SSII...VERY Dissapointed...WTF???

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OK guys, please let me say this first...I swear from the bottom of my heart I am not trolling here!

So I'm new to Pinnacle stuff and bought a can of SSII to try this year after all the reveiws. Well, a few weeks ago I got around to trying it out. I didn't do it as part of my "spring cleaning", but the surface was in great shape when I applied it. As history just in case it's relevant, I applied the SSII over a layer of Mother's carnuba paste about a month + old.

I applied one panel at a time doing the WOWO. By far, the easiest, one of the most enjoyable products I've ever used. Product worked great, no sreaking or anything out of the ordinary and seemed to work as advertised. I was not overly impressed with the finish, but that may be largely in part to the fact my car was already in great shape. I'd simply say the SSII didn't change my finish at all that was noticeable.

Here's where it get's tricky...car stayed clean for about a week and the wax did not get wet during this time. Car was driven for about two days in a good rain shower. Car was washed (with Pinnacle Bodywork Shampoo mind you) about 3-4 days after the rain. Pre and post washing revealed little to no water beading at all. There was no tight beads and the water just kinda hung around sticking to the paint in sheets. The best way to describe it is water sitting on a car with no wax! Drying was even more dissapointing than the lack of beading. I have PakShak towels in excellent shape. The towels just kinda drug across the paint. Drying it down was a horrible experience. After one washing, the surface just feels like there's nothing there. A clean MF on a clean surface doesn't even glide smoothly across.

What did I do wrong???????
 
I don't know. It looks great on my car. Gives it a candy coated look. IT never sees rain, so I cant speak for durability in rain. Mine beads 3 months later at least when I wash it. If yours wore out that quickly, I could see why you are disappointed.

What kind of paint? Clear or single stage? Factory or Repaint?

How long since last polish? Machine or hand?
 
Not all waxes bead after washing. Try looking at your car after it's stationary in a rainstorm, you'll change your mind.

On a side note, I would have applied it to bare paint, not topping another carnauba.
 
from what ive experienced applying different waxes on top of other waxes that were already there dosent seem to work...at least not for me... what i do is polish the car, with something like po85rd and it removes the old wax and leaves a nice shine, so now that surface is wax free i apply my new wax i am going to put. its what i do and has always worked well for me, hopefully others may chime in and say what may have been the problem.
 
93fox said:
from what ive experienced applying different waxes on top of other waxes that were already there dosent seem to work...at least not for me... what i do is polish the car, with something like po85rd and it removes the old wax and leaves a nice shine, QUOTE]
You're also leaving behind major polishing oils with 85rd if you don't remove them before applying an LSP.
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07 z-oh-6 said:
93fox said:
from what ive experienced applying different waxes on top of other waxes that were already there dosent seem to work...at least not for me... what i do is polish the car, with something like po85rd and it removes the old wax and leaves a nice shine, QUOTE]
You're also leaving behind major polishing oils with 85rd if you don't remove them before applying an LSP.
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hmm never thought of that... but the wax up to this day has been holding on pretty well. its a tip mike gave me and it worked for me. now i have to keep an eye out and see if the wax is still holding on pretty well.
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I think your problem was not cleaning the paint either chemically or mechanically. Think of waxing a car like repainting on old wooden fence.... you are not just gonna repaint the fence when the previous paint is cracked and peeling if you want the new coat to stick. You are gonna scrape the old paint off first then repaint! Same principal here....the Mothers was probably at the end of its life span. SSII is one of my favorite waxes and I never had any trouble with it. So I would suggest a paintwork cleanser on your next effort! Pinnacle and P21S both offer great paintwork cleansers that work great on a surface that is in good condition such as your is!
 
You can have the most expensive, sought after hand made wax in the world, but if the surface being applied to isn't prepped properly, don't expect great results.

Next time try Pinnacle Paintwork Cleansing Lotion, P21S Paintwork Cleanser or Klasse AIO prior to applying the wax.

For best results, prep is key. :props:
 
I would have personally removed the previous wax and started on a fresh finish. Sounds like you applied and removed properly. Sometimes a little sun makes it look deeper and better. Not sure why no beading however ...
 
Yea...those were the same thoughts I've been having. I haven't thrown it away, LOL. I'll do my full spring cleaning/prep and give it another fair try. I know there's a reason...there's no way I had this poor of a performance following what all I've heard from you guys about it.
 
galaxy said:
Yea...those were the same thoughts I've been having. I haven't thrown it away, LOL. I'll do my full spring cleaning/prep and give it another fair try. I know there's a reason...there's no way I had this poor of a performance following what all I've heard from you guys about it.
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On second thought, its junk and should be thrown out! But send it to me for proper disposal!:joking:. Definately give this product another shot with proper surface prep, You will be very satisfied!
 
I've never noticed heavy beading after washing with SSII. Like I said before, let the car sit through a rainstorm and you will see beading. Obviously, if the paint is bare before applying any LSP. I've never believed in "toppers".
 
some times theres a learning curve with waxes and sealeants-its like the others have said to especially when you have quality products when wanta give them a nice clean oil free base for them-you will be fine i recently used some liquid sovern and i put to much on the hood and it sucked getting it off -butt paper thin means paper thin ,now i like it
 
I think we've all been here at one time or another and the common denominator is preparation. Novice or experienced, preparation is the key to success.

My daughter recently bought a new car. Like all stealerships, their definition of " we'll detail the car before she picks it up" it merely a powerwash and towel dry.

I did a quick wash and dry on the nose just to remove the road grime. Because it was still pretty cold I just threw on a quick coat of Optimum Spray Wax. I really didn't like the way it laid down so about a month later I polished it then applied a nice coating of BlackFire Midnight Sun. Now this wax is supposed to be right up there with some of the finest and gets raves from whomever uses it. This was my first time testing it and I wanted to see how it performed.

About 2 weeks later we were washing the car and I noticed that the hood no longer had that pop or glow AND there were little to no signs of beading...The bottom line here is I didn't take my time prepping and the result was a grin of disappointment...
 
I get what you guys are saying, but why have I not experienced that in the past? For example...throughout the year (after a proper prep), I usually add a coat of Mother's several times here and there and it always works flawlessly. Why would this be any different...just because it's a different brand?
 
If you really want to know, I would try it again to see if you get the same results.

But, it is not uncommon that people get different results from the same product. There may some difference in the technique or environment that could be causing the difference.
 
07 z-oh-6 said:
I've never noticed heavy beading after washing with SSII. Like I said before, let the car sit through a rainstorm and you will see beading. Obviously, if the paint is bare before applying any LSP. I've never believed in "toppers".
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Same here, no heavy beading. I did a quick video last summer with 3 coats of SSII, water had more sheeting properties than beading. Nice wax :)


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