The story of 3 H's - Horrendous, Horror Story and Hack Detailers...

with so many custom paint jobs today...you would think that someone would induce swirls on a car's paint job and say its the new fad...that way, you cant have a bad detail experience!
 
bimmer325! said:
with so many custom paint jobs today...you would think that someone would induce swirls on a car's paint job and say its the new fad...that way, you cant have a bad detail experience!
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That would mess with my head so bad if I didn't know it was on purpose, and couldn't get the swirls out, haha. I'd wanna kill them for not telling me.
 
Not sure how often people are looking at this thread, but I am looking to buff out some moderate swirl marks on my black CTS-V. It is a daily driver and has flaws, so I am not interested in investing huge sums of money in detailing supplies beyond compounds and pads (like a DA polisher). I have a rotary buffer that I used to buff out a wetsanded paint job I did (my first and full of orange peel) using Perfect-It II and the eggcrate foam pads. From what I have read I will likely use the Mequiar's 105/205 combo with new Lake County pads, but after seeing this I am concerned that my lack of experience with a rotary might be shown off with the black paint. Are there some good articles on here to show me the basics? When I did the Bronco it turned out great. Maybe it was beginner's luck, but I suppose with this forum the how to knowledge is here somewhere.

Thanks,
Ben
 
munsonbw said:
From what I have read I will likely use the Mequiar's 105/205 combo with new Lake County pads, but after seeing this I am concerned that my lack of experience with a rotary might be shown off with the black paint.

Are there some good articles on here to show me the basics? When I did the Bronco it turned out great. Maybe it was beginner's luck, but I suppose with this forum the how to knowledge is here somewhere.

Thanks,
Ben
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Hi Ben,

M105 and M205 are very good products for use with rotary buffers and they've raised the bar when it comes to buffing out swirl free with a rotary buffer. It can still be a challenge however because not all paints are easily polished swirl free.


Check out my reply in this thread,

Is it worth it to get the new Flex PE14-2-150?


And this one,

How do you stay away from holograms?


If you want to ensure that you're leaving a 100% rotary buffer induced swirl-free finish, then change the action of the tool for your last machine step and finish out with a DA polisher.

Also, sine this was your first post to our forum....

Welcome to Autogeek Online!

:welcome:
 
Thanks Mike and thanks to Autogeek for supporting this forum! I will return the favor once I have a materials list and support you guys.
 
I am new to detailing and I am a hobbyist working on just my own cars. What I'm seeing here drives home the point to me that I better just stick to a random orbital unless I get the proper training and experience to try my hand with rotary buffers. Thanks for the pictures and heads up.
 
JSMet said:
What I'm seeing here drives home the point to me that I better just stick to a random orbital unless I get the proper training and experience to try my hand with rotary buffers.
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Michael:

Expecting the best and preparing for the worst. If the body shop is that bad I do not want them to retry their skills on my car twice. I will take my own chances.

Here is a question what kind of Foam pad do you recommend to get under the door handle to remove nail scratches my wife's black Mercedes-Benz 300E. I want to post some picture of the procedure I use how do you do that? if it works God hoping LOL I order $500.00 of products last night from you company that will not account for the last two orders I placed which bring it up to $800.00

I am rereading you book and underlining what I feel are important notes. Glad I got two copies. this copy is my work book. Can you send me an itinerary of your classes for 2012. what kind of classes are offered and the best months of the year to fly to Florida. I have health problems with heat. I do better in temperatures of 60 to 70s C. A list of hotels around your facility would be most appreciated.

Sincerely
Bob & Sharon Geco
Long Beach , CA.
 
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Is it just me or was the effect kind of cool? The swirls definitely suck, but seeing the sun rays and light rays shined all over the hood in a non-uniform pattern kind of seemed artsy looking.

Don't take this the wrong way, I would never want that finish on my car, just thought it looked cool :laughing:
 
ihaveacamaro said:
Is it just me or was the effect kind of cool? The swirls definitely suck, but seeing the sun rays and light rays shined all over the hood in a non-uniform pattern kind of seemed artsy looking.
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Sometimes you'll see metalwork purposefully swirled out by the craftsman, this usually done to metals like stainless steel that won't rust and thus doesn't have to be coated so the artsy swirl design ground into the metal will endure.


:)
 
wow... That was sickening to see on any car!, much more-so on a black mustang. Looks like you or whoever did this is a freaking miracle worker... Too bad you are in Florida, or else I would love to attend one of your classes. Let me know if you ever have a class in the Portland / Seattle area, lol. Thanks for all the advice and information. I've been browsing for what seems like days, and I am barley scratching the surface...
 
Starsky said:
wow... That was sickening to see on any car!, much more-so on a black mustang. Looks like you or whoever did this is a freaking miracle worker...
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It was me, I used the Megs DA Correction System and from start to finish it took me about 6 hours and I never claim to be the fastest detailer in the world.


Starsky said:
Too bad you are in Florida, or else I would love to attend one of your classes.
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At my last class I had two people fly in from the West Coast, Seattle and L.A.

Starsky said:
Let me know if you ever have a class in the Portland / Seattle area, lol.
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I was the Meguiar's Trainer for Oregon, Washington and Idaho for 3 years taught TONS of classes in your area... you just missed them all...


Starsky said:
Thanks for all the advice and information. I've been browsing for what seems like days, and I am barley scratching the surface...
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Great forum here, lots of awesome members, read, learn, ask questions you'll get better and better... then help others...

Here's the write-up for this Mustang...


2006 Mustang GT Convertible - Meguiar’s DA Microfiber Polishing System



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I had a few minor holograms like that but I thought it was from that oily wax build up I had
 
fightnews said:
I had a few minor holograms like that but I thought it was from that oily wax build up I had
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You can have what looks like swirly paint and the swirl-look is simply messed up wax application or wipe off.

But these pictures here show holograms and they are a specific scratch pattern imparted into paint by a rotary buffer.


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Thanks for bringing this up.

This is a concise, well written article that sums up what we see on the streets on a daily basis.

Kudos.
 
RPM_BR said:
Thanks for bringing this up. This is a concise, well written article that sums up what we see on the streets on a daily basis.

Kudos.
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Thank you for the compliment.


And just to point out, this article is almost 7 years old and it's just as accurate today as the day I wrote and posted it.

Here's the time stamp on the first post of this thread


08-24-2010, 04:45 PM


And also just to point out, when reading this article, note how I wrote it VERY CAREFULLY so as not to hurt anyone's feelings as that was not and is not my intention. My intention was to simply state what the reality is of detailing in our industry.



:)
 
Mike Phillips said:
I met plenty of "detailers" and also "Painter's Helpers", that knew they were instilling swirls as a result of their buffing work but there was nothing they could do about it outside of quiting.

In these situations, these are employees provided products and tools by the company and their job is to do the best they can with what they are given. I know for a fact that many of these people knew they were doing hack work and didn't like it but the situation they were in was out of their control.
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Mike,
i have read through this thread a few times since I joined this forum, and this really caught my attention this time through. I must've scanned over it the first couple times.

-Anyways, this caught my attention as I was in this situation at one point in time with a previous job. It is not a fun situation to be in, and its even worse for those of us with diagnosed OCD. Having to produce hack work of your own to cover up/fix hack work from careless painters- just to get a vehicle out the door on schedule -is not something I wish upon anyone.
 
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