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Cordless Makita “what”?
To date, all the other cordless tools I’ve tested work good but their battery technology bites compared to FLEX.
They’re all cheaper too.
:dunno:
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Cordless Makita “what”?
To date, all the other cordless tools I’ve tested work good but their battery technology bites compared to FLEX.
They’re all cheaper too.
:dunno:
Oh, sorry. It’s the cordless version of the Makita PO5000c which is the XOPO2Z. Makita wants $589 for their kit which comes with 2 5.0 batteries. Only reason I’m inquiring as that I’m getting ready to pull the trigger on the Supa BEAST but would prefer to have the cordless cBEAST. However, the correcting power of the cBEAST is lower than the Supa BEAST, so i was curious to know if the cordless Makita gear driven orbital was more powerful than the Cbeast. Thanks again Mike.
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I'm going to share my honest opinion.
First - I have not used the cordless Makita PO5000C. The biggest weak point for most battery technology is
- Run time
- Recharge time
- Cycle life
FLEX beats everyone in all three categories and they are all important. When I tested the DeWALT batteries in their new cordless tool, they didn't run long and took way too long to recharge. I told management that in my opinion Autogeek should not bring these tools in because it would tie up customer care processing returns from unsatisfied customers. Just my opinion based on using the tools.
And again - I have not used the Makita so I don't have a real-world opinion on the 3 battery criteria I listed above.
If you want POWER and SPEED - go with the Supa BEAST. It's my tool of choice. I only use the CBEAST if the paint is in good shape and only needs light correction. For example after I make this reply, I'm going out to the garage to buff out a 2001 Corvette in great condition but with some coating high spots. I'm going to use the CBEAST with RUPES white CP pads and 3D One. Then coat it.
If the Corvette had any level of swirls - then I would use the Supa BEAST simply to POWER through it in the least amount of time. FLEX cordless is very good but at this time a corded FLEX in fact has the most power and speed.
Also - after using the Mille and the Makita - both are 5mm gear-driven orbital and the FLEX BEASTS, which are 8mm gear-driven. I MUCH prefer the 8mm tool. I know RUPES is very good at explaining ON PAPER how thier 5mm trumps 8mm but that's simply not my hands-on experience. If it were so - I would grab one of the 7 Milles or one of the 5 Makitas in the garage and use them - but I don't. It's not a "brand" thing or a "fanboy" thing, it's a performance thing.
Hope the above helps...
And as a counterpoint to what Mike just wrote, there are also several detailers that use the CBeast for production work. Mike P. works at maximum speed with his tools trying to get done as fast as possible. So if your goal is to get done as fast as possible AND you use your tools at full speed then the SupaBeast is your best choice. If your answer is not necessarily then the CBeast can be a production tool for minor to medium corrections and you'll get the added benefit of not having to deal with a cord. Speaking to Mike's point about battery technology, the batteries are good enough that with a pair, the second battery can fully charge while you're using the first, which gives about 40 min of runtime according to Mike's testing.
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Thanks for adding this... and it is true, I am very purpose driven when I detail a car.
For what it's worth, I just put the RUPES coarse wool polishing pad on a CBEAST and removed all the RIDS on a 2001 C5 Corvette (known hard paint)
Love it.
7 inch RUPES Coarse Wool Polishing Pad
I have to shoot a video right now but as soon as it's over I'm testing the RUPES white 7" CP pad and if this removes all the light swirling on this Vette then I'm continuing with the CBEAST for the reasons you stated. I want to work fast but the CONVENIENCE of no cord for light correction work is a dream come true.
Will share a pictures.
Thanks for the insight. That’s my dilema. All my tools are cordless and I’d like to continue the trend and not deal with cords. I’m not necessarily looking for the fastest speed since I’m detailing family/friends vehicles, but I do need the tool to remove swirled out vehicles. I own a black car and there are swirls everywhere. 10 years worth.
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Here’s Vette
That’s a RUPES 7” white CP foam pad
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That’s a RUPES 7” white CP foam pad
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Thanks for adding this... and it is true, I am very purpose driven when I detail a car.
For what it's worth, I just put the RUPES coarse wool polishing pad on a CBEAST and removed all the RIDS on a 2001 C5 Corvette (known hard paint)
Love it.
7 inch RUPES Coarse Wool Polishing Pad
I have to shoot a video right now but as soon as it's over I'm testing the RUPES white 7" CP pad and if this removes all the light swirling on this Vette then I'm continuing with the CBEAST for the reasons you stated. I want to work fast but the CONVENIENCE of no cord for light correction work is a dream come true.
Will share a pictures.
Thanks Mike. That’s great news about the cBEAST working well on the hard paint. If time is not of the essence “per say”,since I’ll be doing family/friends vehicles could the cBEAST still remove heavy swirl marks or even oxidized paint? I have a black is250 with 10 years worth of swirls. I’m really hoping the cBEAST could be my main go to tool. Out of curiosity, if it can do the heavy swirls, is it costing me approximately an extra 1/2 hr in time compared to the Supa BEAST? Sorry that I keep dragging my decision out.
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Yes.
There's some high spots from when it was coated. So I'm removing the ceramic coating by buffing out the entire car and then replacing it.
:dig:
CBeast is 90% of a SupaBeast and a SupaBeast is a SupaBeast meaning it is a beast of a capable polishing tool. So yes a CBeast can correct very well. Realize that yes you may need to do a major correction every once in a while but once you correct your vehicle, you will take care of it and it will never get that bad again. So yes a major correction may take more time for someone like Mike Phillips. But for you and I who are less experienced, I don’t know that a SupaBeast with a cord would save me any time compared to a CBeast where I’m not dragging the cord. I chose a CBeast and I oh so love not dragging a cord. I’ll take an additional 15 min on a minor correction or 30 min on a major correction (haven’t done one since getting CBeast) any day vs having to deal with that damn cord.
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You bet.
Any tool that will remove light swirls out of soft paint will remove deep swirls out of hard paint it's just a "time" issue.
If you're not in a hurry then I the CBEAST is a capable tool. Just as important is the tool - you need to match the pad to the job and above all else - use great abrasive technology.
You bet.
Any tool that will remove light swirls out of soft paint will remove deep swirls out of hard paint it's just a "time" issue.
If you're not in a hurry then I the CBEAST is a capable tool. Just as important is the tool - you need to match the pad to the job and above all else - use great abrasive technology.
Thanks Mike.
I’m heavily leaning toward the CBEAST now. I want the best of both worlds with the Supa BEAST power and having no tail with the CBEAST, but unfortunately that’s not realistic.
I’m sure I’m WAY over thinking all this and just need to buy one already.
My last questions are:
1) regarding the time factor....My car is a black Lexus is250. It has swirl marks all over from car washes, etc. If you were to 1 step it, how much of a time difference would it be with the CBEAST vs Supa BEAST? Just gauging in general how much extra time a CBEAST would take vs the Supa BEAST for a production detail.
2) I’ll be detailing a 2nd car that has heavy oxidation on the trunk. (Picture below) The CBEAST can handle it, correct? Thanks again for all your help. Much appreciated.
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That doesn’t look like oxidation to me, that looks like failed clear coat.
You bet.
Any tool that will remove light swirls out of soft paint will remove deep swirls out of hard paint it's just a "time" issue.
If you're not in a hurry then I the CBEAST is a capable tool. Just as important is the tool - you need to match the pad to the job and above all else - use great abrasive technology.
Hello. Any thoughts on the follow up questions? Also, I purchased the Pinnacle compound and polishes through Autogeek to cover the great abrasive technology portion. Thanks Mike.
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If by "follow-up" questions you mean fixing this paint?
I agree with dgage,
dgage said:
BUT here's the deal. I've seen paint as bad as this brought back to life, so like I've typed HUNDREDS of times on this forum,
You don't know what you can do until you try
So get out there and TRY.
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The two huge factors here are,
Skill and Experience
I have a ton of both - so how long it would take me to do the same job as someone that's brand new to this type of work could be HOURS, maybe days.
I can knock out most passenger size cars - doing a HEAVY correction step with the Supa BEAST in 2-3 hours using a quality one-step product.
If I were to use the CBEAST - I might had to add 2 more hours. The reason why is because if you're working on paint in bad condition trying to take it to GOOD or even GREAT condition - you're going to PUSH HARD with these types of tools.
The corded BEAST will simply take it. The cordless BEAST will chew through batteries and even when running with a fully charged battery it's simply not going to have the BRUTE POWER offered by a corded tool.
Corded tools, ANY BRAND - will not take the place of the BRUTE POWER you get with the Supa BEAST.
That's just a fact.
2) I’ll be detailing a 2nd car that has heavy oxidation on the trunk. (Picture below)
The CBEAST can handle it, correct?
That looks like clearcoat failure to me.
It's white and clearcoat is supposed to be clear. When clearcoat paint is neglected and abused for long periods of time it suffers clearcoat failure and the beginning stage of clearcoat failure is the clear paint tuns white.
Next it flakes off.
See my articles here,
Beginning Clearcoat Failure
The Clearcoat Failure Photo Archive
Also - If I were to use the CBEAST to tackle paint that looks like the paint in the picture - I would be using a microfiber pad with the Pinnacle Advanced Compound. The chase the results with a foam pad because FIBERS are ABRASIVES.
Fibers are a form of abrasive - Foam Pads vs Microfiber Pads by Mike Phillips
If it were me?
I would use the Supa BEAST for the car in the picture and the other car. It's just a matter of power, which means SPEED.
The two huge factors here are,
Skill and Experience
I have a ton of both - so how long it would take me to do the same job as someone that's brand new to this type of work could be HOURS, maybe days.
I can knock out most passenger size cars - doing a HEAVY correction step with the Supa BEAST in 2-3 hours using a quality one-step product.
If I were to use the CBEAST - I might had to add 2 more hours. The reason why is because if you're working on paint in bad condition trying to take it to GOOD or even GREAT condition - you're going to PUSH HARD with these types of tools.
The corded BEAST will simply take it. The cordless BEAST will chew through batteries and even when running with a fully charged battery it's simply not going to have the BRUTE POWER offered by a corded tool.
Corded tools, ANY BRAND - will not take the place of the BRUTE POWER you get with the Supa BEAST.
That's just a fact.
That looks like clearcoat failure to me.
It's white and clearcoat is supposed to be clear. When clearcoat paint is neglected and abused for long periods of time it suffers clearcoat failure and the beginning stage of clearcoat failure is the clear paint tuns white.
Next it flakes off.
See my articles here,
Beginning Clearcoat Failure
The Clearcoat Failure Photo Archive
Also - If I were to use the CBEAST to tackle paint that looks like the paint in the picture - I would be using a microfiber pad with the Pinnacle Advanced Compound. The chase the results with a foam pad because FIBERS are ABRASIVES.
Fibers are a form of abrasive - Foam Pads vs Microfiber Pads by Mike Phillips
If it were me?
I would use the Supa BEAST for the car in the picture and the other car. It's just a matter of power, which means SPEED.
Thanks Mike for all the detailed information once again. Made my decision to buy the Supa Beast, but it’s currently out of stock on Autogeek. Maybe you have some pull with Chris?
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That's my style. I post in-depth information that helps people.
Not like Facebook, YouTube and Instagram where you get one-liners from all the world's experts. :laughing:
We've learned that education, real-world stuff like I type - leads to sales.
but it’s currently out of stock on Autogeek.
Maybe you have some pull with Chris?
When I talk to him next - I'll ask him when we're getting our next shipment.
If I were you - if you really want one - I'd place my order ASAP. It's not going to get any better. We can't keep them in stock. Covid-19 is hampering production of all types of things on planet Earth. So by placing an order you get yourself in line.
Happy to help... that's what I do... I'm the car detailing world helper.
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As always great information. I want to add the Supa BEAST to my arsenal. However, you guys are out! On the notify list! But as always KEEP ON ROCKING!