Topping HD Speed with sealant

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I was planning to use Wolfgang paint sealant as a topper over HD Speed. Maybe a couple weeks apart. My concern is I don’t know what the protectant is in the Speed. It only says wax on the bottle and nothing about polymer. Since doing sealant over wax would be a waste of time I’d like to know what’s really in there before I use it. Should I just polish and seal instead? Thanks.
 
Look up HD Poxy. That's what the wax in Speed is. Montan wax.
 
I did go back and read the description of HD Speed and it does clearly say wax. Did some paintwork on a door bottom on my truck and am also prepping the front bumper for paint. I’ll need to compound anyway so might as well just do the whole thing and use sealant. Thanks.
 
soobaroo said:
I did go back and read the description of HD Speed and it does clearly say wax. Did some paintwork on a door bottom on my truck and am also prepping the front bumper for paint. I’ll need to compound anyway so might as well just do the whole thing and use sealant. Thanks.
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Same case here. I put on Speed last weekend and was hoping on letting the protection wear off for a week or two and then top with PBL sealant. I think I’m still going to try this anyways as Speed is said to have poor durability and 10 days of rain should hopefully weaken enough that the sealant can bond.

Note that someone on the forum mentioned WG DGPS had trouble bonding to Speed, but many other accounts say that the topping sealant performed fine on top of Speed.
 
acuRAS82 said:
Same case here. I put on Speed last weekend and was hoping on letting the protection wear off for a week or two and then top with PBL sealant. I think I’m still going to try this anyways as Speed is said to have poor durability and 10 days of rain should hopefully weaken enough that the sealant can bond.

Note that someone on the forum mentioned WG DGPS had trouble bonding to Speed, but many other accounts say that the topping sealant performed fine on top of Speed.
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If the directions on the sealant say to apply to a wax free surface, a cleaner wax isn't going to accommodate that particular situation.
 
dlc95 said:
If the directions on the sealant say to apply to a wax free surface, a cleaner wax isn't going to accommodate that particular situation.
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Directions state to clay or polish if necessary. I may consider adding 1-2oz APC to my wash solution prior to adding the PBL sealant, but I’m skeptical whether that’s even necessary.
 
acuRAS82 said:
Directions state to clay or polish if necessary. I may consider adding 1-2oz APC to my wash solution prior to adding the PBL sealant, but I’m skeptical whether that’s even necessary.
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That might be overkill.
 
dlc95 said:
That might be overkill.
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Agree. With easy going directions such as “Clay or polish if necessary”, no mention of sparkling clean surface required, I’m liking the chances of PBL sealant having enough bonding capability to handle a 10 day old Speed app underneath... my guess is that the sealant will remove the weak Speed during application.
 
Update: The horror of it all!!! My wife took her car into the dealer today and I forgot to tell her not to let them wash it! Until I get home from work and see for myself, I’m going to assume swirls now exist on her newly-Speed-polished-surface, and that the protection may be totally compromised at this point.

Maybe I’m over worrying and it won’t be too bad (I’m praying I don’t find significant swirling). Not worried about the protection loss since I’m trying to put sealant on soon. I’m sad right now.
 
acuRAS82 said:
Update: The horror of it all!!! My wife took her car into the dealer today and I forgot to tell her not to let them wash it! Until I get home from work and see for myself, I’m going to assume swirls now exist on her newly-Speed-polished-surface, and that the protection may be totally compromised at this point.

Maybe I’m over worrying and it won’t be too bad (I’m praying I don’t find significant swirling). Not worried about the protection loss since I’m trying to put sealant on soon. I’m sad right now.
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If the dealer got a hold of it, then it is full of scratches, water spots, smears and paw prints. You may have to go over it again with the HD Speed. After that, perhaps you can try some Collinite.
 
I don’t get many opportunities to throw away 4 hours straight on a weekend, ignoring my family without hearing all the grumbling and smart@$$ comments made for the week after. I won’t be able to polish again soon. I will get used to the swirls all over the sides (confirmed) and massive water spots all over the hood and roof (confirmed). Life sucks sometimes. Dealerships (most) suck.
 
acuRAS82 said:
I don’t get many opportunities to throw away 4 hours straight on a weekend, ignoring my family without hearing all the grumbling and smart@$$ comments made for the week after. I won’t be able to polish again soon. I will get used to the swirls all over the sides (confirmed) and massive water spots all over the hood and roof (confirmed). Life sucks sometimes. Dealerships (most) suck.
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It's called DISO my friend..Dealer Installed Swirl Option
 
The general rule is don’t put a long lasting sealant over wax. The wax is going to come off in short order and take whatever is on top of it with it. You might be better off making sure the wax is removed first but I’m no expert on this stuff.
 
I would just use a pure polish, then the sealer.
 
I can always take a vacation day from work to go at it again, while the kid is at daycare and wife doing whatever. Thank you all for condolences... I feel a bit better.

Does Speed fill a lot? I’m thinking I didn’t do nearly as good a job as I thought and the car wash just washed away the fillers... there’s a lot of tiny hair line swirls that I don’t remember after Speed with an orange pad... or was the wash thaaat bad?
 
I should note above that I wasn’t going for perfection with Speed and Orange LCs, just looking to get it presentable after a year of touching, but it looked pretty scratch free when I wiped off, only inspecting in day light (not swirl finder, which I used today to inspect).

Paint is black 2016 Audi
 
Speed doesn't fill very much.

That dealer hack job put the scratches back into the paint. :/
 
Dealer car washes are tough on paint. Just check out the equipment they use next time you go to the dealer. Expect dirty rags (non microfiber), worn out brushes that they will use on paint, and just a general dirty wash area. I really hate the water spots from the hard water they use too. Get some signs that say “do not wash” and put them in the glove box and save yourself a ton of work.
 
Yeah, I know. I failed this case. I have a picture in my head of their dirty wash. My heart sunk to the floor when my wife told me the car was wet when the appointment was over.
 
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