Thumbs Down on LC HT Pads

Funny thing the other week I just have another meg pad fail on me after just 1 use.
I contacted meguiar and they told me that they have new improved pads that are now made in USA. So they send me replacements and I asked if I could exchange out my other brand new meg pads for the newer version, then when I finally receive it 1 out of 6 has some small defect, seems like they didn't glue the Velcro completely, like one corner is coming off because there's no glue.

Contacted them again and they send me 1 extra one for free on top of the defect.
So I received 2 and 1 of them have the same problem....
Now I'm just waiting for their email reply about this
 
fenderpicks said:
Funny thing the other week I just have another meg pad fail on me after just 1 use.
I contacted meguiar and they told me that they have new improved pads that are now made in USA. So they send me replacements and I asked if I could exchange out my other brand new meg pads for the newer version, then when I finally receive it 1 out of 6 has some small defect, seems like they didn't glue the Velcro completely, like one corner is coming off because there's no glue.

Contacted them again and they send me 1 extra one for free on top of the defect.
So I received 2 and 1 of them have the same problem....
Now I'm just waiting for their email reply about this
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Who are you buying them from? Direct?
 
fenderpicks said:
Funny thing the other week I just have another meg pad fail on me after just 1 use.
I contacted meguiar and they told me that they have new improved pads that are now made in USA. So they send me replacements and I asked if I could exchange out my other brand new meg pads for the newer version, then when I finally receive it 1 out of 6 has some small defect, seems like they didn't glue the Velcro completely, like one corner is coming off because there's no glue.

Contacted them again and they send me 1 extra one for free on top of the defect.
So I received 2 and 1 of them have the same problem....
Now I'm just waiting for their email reply about this
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hahaha you probably beating them up with your tag team rupes 15 and 21 baller! lol jk
 
No problems here with any of my LC pads..... Hydro tech, microfibers, and flats all get great results.
 
spiralout462 said:
I have to really put forth some effort to separate my Hydrotechs from the LC backing plate. 5"bp and 5.5" pads. I have been nothing but pleased with all Lake Country pads, however I haven't tried Meg's since I haven't felt the need to.
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What he said ! Using either the HT or Hybrid line of LC pads, I've been nothing but satisfied and have not been given a reason to try something else. If it ain't broke....
 
Artbuc said:
Just used the cyan with Meg UC. Pad cut ok but the nap is too tight to properly grab my backing plate. In fact, the pad wouldn't stay on at speed 5 on my PC DA. I'm going back to Meg pads.
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Hmmm....

What backing plate do you have?

Is it old?

The hooks wear out on the hook side of hook-n-loop interfaces.

Every time you remove a pad from a backing plate you stretch the plastic hook and over time you lose attachment strength.

I cover this in my how to book on page 53

Did you purchase a new DA Polisher yet? Or are you still using the same PC and same backing plate you mention here?


http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...polisher/60504-worth-upgrading-pc-7424xp.html


Artbuc said:
Hi folks! I have a PC 7335 that I bought from Meg 15 years ago.
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Also, thinner pads rotate better on DA polishers than thicker pads. The LC Hydro, Flat and CCS are all 7/8" thin while the Meguiar's W7006, W8006 and W9006 are all at just about an 1 1/4", that's about twice as thick as the LC pad. (notice the Megs MF pads are thin?)

I've been using and teaching people to use the Megs re-branded PC since it was introduced and have a little bit of experience with it and their pads and I'm never going to knock them as I have buffed out hundreds of cars with them but like one of my articles says...

Thin is in... New Lake Country Hydro-Tech Low Profile 5 1/2 x 7/8 Inch Foam Pads


While the thick Meguiar's foam pads may rotate very well when you first start out, as they become saturated with product, and that's inevitable as you work around the car, you'll find out that wet, saturated thick pads don't rotate very well.

I talk about this in this article...

WG TSR/FG & PC 7335 Technique


Mike Phillips said:
With any process using a first generation PC style polisher, as soon as you notice the pad to stop rotating under pressure, one way to restore pad rotation and oscillation is to switch to a clean, dry pad. Of course this means having more clean, dry pads on hand.

When I went to buff out a 1954 Corvette for Corvette Mike I took lots of extra polishing pads because at that time the only DA style polishers available were the first generation polishers and I knew as my pads became wet with product they would stop rotating and the job would take longer. This car had an antique lacquer paint job on it so I didn't want to use rotary buffer but instead play it safe and use the PC.


I count 7 yellow polishing pads in the below picture, as one pad would quit rotating effectively I would swap it out to a clean, dry pad.

54VetteEM001.jpg
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Just some food for thought...


I guess I was kind of surprised to log-in to the forum this morning and see anyone putting down Lake Country pads, they are of very high quality in my professional opinion.

I use the 5.5" all the time with all the PC "type" tools and get nothing but stellar performance out of them.


:dunno:
 
Look at the right hand column...

BackingPlatesinBook.jpg





Point being, the loop side isn't the crucial side as far as wear-n-tear goes it's the hook side.

It's also important to use hook-n-loop that is matched to one another. I cover this in my how-to book also. If you're using a backing plate that came from Meguiar's that came with your Meguiar's G100 from years ago chances are good not only are the hooks worn out but it's completely possible the hook design, (besides being worn out), might not match the brand new style of loop material on the brand new pads you're using.


If you've purchased a brand new backing plate it's still possible that the hook side doesn't match the loop material and I cover this in my how-to book also.


Just some food for thought. I know the people at both Meguiar's and Lake Country and they make top shelf products. I'm telling you... and I mean this in a friendly manner, the problem isn't in the materials being used to make the pads.


:)
 
Yes, I am using my old Meg backing plate. Based on your recommendation, I am going to buy a new LC backing plate. Also, as you stated, the low profile 5.5" HT pads spin so well on my old DA polisher, I don't think I need to buy a new one.
 
Artbuc said:
Yes, I am using my old Meg backing plate. Based on your recommendation, I am going to buy a new LC backing plate. Also, as you stated, the low profile 5.5" HT pads spin so well on my old DA polisher, I don't think I need to buy a new one.
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And because I know there are millions of these polishers in the world I wrote an article just for the first generation Porter Cable DA Polishers...



The short how-to guide for using a DA Polisher
How to maximize the ability of the 1st Generation Porter Cable Dual Action Polishers



I'm liking we were able to get down to the root cause of the problem.

The LC backing plate works great and lasts a long time...



:)
 
Mike.Phillips@Autogeek said:
The LC Hydro, Flat and CCS are all 7/8" thin while the Meguiar's W7006, W8006 and W9006 are all at just about an 1 1/4", that's about twice as thick as the LC pad. (notice the Megs MF pads are thin?)
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Mike, am I missing something here?

7/8 x 2 = 1 3/4 inch which is a whole half inch bigger than 1 1/4 inch...

:dunno:
 
There are many different combinations of hook and loop (velcro). Hook and loop are matched like a nut and bolt. Some mfgrs. use an aggressive loop and some use a shorter nap length loop. This will affect on how the backing plate sticks to the pad.
 
The Pad Man said:
There are many different combinations of hook and loop (velcro). Hook and loop are matched like a nut and bolt. Some mfgrs. use an aggressive loop and some use a shorter nap length loop. This will affect on how the backing plate sticks to the pad.
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Oh boy...another thing to worry about...it's not bad enough I had to add meteors to my list this week?
 
ihaveacamaro said:
Mike, am I missing something here?

7/8 x 2 = 1 3/4 inch which is a whole half inch bigger than 1 1/4 inch...

:dunno:
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Hey thanks for taking the time to do the actual math. I don't do math in my head any more so I just took a quick stab at it.

The BIG picture is thicker pads don't work as well as thinner pads on da tools like the PC.

They'lll rotate under pressure till they start to get wet with product and then performance falls off...

That was the point I made here back in 2009 on this forum....

Mike Phillips said:
With any process using a first generation PC style polisher, as soon as you notice the pad to stop rotating under pressure, one way to restore pad rotation and oscillation is to switch to a clean, dry pad. Of course this means having more clean, dry pads on hand.

When I went to buff out a 1954 Corvette for Corvette Mike I took lots of extra polishing pads because at that time the only DA style polishers available were the first generation polishers and I knew as my pads became wet with product they would stop rotating and the job would take longer.

This car had an antique lacquer paint job on it so I didn't want to use rotary buffer but instead play it safe and use the PC.

I count 7 yellow polishing pads in the below picture, as one pad would quit rotating effectively I would swap it out to a clean, dry pad.

54VetteEM001.jpg


54VetteEM002.jpg


54VetteEM003.jpg


54VetteEM004.jpg


54VetteEM005.jpg
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And this is why I normally always type each and every word so carefully with everything I write.


Thanks Roshan...


:)
 
The Pad Man said:
There are many different combinations of hook and loop (velcro). Hook and loop are matched like a nut and bolt. Some mfgrs. use an aggressive loop and some use a shorter nap length loop. This will affect on how the backing plate sticks to the pad.
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Thank you so much for chiming in Eric. I had a meeting to attend first thing this morning and after that I was going to send you the link to this thread. I'm glad you found it and chimed in already.

You know I love your products and trust they are of the very highest quality from experience. So when I see comments that don't reflect what I know from first hand experience I like to find out what's going on and make sure accurate information is being presented.


:dblthumb2:
 
Mike.Phillips@Autogeek said:
Hey thanks for taking the time to do the actual math. I don't do math in my head any more so I just took a quick stab at it.

The BIG picture is thicker pads don't work as well as thinner pads on da tools like the PC.

They'lll rotate under pressure till they start to get wet with product and then performance falls off...

And this is why I normally always type each and every word so carefully with everything I write.


Thanks Roshan...


:lauging:
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Haha ok I was just making sure we were on the same page! I do like my low profile hydrotechs more than my normal sized ones :)
 
It's more likely the backing plate that's the issue, not the pad itself. LC backing plates grab onto pads a lot more than the Megs backing plate does. I have to really work to get pads off of the LC backing plate, but the Megs they come right off. I use H20 pads and MF pads on both.
 
RZJZA80 said:
It's more likely the backing plate that's the issue, not the pad itself. LC backing plates grab onto pads a lot more than the Megs backing plate does. I have to really work to get pads off of the LC backing plate, but the Megs they come right off. I use H20 pads and MF pads on both.
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I notice the same thing. I use a 3.5 LC plate for my 4" Megs pads. I really have to use some effort to get them off.

On my Megs plates, the pads come off easy when needed. You can also tell the quality difference in a Megs plate vs an LC plate. Hence, wont be buying any more LC plates in the future.
 
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