent part....

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Good times... If I ever write the "Coffee Table" book on the history of car detailing I'll include this adventure.



:)
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I had a long conversation with the designer from Rupes and told him they should be making that machine for detailing. He's very knowledgeable, professional and genuinely interested so the conversation was both informative and pleasant. I advocated strongly for a forced rotation with orbit machine and he definitely understood what I was saying but said as Setec mentioned that they against it because they'd tried it years ago... "Value inflexibility."

I like Rupes, they have a good culture there but they'll be a step behind if Makita got this right.

Also, I appreciate you mentioning why you didn't pull out the rotary in your update post.

RSW
 
It's only 5mm orbit, what a let down. They should not use the word "Bigfoot" which is signature for their large orbit on this one.
 
I don't really post much, just read. But i recall Mike saying he was using lake country orange ccs pads for his first test spot. He's always been a big advocate of using tools as a system and that would be kind of out of line of his norm if it were a new Rupes.

So my guess is the makita. Or at least another tool manufacturer that doesn't also have a pad line.

Scott
 
skk1988 said:
I don't really post much, just read. But i recall Mike saying he was using lake country orange ccs pads for his first test spot. He's always been a big advocate of using tools as a system and that would be kind of out of line of his norm if it were a new Rupes.

So my guess is the makita.

Scott
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Very good point!



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skk1988 said:
I don't really post much, just read. But i recall Mike saying he was using lake country orange ccs pads for his first test spot. He's always been a big advocate of using tools as a system and that would be kind of out of line of his norm if it were a new Rupes.

So my guess is the makita. Or at least another tool manufacturer that doesn't also have a pad line.

Scott
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On top of that, an ORANGE CCS PAD comes with the Makita polisher kit. Yep, it's the Makita!!!


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skk1988 said:
I don't really post much, just read. But i recall Mike saying he was using lake country orange ccs pads for his first test spot.
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Correct.


skk1988 said:
He's always been a big advocate of using tools as a system and that would be kind of out of line of his norm if it were a new Rupes.
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Correct again.

I'm not just an advocate of using tools as a "system" when there's a system behind the tool but my training and background after 11 years with Meguiar's also taught me to

Stay on message

For example, RUPES says you don't need to do the washer mod to their tools to get the performance they intend with their tools and their system so I never recommended using the washer mod in my RUPES how-to book. If anyone has a copy of my RUPES how-to book you'll see there's a chapter on the washer mod with due credit given to Kevin Brown as I never steal other guys stuff and I always give due credit where credit is due.

So for that chapter it starts like this, and remember... I'm a "Word Guy". I pick, choose and use each word I type online specifically and purposefully as I do in all other forms of media. As a veteran of the NXT vs Zaino Wax Wars I've honed my writing skills to never make mistakes and never give the enemy an advantage.


The chapter on the washer mod is 4 pages long with pictures. On the second page, in the third column, there's a heading that starts like this,


How the washer mod is performed

Then it says,

Mike Phillips said:
Note how this section is titled. It reads how the washer mod is performed. It does not read how to perform the washer mod. There's a difference and this section is just clear up any confusion on what's taking place. This section is not actually to show or endorse how to do the mod itself.
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So I never endorsed the washer mod. I knew the RUPES how-to book would be incomplete if I didn't cover the topic so I included it and made it very clear what the RUPES message was... not the Mike Phillips message.


So bring this back to your observation,


skk1988 said:
He's always been a big advocate of using tools as a system and that would be kind of out of line of his norm if it were a new Rupes.
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I started out using a very simple pad system the LC CCS foam cutting pad. Since then I've used,

  1. RUPES pads
  2. Lake Country Microfiber pads
  3. Buff and Shine Euro Microfiber pads
  4. Buff and Shine Euro Foam Pads
  5. Lake Country HDO Foam Pads
  6. Griot's Garage BOSS foam pads


And that's just for the compounding step. I'm saving all the pads I've tested with this new tool and you'll see pictures in my full write-up to be posted on Friday.


Until then, I just took tow Facebook Live videos showng the results of the Buff and Shine MF pads and the Lake Country MF pads, which I used to remove sanding marks with the SONAX CutMax compound.



Here's the Buff and Shine MF pad video

https://www.facebook.com/Mike.Phillips.Autogeek/videos/1516137445086955/




Here's the Lake Country MF pad video

https://www.facebook.com/Mike.Phillips.Autogeek/videos/1516146408419392/



And now I'm ready to start the polishing step followed by machine waxing.


:)
 
Valky said:
It's only 5mm orbit, what a let down. They should not use the word "Bigfoot" which is signature for their large orbit on this one.
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Are you sure? The new Makita is only 5mm as well. Looks as though the companies are going to a SMALLER orbit.


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