Still crazy about D114

I've put in for an NIH grant on that one, Bob.

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I had no idea they axed D114 until right now, ugh. It's still my go-to rinseless pre-polish product. Glad I still have a few gallons that will last a while but that sucks. What's next D108??
 
Matt@flyingchipmunk said:
I had no idea they axed D114 until right now, ugh. It's still my go-to rinseless pre-polish product. Glad I still have a few gallons that will last a while but that sucks. What's next D108??
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There's a new product that AG will be releasing soon that will make you very happy if you love D114.

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Klasse Act said:
There's a new product that AG will be releasing soon that will make you very happy if you love D114.

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I was just reading up on it. I love D114 for it's purpose, glad to see something else will be (attempting) to fill it's shoes
 
kevincwelch said:
Meguiars is a big company - relative to the other detailing companies. If you look at it from their marketing perspective and purely from a P&L perspective...

This:
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Is competing with this:
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For this guy and gal:
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Who takes his car here:
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Smaller companies with perhaps less overhead can bring you the 114 varieties of the "D114" washes that you want, but Meguiars presumably has a different bottom line in their much broader market.


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why would the average joe need car soap if they go to the local auto wash? why would megs get rid of a "rinseless wash" product to boost sales of a "car soap" when they already have 4 other "car soaps" they could have axed?
 
fightnews said:
why would the average joe need car soap if they go to the local auto wash? why would megs get rid of a "rinseless wash" product to boost sales of a "car soap" when they already have 4 other "car soaps" they could have axed?
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The average Joe needs a car wash soap the same way I don't know squat about MMA, yet I enjoy watching Ronda Roosie getting her butt kicked. Lol. Average Joe also needs some Armor All Protectant and a pine tree air freshener.

Meguiars didn't get rid of D114 in order to boost sales of any of their other car washes... What he's saying is that compared to some of their fast moving products i.e. Gold Class Car Wash, Megs Clay Kit, Ultimate Wash & Wax Soap, etc...

D114 simply didn't generate enough movement for them to continue producing it. That same energy and space that D114 took to produce could clear way for future plans and innovative hot selling products that both average Joe and knowledgeable detailers alike can buy on a regular basis. Win win for everyone.


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Eldorado2k said:
I'd argue that those so called polymers do a greater job of breaking down lsp's. IMO whenever a product does it's work to leave it's own distinctive behavior on the surface or on top of another lsp, it doesn't just lay on top without disturbing, but it removes a bit of the lsp while it decides to squat on top of it... Remember what the directions on the bottle of Rejex said? Solvents, polymers, etc... You either want them, or in the case of D114, you don't.
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D114 is much more aggressive than is ONR. D114 will attack permanent marker on a bottle. D115 is the only other non-degreaser product I have seen do this.

This aggressiveness is what makes D114 such a great cleaner, especially with bonded contaminates. Other rinseless cleaners I have used pale in raw cleaning power. Lack of self drying aid is the main downside. I think ONR is much easier to use for a typical wash product.

D114's original purpose was for use in body shops to decontaminate panels that come in, and leave nothing to interfere with new paint.
 
N914 is now here!

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Eldorado2k said:
What he's saying is that compared to some of their fast moving products i.e. Gold Class Car Wash, Megs Clay Kit, Ultimate Wash & Wax Soap, etc...

D114 simply didn't generate enough movement for them to continue producing it.
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Precisely.

AG and the detailing community is a small section of the population at large that washes its own car, and that section of people is smaller than those people that simply take their cars to the swirlomatic. That's never going to change.

D114 is (was) a niche product. A money loser at worst or at best, cost neutral...I suspect. If it were profitable as they balance the books, D114 would still be on the shelves.

But, McKees is here and probably will be ultimately seen as a better product.
 
kevincwelch said:
Precisely.

AG and the detailing community is a small section of the population at large that washes its own car, and that section of people is smaller than those people that simply take their cars to the swirlomatic. That's never going to change.

D114 is (was) a niche product. A money loser at worst or at best, cost neutral...I suspect. If it were profitable as they balance the books, D114 would still be on the shelves.

But, McKees is here and probably will be ultimately seen as a better product.
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ya but the flaw in that thinking is that miguiars makes a lot of niche type products just for high volume detailers and body shops. they have a whole line of them that i wouldn't imagine sell any better or worse then d114 why do they keep them then? they still have d115 among others
 
fightnews said:
ya but the flaw in that thinking is
that miguiars makes a lot of niche
type products just for high volume
detailers and body shops.

they have a whole line of them that i
wouldn't imagine sell any better or
worse then d114

why do they keep them then?
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IMO:
It's a Business related decision...
based on: $$$$...



fightnews said:
they still have d115 among others
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Yes they do...:dblthumb2:

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Bob
 
Yes I'm still crazy about D114 but today I just received a gallon of the N-914 I ordered. I think it's time for a shoot out. Stay tuned...
 
runrun411 said:
Yes I'm still crazy about D114 but today I just received a gallon of the N-914 I ordered. I think it's time for a shoot out. Stay tuned...
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I did the shoot out with pics and videos and personally would still run d114 over n914 but since d114 is no more it's a good replacement

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Really it was just the way it reacted with the panel. You can see on the left that the d114 lays down on the paint and didn't bead at all. I feel this gave a better "cling" to the paint that gave me the user an impression of it working or cleaning better, maybe not. Just how I observed it. They both lifted a good amount of dirt but that was the only real difference I saw.

I've also have been using d114 for years and it worked for just about any task and at a low price point so if it was still being made I see no reason to switch, but now that it's not I think mckees made the perfect move in filling that gap and taking that place knowing people were going to want a replacement
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runrun411 said:
Yes I'm still crazy about D114 but today I just received a gallon of the N-914 I ordered. I think it's time for a shoot out. Stay tuned...
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I would really like for someone to compare D114 to N-914. I have made my conclusion but I will wait and see what others think
 
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