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Please tell me what social programs benefit us high paid federal employees because I would like to apply for them. Also please post the internal GAO report that states 70% of federal employees do absolutely nothing to help the people they were intended to help.

Federal jobs are a social program in themselves, dealing out massively overpaid salaries and benefits to under qualified and under performing people.

I know because I live in an area rich with Federal workers and can look up their salary and bonus money online. I see the hours they work, I talk to them and learn all about their slackard attitudes. For instance, none of them are at work for 40 hours a week, one woman on my block making 175k spent 6 months at work doing nothing but planning her wedding, she laughs about it when telling people. They get hundreds of dollars per month if they take the Metro, and their child care is 40% cheaper.

In general they are paid 1.5-2X what they would make in the private sector, cannot be fired or laid off unless they do something egregious, and are given transportation and child care perks well above the average citizen.

Its well publicized how they treat taxpayer dollars. Trying as hard as possible to waste every dollar they can in order to justify their existence and get the same amount or more the next year. Almost none of the money goes to the intended target. Last year our Governor was finally able to liberate 400 million dollars the Fed had tied up for transportation projects by taking them to court. The money had been stuck in bureaucratic channels for years. He said that there was likely 10s of billions of dollars sitting around like that, waiting for some lazy Federal employee to do their job. Look at the money dumped into Mortgage relief programs, that did NOTHING to slow down or stop foreclosures because of the red tape and conditions that reduced its effectiveness to less than 5%.

Its simply not fair for the US taxpayer to support such nonsense.
 
For instance, none of them are at work for 40 hours a week, one woman on my block spent 6 months at work doing nothing but planning her wedding, she laughs about it when telling people.

I'm not arguing with you, but the private sector isn't much (if any) better. The large number of people sitting at computers with internet access, and now smart phones, allows for a lot of "non-work" activity at work.
 
KneeDragr said, "Federal jobs are a social program in themselves, dealing out massively overpaid salaries and benefits to under qualified and under performing people".

Tell that to the sons/daughters, parents, siblings and wives/husbands of these Federal Agents killed in the line of duty enforcing the law while protecting you and your children. These are only a few of the total and do not even include any ATF and Drug Enforcement agents or the 20 Border Patrol Agents killed in just the last five years. Be careful what you say and who you are talking about. You are doing a great disservice by stereotyping federal employees as a group.


- Albert L. Ingle
- Percy E. Foxworth
- Harold Dennis Haberfeld
- Richard Blackstone Brown
- Lee E. Morrow
- Charles Linson Brown, Jr.
- Trenwith S. Basford
- Mark A. Kirkland
- Robert W. Conners
- Charles L. Ellington
- Terry Burnett Hereford
- Michael James Lynch
- James K. McAllister
- Scott K. Carey
- Stanley Ronquest, Jr.
- Paul A. LeVeille
- Robert R. Hardesty
- Gregory J. Rahoi
- Paul M. Sorce
- Edwin C. Shanahan
- Paul E. Reynolds
- Raymond J. Caffrey
- W. Carter Baum
- Samuel P. Cowley
- Herman E. Hollis
- Nelson B. Klein
- Wimberly W. Baker
- Truett E. Rowe
- William R. Ramsey
- Hubert J. Treacy, Jr.
- Joseph J. Brock
- John Brady Murphy
- Richard Purcell Horan
- Terry R. Anderson
- Douglas M. Price
- Anthony Palmisano
- Edwin R. Woodriffe
- Gregory W. Spinelli
- Jack R. Coler
- Ronald A. Williams
- Johnnie L. Oliver
- Charles W. Elmore
- Jared Robert Porter
- Robin L. Ahrens
- Jerry L. Dove
- Benjamin P. Grogan
- L. Douglas Abram
- John L. Bailey
- Martha Dixon Martinez
- Michael John Miller
- William Christian, Jr.
- Charles Leo Reed
- Leonard W. Hatton
- Barry Lee Bush
- Samuel S. Hicks
 
I'm not arguing with you, but the private sector isn't much (if any) better. The large number of people sitting at computers with internet access, and now smart phones, allows for a lot of "non-work" activity at work.

The difference is, their employers are paying their salaries on revenue coming in wilfully, where government salaries are paid by tax dollars. The government does not produce anything, so to arbitrarily take tax dollars from families that make an honest living to pay people like KneeDgrag mentions is BS, yet you defend their existence because you want to believe they serve the greater good.

KneeDragr said, "Federal jobs are a social program in themselves, dealing out massively overpaid salaries and benefits to under qualified and under performing people".

Tell that to the sons/daughters, parents, siblings and wives/husbands of these Federal Agents killed in the line of duty enforcing the law while protecting you and your children. These are only a few of the total and do not even include any ATF and Drug Enforcement agents or the 20 Border Patrol Agents killed in just the last five years. Be careful what you say and who you are talking about. You are doing a great disservice by stereotyping federal employees as a group.


- Albert L. Ingle
- Percy E. Foxworth
- Harold Dennis Haberfeld
- Richard Blackstone Brown
- Lee E. Morrow
- Charles Linson Brown, Jr.
- Trenwith S. Basford
- Mark A. Kirkland
- Robert W. Conners
- Charles L. Ellington
- Terry Burnett Hereford
- Michael James Lynch
- James K. McAllister
- Scott K. Carey
- Stanley Ronquest, Jr.
- Paul A. LeVeille
- Robert R. Hardesty
- Gregory J. Rahoi
- Paul M. Sorce
- Edwin C. Shanahan
- Paul E. Reynolds
- Raymond J. Caffrey
- W. Carter Baum
- Samuel P. Cowley
- Herman E. Hollis
- Nelson B. Klein
- Wimberly W. Baker
- Truett E. Rowe
- William R. Ramsey
- Hubert J. Treacy, Jr.
- Joseph J. Brock
- John Brady Murphy
- Richard Purcell Horan
- Terry R. Anderson
- Douglas M. Price
- Anthony Palmisano
- Edwin R. Woodriffe
- Gregory W. Spinelli
- Jack R. Coler
- Ronald A. Williams
- Johnnie L. Oliver
- Charles W. Elmore
- Jared Robert Porter
- Robin L. Ahrens
- Jerry L. Dove
- Benjamin P. Grogan
- L. Douglas Abram
- John L. Bailey
- Martha Dixon Martinez
- Michael John Miller
- William Christian, Jr.
- Charles Leo Reed
- Leonard W. Hatton
- Barry Lee Bush
- Samuel S. Hicks

And unless the people and our government wake up and start looking seriously at the policies that put these officers in these situations, these killings will only continue. The government can't even keep drugs out of the prisons; what makes anyone think they can keep them from entering our boarders? The 'war on drugs' is a farce. Legalizing these drugs has proven to not have drastic increases in usage, and in countries where even hard drugs are legal, addiction rates are down and drug crimes are non-existant. Yet, America has the highest per capita of people in prison for non-violent drug crimes that serve no purpose. These 'criminals' are no better off when released from prison after these insane sentences placed on them.

But as long as they can pit Republicans and Democrats against each other, we'll only see more of this status quo.
 
yet you defend their existence because you want to believe they serve the greater good.

I did what? I don't defend gov't waste, and I've run into plenty of gov't employees I wish weren't employed. I do like to think that if I have trouble I will be able to call the police, if my house is on fire I will be able to call the fire dept., and that someone will pave the roads so I don't get bent wheels on my car (not doing too well on that last one).

Maybe if we could get away from the stereotypes that all government employees are useless, that all taxes are meritless, that all people who aren't us are moochers and freeloaders, that all black people are criminals (except for the President, who's just a socialist), etc. etc. etc., maybe we could have a rational discussion. Do you really believe that 100% of government workers make $175K and do nothing at work but plan their social events?
 
With the exception of the military and public safety, government agencies don't do anything as well as the private sector. Nothing promotes mediocrity more than not having a bottom line.

New Deal - Strike one
The Great Society - Strike two
Obamacare - WE'RE OUT!!
 
I did what? I don't defend gov't waste, and I've run into plenty of gov't employees I wish weren't employed. I do like to think that if I have trouble I will be able to call the police, if my house is on fire I will be able to call the fire dept., and that someone will pave the roads so I don't get bent wheels on my car (not doing too well on that last one).

Maybe if we could get away from the stereotypes that all government employees are useless, that all taxes are meritless, that all people who aren't us are moochers and freeloaders, that all black people are criminals (except for the President, who's just a socialist), etc. etc. etc., maybe we could have a rational discussion. Do you really believe that 100% of government workers make $175K and do nothing at work but plan their social events?

You're defending federal employees by justifying their existence (employment, not life) in comparing their ineptness with that of employees in the private sector. When I don't perform, that's considered waste and I have my employer to answer to. My employer has a bottom line, so if I'm not here to help that, then there is no use for me and I'm looking for a new job. The same can't always be said with government jobs. I don't believe I, or anyone in this thread, has said anything about not needing police or fire departments. Just go onto the US Treasury's website and look at where all of this money is going. Most of these departments, I believe, are created with good intentions, but pumping millions of dollars into them doesn't mean they're effective. We're lead to believe that if we cut those departments or even reduced their budget, the economy will tank. I wish more people would at least challenge that notion if we want our future generations to have any chance of experiencing a truly great country. It's slipping away from this current generation, but as long as people go through life thinking that what's happening in other countries can't happen here, and Republicans blame Democrats and Democrats blame Republicans, then our options will be limited and change will certainly come due to absolute necessity.
 
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