Sonax PNS vs Carpro Reload

Do tell. Results and photo evidence please

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Never tried carpro reload however my experience with sonax pns has always produced satisfactory results for me. Can’t wait to see the comparison, OP.


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Sorry for screwing the first post up. Lol.

I thought I would provide you guys a little comparison that I did recently. I have seen comparisons of Sonax PNS vs. Gyeon cancoat and Carpro reload vs. Sonax BSD. I think both of those comparisons are apples and oranges. These 2 are more comparable due to they are both spray sealants that have a duration of about 6 months.

I started with an IPA wipe to remove the old Collinite 845 lsp. I then polished all of the hood with Sonax 04-06 with a B&S Blue pad. I wiped the panel down with 914 at a 1:8 ratio with a bit of IPA added in to give me what I thought was a clean canvas. Put Sonax PNS with a foam applicator on passenger side and Carpro Reload on the driver's side by spraying on and using a new microfiber applicator to ensure even coverage before I buffed off. Both products got 2 applications and plenty of time to cure.

My first impressions we're that Carpro had a slight edge in gloss. And was obviously slicker to the touch. But that was to be expected.

Then came real life. Bot had really good beading for the first 2 weeks and then weather set in. A rare 6 inches of snow came to NC. I took some pics after being at work all day. There seemed to be more snow left on the Reload side.

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I did do the passenger side light with PNS and did not to the driver's side light with Reload. But there was still more snow on the Reload side of the hood. Front of car still has 845 on it.

My surprise came when I washed it today. 2 bucket with Poorboys slick and suds. The results were astonishing.

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The Sonax PNS was awesome. And the Carpro Reload was completely dead.

Sonax PNS
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Carpro Reload
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It could be that I had user error with the application of the Reload or it didn't like the McKees 914. But I don't think that is it. The drying towel kept dragging slightly on the Reload side leaving little lint. There was a lot of contaminants on the car from the recent snow storm and salted roads and I believe that they bonded much more to the Reload side.

I was completely shocked to say the least. The Sonax PNS performed great compared to the Reload. It wasn't even close.

I know Carpro is a great company and produce good products. But Sonax is the clear winner in my eyes. You could tell me to wash the Carpro side again. But that's not the point. As I was taught by my grandfather long ago " life is hard enough, surround yourself with bulletproof s#!t. Don't make it harder than you need to." Well in my eyes Sonax PNS is bulletproof. Lol.






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Something sounds off. Maybe dumb to say, but then again maybe not. "The Reload fell off your car".

Is it possible? Yeah, I would guess that something went wrong, awry, possibly an incompatibility issue, appears Reload did not adhere. That your "slate" was not as clean as perhaps thought to be? Or?

I know Reload was re-formulized a few times over the past few years, and I've gotten good longevity with the past 3 formulas. The only one dislike was the one version which left some evidence of oily holograms, and that formula I did return for refund.

I would think even the cheapest no name dollar store wax would do better than this.
 
I agree with that is something off. Did you wait a little time between wipe down with N-914 and application? So it had time to evaporate before application. And did you shake the bottle with reload and was it a new bought? And how was the temperature and moisture when applyied? And have the bottle been frosen? Those are the things that comes to mind of what could be off. Other wise it's most remarkable that reload has gone.
 
Thanks for the comparison! You should do Sonax PNS vs Meguiar's Ultimate Fast Finish next :xyxthumbs:
 
SWETM said:
I agree with that is something off. Did you wait a little time between wipe down with N-914 and application? So it had time to evaporate before application. And did you shake the bottle with reload and was it a new bought? And how was the temperature and moisture when applyied? And have the bottle been frosen? Those are the things that comes to mind of what could be off. Other wise it's most remarkable that reload has gone.
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Other thoughts might be, were temps, humidity and time being needed to perhaps allow some curing possibly not favorable factors with Reload?

I know when winter comes, and the coming of colder and goofy weather, I usually try to beat the weather gods and get some applications of some sort of protectants on board before the SHTF.
 
SWETM said:
I agree with that is something off. Did you wait a little time between wipe down with N-914 and application? So it had time to evaporate before application. And did you shake the bottle with reload and was it a new bought? And how was the temperature and moisture when applyied? And have the bottle been frosen? Those are the things that comes to mind of what could be off. Other wise it's most remarkable that reload has gone.
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Something obviously went wrong. I am not the most experienced, and am just starting down this really addicting road of finding out what works for me. The bottle of reload was brand new. Just got it. It may have gotten frozen in shipping. But I had it inside for days before applying. It was about 15 minutes after the 914 wipe that I did the reload. I did the PNS side first. It’s was only probably 45-50 degrees when I applied them. So maybe that has something to do with it.

But this is my point. I applied the PNS first with absolutely no issues at all. First! I don’t want products that are finicky. Ones that you have to apply while standing on one leg, at exactly 68 degrees, with a NW breeze of 15mph. Lol. I’m not trying to be difficult and I do hate when people post negative reviews because of their stupidity. But I am researching this stuff all the time now and trying to do the the proper steps. I really want to like the reload. I want to put Reload on one of my cars and PNS on the other.

I will try to wash and examine again today to figure out what may have happened.
 
Ochnob said:
Something obviously went wrong. I am not the most experienced, and am just starting down this really addicting road of finding out what works for me. The bottle of reload was brand new. Just got it. It may have gotten frozen in shipping. But I had it inside for days before applying. It was about 15 minutes after the 914 wipe that I did the reload. I did the PNS side first. It’s was only probably 45-50 degrees when I applied them. So maybe that has something to do with it.

But this is my point. I applied the PNS first with absolutely no issues at all. First! I don’t want products that are finicky. Ones that you have to apply while standing on one leg, at exactly 68 degrees, with a NW breeze of 15mph. Lol. I’m not trying to be difficult and I do hate when people post negative reviews because of their stupidity. But I am researching this stuff all the time now and trying to do the the proper steps. I really want to like the reload. I want to put Reload on one of my cars and PNS on the other.

I will try to wash and examine again today to figure out what may have happened.
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I'm surely not the forum pro, there are many more who possess better analytics than I do to pinpoint the reasons-causes when a known good product fails. I, being a Reload user afor a good few years now have only wished to provide some shred of help. But honestly, I am stumped as well.

I myself have never chosen to use Reload as a stand alone product, nor have used it to top any other products other than Carpro CQuartz which is on my 1997 Tahoe. Reload is exclusively reserved for this use as a rejuvenator-maintainer product for CQuartz, none other.
 
Ochnob said:
Something obviously went wrong. I am not the most experienced, and am just starting down this really addicting road of finding out what works for me. The bottle of reload was brand new. Just got it. It may have gotten frozen in shipping. But I had it inside for days before applying. It was about 15 minutes after the 914 wipe that I did the reload. I did the PNS side first. It’s was only probably 45-50 degrees when I applied them. So maybe that has something to do with it.

But this is my point. I applied the PNS first with absolutely no issues at all. First! I don’t want products that are finicky. Ones that you have to apply while standing on one leg, at exactly 68 degrees, with a NW breeze of 15mph. Lol. I’m not trying to be difficult and I do hate when people post negative reviews because of their stupidity. But I am researching this stuff all the time now and trying to do the the proper steps. I really want to like the reload. I want to put Reload on one of my cars and PNS on the other.

I will try to wash and examine again today to figure out what may have happened.
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I agree with you that it's gonna be easy to work with. Don't know how reload does if it has been frosen. Maybe test with a waterless wash or rinseless wash with n914 and see what happens. It's seems that you have applyied it right and just wondering what had happens with reload. Cause it would hold up to a wash and road salt better I think. See if you can revive it or test some other time.

I totaly failed with a application with Ultima paint guard plus and think it was the humidity that failed it to cure in low temperature. It's was gone after the first wash for me and I have had to last 5 months before.
 
Nice test OP!

Sonax PNS had perform well on my car in terms of durability and self cleaning.
The only thing doesn't impress me is the applicator and microfiber became near useless after application.


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So Ochnob, do you have any Essence that you could apply prior to the Reload? If not, what about Erasure to wipe down with first? If neither, I would mop (Like as in sopping wet rag) the panel with IPA, then reapply the Reload.

Maybe it's me, but I wouldn't say a product isn't bullet proof just because it has to be prepped or applied a specific way. Now if the prep/application is ridicules or extremely difficult then yeah. I wouldn't throw out my Sio2 spray and blast coatings because I can't just wipe and dry like a quick spray wax.
 
Ok. I believe something may have happened to the product. I ordered during the recent freezing weather and it is my assumption that it froze and that did something to the product. Or I got a bad batch but I lean more towards the freezing component.

Here is a completely different car that is polished with Sonax 04-06 and then 3 separate IPA wipes. No 914. Straight IPA solution. 2 separate applications of Reload. Unfortunately the same failure. So something must have happened to the product.

Left passenger side has reload. Right side has McKees Hydro Blue.

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So after the second application I want to not put a disparage Carpro reload or the company in any way. I think this is simply my first experience with dealing with product in which some external situation changed the characteristics of the product. I am going to contact customer service today and get the bottle switched out.

Thanks for all the input!


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Ochnob said:
Ok. I believe something may have happened to the product. I ordered during the recent freezing weather and it is my assumption that it froze and that did something to the product. Or I got a bad batch but I lean more towards the freezing component.

Here is a completely different car that is polished with Sonax 04-06 and then 3 separate IPA wipes. No 914. Straight IPA solution. 2 separate applications of Reload. Unfortunately the same failure. So something must have happened to the product.

Left passenger side has reload. Right side has McKees Hydro Blue.

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So after the second application I want to not put a disparage Carpro reload or the company in any way. I think this is simply my first experience with dealing with product in which some external situation changed the characteristics of the product. I am going to contact customer service today and get the bottle switched out.

Thanks for all the input!


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Hi, i think its some problem of your application as well, you need to apply much more squirts over the surface , 1 mf wiping it on the surface sprayed and another one or dry side mf to wipe it off well, too thin layering will result shorter effect on the car.
latest Reload has no problem spraying direct on surface and wiping on and off.
 
Another way to apply which I myself did last time I used Reload about a month ago in a heated garage, was to apply it just like one would apply a liquid wax.

I used a combination of spraying directly onto a foam applicator pad to prime, and then added a couple spritzes per panel and massaged the product in evenly.

Then simply came behind with a plush MF Towel, did a walk-around and got fantastic and flawless final results. Sure, might've been a little more work this way, but the little extra effort IMO was worth it. Absolutely no smearing, streaking or clouding-hazing occurred.
 
Ochnob said:
Something obviously went wrong. I am not the most experienced, and am just starting down this really addicting road of finding out what works for me. The bottle of reload was brand new. Just got it. It may have gotten frozen in shipping. But I had it inside for days before applying. It was about 15 minutes after the 914 wipe that I did the reload. I did the PNS side first. It’s was only probably 45-50 degrees when I applied them. So maybe that has something to do with it.

But this is my point. I applied the PNS first with absolutely no issues at all. First! I don’t want products that are finicky. Ones that you have to apply while standing on one leg, at exactly 68 degrees, with a NW breeze of 15mph. Lol. I’m not trying to be difficult and I do hate when people post negative reviews because of their stupidity. But I am researching this stuff all the time now and trying to do the the proper steps. I really want to like the reload. I want to put Reload on one of my cars and PNS on the other.

I will try to wash and examine again today to figure out what may have happened.
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Reload probably needs surgicially clean paint to adhere isn't it quartz based?
 
Avi@CarPro said:
Hi, i think its some problem of your application as well, you need to apply much more squirts over the surface , 1 mf wiping it on the surface sprayed and another one or dry side mf to wipe it off well, too thin layering will result shorter effect on the car.
latest Reload has no problem spraying direct on surface and wiping on and off.
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But he did spray on the surface and spread it with a mf applicator and waited so it was a little sticky which I think means it had bonded to the surface. And with this application he did and prep work it would last over the next wash? How is reload after it has frosen? Because something is wrong with it I think. Ech2o in a qd dilution last over a wash even. So if he have done what he has writing and seen no point of him lying about it. And it's only about how many squirts to a half of the hood. Then reload has a longevity problem on it's own.

Ochnob do you remember about how many squirts you did with each application?
 
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