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Well, it was clean when I left the garage

Do I at least get effort points for that?



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chilly said:
Well, it was clean when I left the garage

Do I at least get effort points for that?



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What brand winter tires your like up there Chilly

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Klasse Act said:
What brand winter tires your like up there Chilly

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Nokian Hakkepellita studded tires have been my first choice for years and are on the 4Runner

But each year they go up in price way more than the competitors and are almost 1 1/2 times the cost of the next best tire

When I got the little blue car in late October they were already out of my size in Nokian so I had to shop around and the only wheels and tires I could find at one dealer were Hankook i Pike studded tires

They are styled very much like the Nokians and the siping, stud pattern, etc are almost dead on

They have been really good

Since we bought the new car in February everyone was already almost out of winter tires but I found the rims and Cooper Evolution studded tires locally and they are nice as well

Both cars are all wheel drive so I feel good driving them
 
chilly said:
Nokian Hakkepellita studded tires have been my first choice for years and are on the 4Runner

But each year they go up in price way more than the competitors and are almost 1 1/2 times the cost of the next best tire

When I got the little blue car in late October they were already out of my size in Nokian so I had to shop around and the only wheels and tires I could find at one dealer were Hankook i Pike studded tires

They are styled very much like the Nokians and the siping, stud pattern, etc are almost dead on

They have been really good

Since we bought the new car in February everyone was already almost out of winter tires but I found the rims and Cooper Evolution studded tires locally and they are nice as well

Both cars are all wheel drive so I feel good driving them
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Interesting studded tires are allowed but considering your climate it's a must! How are the roads when the snows gone for the season

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Klasse Act said:
Interesting studded tires are allowed but considering your climate it's a must! How are the roads when the snows gone for the season

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All paved roads up here are blacktop, concrete doesn't last, so roads wear out faster because of the studs

Any road that is actively traveled will develop very pronounced ruts in it and they get to the point you drop into the ruts and it's like a slot car, you have to just go with the flow

The ruts tend to be pickup truck width and vehicles with wheel stances that are a bit wider or narrower can kind of bounce back and forth "hunting" the ruts

In the summer that's annoying, in the winter it is dangerous and people get flung out of a rut and lose control

The main highway has to be resurfaced in sections about every 3-4 years

Some of this is due to studs but they also use a softer compound up here to try and limit frost heaves and the like

I have had Bridgestone Blizzak studless and Nokian Studless in the past on 2 different vehicles and they are OK in the snow but they just don't cut it on the ice
 
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Interesting studded tires are allowed but considering your climate it's a must! How are the roads when the snows gone for the season
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Ha, I see that studded tires are not allowed in Illinois. I was looking up when they banned them here in NJ but it turns out they haven't, they are still legal from Nov. 15-April 1. They were fairly common here when everything was RWD and everyone did winter (drive wheel) tire changeovers. By the early 80's, all-season tires kind of killed the traditional winter tire changeovers here, which was further reduced by the preponderance of FWD and AWD vehicles. And of course today as Chilly noted, there are very good studless tires. My point is studded snows have become so uncommon here (in NJ) I just presumed they were no longer allowed.

Chilly, that is crazy about the ruts.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Ha, I see that studded tires are not allowed in Illinois. I was looking up when they banned them here in NJ but it turns out they haven't, they are still legal from Nov. 15-April 1. They were fairly common here when everything was RWD and everyone did winter (drive wheel) tire changeovers. By the early 80's, all-season tires kind of killed the traditional winter tire changeovers here, which was further reduced by the preponderance of FWD and AWD vehicles. And of course today as Chilly noted, there are very good studless tires. My point is studded snows have become so uncommon here (in NJ) I just presumed they were no longer allowed.

Chilly, that is crazy about the ruts.
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I think what a lot of people don’t take into account is snow vs ice

Any decent all weather tire on an AWD vehicle will do ok in a few inches of snow

But when it turns to ice you are screwed

I keep harping on the military people who transfer up here and have giant 4WD rigs with knobby monster tires and they think they are invincible until they hit their brakes on black ice and go sailing off into the ditch, usually taking innocent people with them

Or they used to say “I don’t need winter tires, I have front wheel drive” like that was some magic formula for traction



Bottom line is unless you have a super soft compound and it has a million sipes cut into it plus something sharp molded in, you are going to slide on ice

I think it was Nokian who came out with a studless tire quite a few years back that had crushed walnuts in the outer molding, theoretically the sharp edges would grip the ice but not damage the roadway



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Exactly. Those big knobby treaded tires that some of the 4x4 crowd like are terrible in winter. The tires are hard to fight off rocks off roading. Those tires become like hockey pucks in winter, just too hard for ice, they become scary.
I have always been a believer in job specific tires. Some people scoff and say all seasons work fine in winter. Yea, well winter tires work better, thats what they are designed for. Just like when winter ends you get them back off, they are not made for summer. I usually smile if someone tells me all seasons are fine and say "well why aren't all seasons used at the racetrack". Cause tires in specific catagories are made to favor those factors.
Quebec it's law to run winter tires in winter. While it can get expensive for some people to do that, especially today, it's 1 thing I do agree with in that province. 1 thing.
 
Silly Rabbit said:
Exactly. Those big knobby treaded tires that some of the 4x4 crowd like are terrible in winter. The tires are hard to fight off rocks off roading. Those tires become like hockey pucks in winter, just too hard for ice, they become scary.
I have always been a believer in job specific tires. Some people scoff and say all seasons work fine in winter. Yea, well winter tires work better, thats what they are designed for. Just like when winter ends you get them back off, they are not made for summer. I usually smile if someone tells me all seasons are fine and say "well why aren't all seasons used at the racetrack". Cause tires in specific catagories are made to favor those factors.
Quebec it's law to run winter tires in winter. While it can get expensive for some people to do that, especially today, it's 1 thing I do agree with in that province. 1 thing.
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Exactly

That is one reason the military people are such a problem

"I'm only here for 2 years so I'm not spending $$$ on some @#$%^&* tires"

And up here a seasonal tire changeover on a vehicle with TPS sensors runs $125 a pop so $250 a year, and people don't want to pay that

Plus the wear and tear on the tires and rims when the shops are in crunch mode because they hire derelicts off the street to try and cope with the people that wait until a winter storm hits and then are screaming for tire changeovers

That's why I buy winter tires and rims for all my rigs and change them myself

Over the life of the tires the rims are more than paid for when you aren't shelling out $250 a year to have your beads ruined, your wheels scratched up, and your studs stretched out by a moron with an industrial impact wrench
 
Silly Rabbit said:
Exactly. Those big knobby treaded tires that some of the 4x4 crowd like are terrible in winter. The tires are hard to fight off rocks off roading. Those tires become like hockey pucks in winter, just too hard for ice, they become scary.
I have always been a believer in job specific tires. Some people scoff and say all seasons work fine in winter. Yea, well winter tires work better, thats what they are designed for. Just like when winter ends you get them back off, they are not made for summer. I usually smile if someone tells me all seasons are fine and say "well why aren't all seasons used at the racetrack". Cause tires in specific catagories are made to favor those factors.
Quebec it's law to run winter tires in winter. While it can get expensive for some people to do that, especially today, it's 1 thing I do agree with in that province. 1 thing.
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Agree with all of this and it's why all-weather tires are becoming a thing, like Michelin Cross Climates

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Silly Rabbit said:
Exactly. Those big knobby treaded tires that some of the 4x4 crowd like are terrible in winter. The tires are hard to fight off rocks off roading. Those tires become like hockey pucks in winter, just too hard for ice, they become scary.
I have always been a believer in job specific tires. Some people scoff and say all seasons work fine in winter. Yea, well winter tires work better, thats what they are designed for. Just like when winter ends you get them back off, they are not made for summer. I usually smile if someone tells me all seasons are fine and say "well why aren't all seasons used at the racetrack". Cause tires in specific catagories are made to favor those factors.
Quebec it's law to run winter tires in winter. While it can get expensive for some people to do that, especially today, it's 1 thing I do agree with in that province. 1 thing.
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I see a lot of the big knobby tyres, or muddies as they're called over here, around my area, and while we don't get the cold winters you guys get, we do get some rain. And the muddies are horrible in the wet as well, most are designed for 80% off road use and only 20% on. I think most buy them for how tough they look.

I had Yokohama G015 in a light truck construction in the standard size for FJ, 265/70-17. They were great off road, on road they were fine in the dry, but scary in the wet. When I got my black wheels I bought the G015 again, but in 285/65-17 with radial construction. Still really good off road, better on road, and better in the wet, but still somewhat slippery. As another plus I get better fuel economy with the radials, by 1-2 mpg, and they're probably quieter. Does anyone really like driving around on muddies making that horrible ROROROROR noise.
 
chilly said:
I think what a lot of people don’t take into account is snow vs ice
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Definitely.

chilly said:
Or they used to say “I don’t need winter tires, I have front wheel drive” like that was some magic formula for traction
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I had a conversation with a woman once who I thought was quite daft, who was asking me if I thought she was going to be able to get up this snow-covered hill. I said "do you have snow tires?" and her reply was "I have a Honda". So I ask again, "do you have snow tires?"..."no, I have a Honda"...at this point I'm getting exasperated, I say, "I understand what kind of car you have, but do you have snow tires??" And she says "I have a Honda, I don't need snow tires" which I guess is what the dealer told her (by virtue of the FWD), so then I understood...and just said "well, I'm sure you'll be able to get up that hill if you have snow tires".

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I think it was Nokian who came out with a studless tire quite a few years back that had crushed walnuts in the outer molding, theoretically the sharp edges would grip the ice but not damage the roadway
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What was that other one that had the ceramic particles in the tread? I don't remember the walnut shells in the Nokians.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Definitely.


I had a conversation with a woman once who I thought was quite daft, who was asking me if I thought she was going to be able to get up this snow-covered hill. I said "do you have snow tires?" and her reply was "I have a Honda". So I ask again, "do you have snow tires?"..."no, I have a Honda"...at this point I'm getting exasperated, I say, "I understand what kind of car you have, but do you have snow tires??" And she says "I have a Honda, I don't need snow tires" which I guess is what the dealer told her (by virtue of the FWD), so then I understood...and just said "well, I'm sure you'll be able to get up that hill if you have snow tires".



What was that other one that had the ceramic particles in the tread? I don't remember the walnut shells in the Nokians.
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I don’t remember ceramic particles but for well over a decade I just got new Nokians if I got a new rig or needed new tires

I had childlike faith in them and honestly never thought about branching out or doing research

Maybe it was the Blizzaks that had walnut shells

These are Keen winter boots I bought a couple winters back

Super soft compound, sipes on some islands, and the yellow is fiberglass shards that are supposed to dig into the ice

They are pretty bombproof

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Not sure if this is the same thing, but I wondered why my latest pair of Merrells had white flecks in the sole. I still wear them occasionally but I bought some new Skechers for the warmer weather.
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Big Dave said:
Not sure if this is the same thing, but I wondered why my latest pair of Merrells had white flecks in the sole. I still wear them occasionally but I bought some new Skechers for the warmer weather.
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Sure looks like it to me

Were they a cold weather model?


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