Spray Wax=obsolete?

[VP Mark]

If spray waxes are obsolete, why are they multiplying in the marketplace like rabbits?

If you use the right spray wax with the right towel you can get better results than a paste wax IMO. Spray waxes are more versatile than WOWAs because some (most) can handle some light dust and fingerprints. Also, unlike WOWAs spray waxes just have more variety, personality, and uniqueness to them.

Honestly, I can't stop buying spray waxes.

There is a retail market for them sure but as far as usability, durability, and use fullness they are far behind the spectrum of modern detailing products. I can't see the real use fullness of spray waxes from a professional perspective.

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[VP Mark]

Opti coat has been out for years

Tons of long term reviews on it...

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[PiPUK]

There is a retail market for them sure but as far as usability, durability, and use fullness they are far behind the spectrum of modern detailing products. I can't see the real use fullness of spray waxes from a professional perspective.

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Of course that would be ignoring hybrid waxes which are considered to be at the forefront of detailing. There is a whole lot more to wax than carnauba.

 

[Klasse Act]

I'm on the side of it adding slickness and giving the car a little "pop" but let's be clear on this, a QD and spray wax are NOT the same thing!

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[silverfox]

The term spray wax was never defined so this thread is " one of those" threads.

 

[FUNX650]

The term spray wax was never defined so this thread is " one of those" threads.

I'll supply the following definition for Spray Wax...
How about you supplying one of yours?

-"A lot of folks are now using 'light' spray-waxes consisting of mostly natural ingredients (including beeswax & conditioning-oils)...
in place of those 'heavy', harsh, chemical-sprays".

"These types of spray waxes can be applied to both wet and dry 'surfaces', for different looks.
They don't leave hair gummy (sticky)...and they wash-out easily with regular shampooing".




Bob

 

[nubaseal]

I don't think they are obsolete at all. OCW competes with some entry level waxes. Scholl concepts spray waxes compete with some high end waxes.


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[VISITOR]

i still love and use spray waxes and don't see myself putting them away for good just yet. if you mix 3 ounces of DG rinseless wash w/ aquawax to 16 ounces of water, it works well as a QD and leaves a slick finish similiar to that of AW...

 

[cardaddy]

If spray waxes are obsolete, why are they multiplying in the marketplace like rabbits?

If you use the right spray wax with the right towel you can get better results than a paste wax IMO. Spray waxes are more versatile than WOWAs because some (most) can handle some light dust and fingerprints. Also, unlike WOWAs spray waxes just have more variety, personality, and uniqueness to them.

Honestly, I can't stop buying spray waxes.

The term spray wax was never defined so this thread is " one of those" threads.

As for not being defined.... are we talking about 'wax' or a synthetic product?
From where I'm standing it's darned hard to even find 'wax' these days in a spray bottle that isn't at least fairly skewed (if not totally) towards the synthetic end of the spectrum.

Along that line of thinking; I still used a number of "spray" products including 156 and 951 (both 'straight' and 'charged') VERY often.

One I don't like however is PB's QW+ that says it has real carnauba wax in it!!! Suckered into a bogo on that one and it is HORRIBLE to work with.

As for sealants, I much prefer them for durability, and actually like both applying WOWO much better than WOWA as well as the end 'feeling' to it. Something psychological (to me) about how I can machine apply a WOWO sealant for a full albeit thin and even coating versus a MF pad and a few scarce drops of a WOWA sealant. :dunno: (And yes, I have both WG and BF versions of both, as well as Megs 20 and 21 of course.)

 

[PiPUK]

As for not being defined.... are we talking about 'wax' or a synthetic product?

Waxes cannot really be defined by natural and not synthetic. I would hazard that the majority of the wax used in the world is now synthetic. Chemically, however, it is a wax. I did search for a quick and easy definition but I can't see one which is accurate and simple. These days, waxes can be natural sourced from plants and animals, they can come from nature, they can be derived from crude oil, they can be synthesised and a relative few actually come from the 'sealant' side (silicone waxes - differentiated from those who simply mix a basic wax with silicone oils).

If someone were asking me the question about a specific wax and whether it was going to be obsolete, I might nibble and give a yes. The abundance of technological waxes means it is possible to have waxes which are better in automotive applications than the old favorites. Of course the old favorites may well never die, more through misguided understanding than performance.

 

[nubaseal]

Waxes cannot really be defined by natural and not synthetic. I would hazard that the majority of the wax used in the world is now synthetic. Chemically, however, it is a wax. I did search for a quick and easy definition but I can't see one which is accurate and simple. These days, waxes can be natural sourced from plants and animals, they can come from nature, they can be derived from crude oil, they can be synthesised and a relative few actually come from the 'sealant' side (silicone waxes - differentiated from those who simply mix a basic wax with silicone oils).

If someone were asking me the question about a specific wax and whether it was going to be obsolete, I might nibble and give a yes. The abundance of technological waxes means it is possible to have waxes which are better in automotive applications than the old favorites. Of course the old favorites may well never die, more through misguided understanding than performance.

I think you hit the nail on its head

 

[RPPM]

Maybe for the Pro, but for those of us that dabble in it for purely personal reasons, no. They are just too darned easy to use, and the end result on a well maintained car is just like you spent 8 hours doing a 5 step process.

The coatings are certainly gaining more and more traction, but one drawback is the looks don't seem to last. If I need to add another coat of something to bring the looks back, frankly on my personal car, why bother with a coating then...

I find the washes that contain some level of wax (synthetic, or mostly natural) really don't add much other than a very short lasting shine (usually 1st rainfall), where as the spray waxes today can generally get you around 4 weeks.

 

[BillE]

I really appreciate 'spray wax', especially during the winter months.

When it's 20 below with snow/salt everywhere...Too cold (and unpleasant) to try and keep a vehicle finish properly maintained, but with a good base coat of 'wax', using a spray after washing helps for protection if nothing else.

Bill

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

I wipe my truck down almost every moringin with either a spray detailer or a spray-on wax, depending on the dust/dirt level. Hit the whees too...

Keeps me from having to wash it and keeps it looking "just detailed" all the time.


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[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

Waxes cannot really be defined by natural and not synthetic.

Here's something I wrote back in 2010 long before coatings were established, I think Opti_Coat II was around... not sure the year it was introduced.

In this article I break "waxes" down into three groups

• Products that rely primarily on natural ingredients for either beauty or protection and usually both.

• Products that rely primarily on synthetic ingredients for either beauty or protection and usually both.

• Products that are a blend of both natural and synthetic ingredients.

And my article also shows that most products are blended products. It also covers in detail the difference between "finishing" products and "cleaner" type products.


The Difference Between a Cleaner/Wax and a Finishing Wax
Subtitle: How To Choose The Right Wax or Paint Sealant for your Detailing Project


The list of products in the article is now 3 years old so it could use updating but the big picture idea is that most car waxes on the market are blended products, that is a blend of both natural and synthetic ingredients.

 

[slimnib]

I wipe my truck down almost every moringin with either a spray detailer or a spray-on wax, depending on the dust/dirt level. Hit the whees too...

Keeps me from having to wash it and keeps it looking "just detailed" all the time.


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Me too!

 

[PiPUK]

• Products that rely primarily on natural ingredients for either beauty or protection and usually both.

• Products that rely primarily on synthetic ingredients for either beauty or protection and usually both.

• Products that are a blend of both natural and synthetic ingredients.

And my article also shows that most products are blended products.

I presume you are referring to the 'active' elements rather than the carrier solvents (which are almost always derived from nature - hydrocarbons - because of the expense of synthetic solvents)?

You are absolutely right though. When you tunnel through all the marketing, waxes tend to be a mix of a few natural waxes, maybe a synthetic wax, very occasionally a hybrid wax and then some synthetics which tend to be Si-based (though not always). There are not many real revolutions going on, it tends to be re-inventing the wheel and making incremental improvements. The combination with polymers is an example of the latter but is something that has been going on for decades so is nowhere near as revolutionary as wax marketing would have you believe!

 

[glen e]

between duragloss rinseless and the spray on sealants like Prima max and BF CS, nothing else is needed for me....

 

[Mike PhillipsMike Phillips is verified member.]

I presume you are referring to the 'active' elements rather than the carrier solvents

You are absolutely right though.

Thank you and "yes", that's exactly what I meant and what I mean anytime I type about the,

"protection ingredients"

It refers to the stuff that actually remains on the surface after whatever the application and removal process is if any.


I don't like making car detailing rocket science although there is a segment of the serious car owners and car detailers that do trend this direction.

One thing for sure though and that is people are different and what works for one guy on his car given to another guy with the exact same car might not work to make the second guy happy at all even if the product worked, that is did what it was supposed to do.

It's a Coke, Pepsi, 7-up and Dr. Pepper kind of thing...

 

[custmsprty]

I wipe my truck down almost every moringin with either a spray detailer or a spray-on wax, depending on the dust/dirt level. Hit the whees too...

Keeps me from having to wash it and keeps it looking "just detailed" all the time.


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I agree 100% with Mike. My GC was purchased in April 2012 and it's only been washed twice, once by me and once by mother nature. Granted it is a weekend car and a garage queen. Here is how it sits today. I've recently been using Wolfgang WDPS and the black paint seems to really like this product. I wipe it down with AG micro fibers and WG after I drive it alteast every other time and it keeps it pristine.