TORQ10FX Random Orbital

SameGuy said:
But, umm, why would you need a "substitution for the PC around the same price point"?
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I agree if it's just a little better balanced and smoother it's not worth it. If it has better correction ability then yes. I can't justify spending $350+ for a Flex or Rupes but if this or the MT300 are a definite step up from the PC,GG I would think about it.
 
Wewtloops said:
The PC bothers my rotator cuff (not directly, just shooting pain down my arm) because of the lack of grip.

Did you actually read the thread?
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I've read the thread, but I don't commit every poster's minor comments to memory. Please, forgive me. :rolleyes:

FWIW, how is the grip different enough to lessen any shoulder strain? You're still doing the exact same movements with the exact same stances and using your arms the exact same way. I mostly hold the PC by the body with my right hand, and guide it and apply downward pressure with my left on the cowl. The grip on this Chinese tool looks to be positioned the same as the PC's body, the only difference being its girth and shape. I can't see grip being the issue in your case.
 
The only polisher I have found that actually makes a difference in user comfort is the Rupes 15/21. Not necessarily because of the ergonomics or smoothness (although that helps); but for the simple fact you do not need to use the 15lbs or so of downward force required on 8mm throw machines to achieve similar/better correction and finishing.

8mm throw machines will still require significant downward force (you exerting your force/energy on the machine) regardless of how smooth or what there ergonomics are. It's my opinion that this force is the primary factor of what makes traditional 8mm dual action machines more fatiguing to use.
 
I surmise that the long throw helps that way, and it would also cut time needed for correction by quite a bit. The Flex presumably cuts correction time as well with its geared rotation. So either one would do more for cutting fatigue than simply contouring a grip -- notwithstanding the fact that we know little about this TORQ polisher other than the industry-leading 8 mm throw and the unique numerical display and genuine metal spindle shroud; for all we know it bogs if you so much as look at it.
 
SameGuy said:
I've read the thread, but I don't commit every poster's minor comments to memory. Please, forgive me. :rolleyes:

FWIW, how is the grip different enough to lessen any shoulder strain? You're still doing the exact same movements with the exact same stances and using your arms the exact same way. I mostly hold the PC by the body with my right hand, and guide it and apply downward pressure with my left on the cowl. The grip on this Chinese tool looks to be positioned the same as the PC's body, the only difference being its girth and shape. I can't see grip being the issue in your case.
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Because there's more than 1 way to hold the polisher, I think. Either that or I'm the only left handed detailer on the east. Sigh..

I'm done here. You're the type of person who hates change and starts sweating when it happens. It's okay.

I'll let you guys know how the tool actually performs rather than reading some text on a screen and watching a YouTube video.
 
Wewtloops said:
Because there's more than 1 way to hold the polisher, I think. Either that or I'm the only left handed detailer on the east. Sigh..

I'm done here. You're the type of person who hates change and starts sweating when it happens. It's okay.

I'll let you guys know how the tool actually performs rather than reading some text on a screen and watching a YouTube video.
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^ reads, joins, and posts on forums and then states reading texts on screens is useless. Your opinions and statements have now become contradictory and beyond suspect.
 
SameGuy said:
I've read the thread, but I don't commit every poster's minor comments to memory. Please, forgive me. :rolleyes:

FWIW, how is the grip different enough to lessen any shoulder strain? You're still doing the exact same movements with the exact same stances and using your arms the exact same way. I mostly hold the PC by the body with my right hand, and guide it and apply downward pressure with my left on the cowl. The grip on this Chinese tool looks to be positioned the same as the PC's body, the only difference being its girth and shape. I can't see grip being the issue in your case.
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The PC has almost zero ergonomics and requires you to grip the body of the tool which is much larger than any handle on any power tool. In conjunction with the jackhammer-like vibration, the PC can be uncomfortable for many users. Grip is a huge determinant when it comes to comfort—much like the handle size on a tennis racket or golf club.
 
I didn't read this entire thread. I watched the videos and read all the info on the site. Does anyone know what size motor it has?
 
Funny, new poster knows more about me than I do. I guess he's the type of person who hates it when anybody makes observations, but what do I know. Whatevs.

Whomever gets one, I hope you like it and I look forward to reading your honest reviews, as always.

Personally, I'm waiting for a no-exceptions, polishers-included sale to join the 3401 fanboyz.
 
SonOfOC said:
The PC has almost zero ergonomics and requires you to grip the body of the tool which is much larger than any handle on any power tool. In conjunction with the jackhammer-like vibration, the PC can be uncomfortable for many users. Grip is a huge determinant when it comes to comfort—much like the handle size on a tennis racket or golf club.
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My PC runs pretty smooth, it's my Meguires machine that has the serious vibration issues.
 
SameGuy said:
Funny, new poster knows more about me than I do. I guess he's the type of person who hates it when anybody makes observations, but what do I know. Whatevs.
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It is pretty funny, actually. Sad, but funny.

RobRabbit2.5 said:
^ reads, joins, and posts on forums and then states reading texts on screens is useless. Your opinions and statements have now become contradictory and beyond suspect.
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^ reads, posts about contradictory and quotes Twain, but doesn't know what the word contradictory means. Point out what was contradicting and I'll give you the "You Tried" star.

:xyxthumbs: :wow:
 
Different strokes, I guess. I never, EVER grip the PC body so hard as to promote strains and fatigue. It's not a high-torque hammer drill that requires a strong grip. It does its best work when it is being finessed and guided. In fact, I shift my grip all the time and maintain a subtle hold of the tool, same way I don't forcefully grip a steering wheel or bicycle handlebars. I kind of prefer the lack of a molded grip confining me to one position, the same way removing the side handle on the PC (or the bale handle on other tools) gives more freedom to guide the tool with precision.
 
DaveT435 said:
My PC runs pretty smooth, it's my Meguires machine that has the serious vibration issues.
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Wow! if you think a PC is smooth...then a Flex or Rupes is smooth x 100.

I lost teeth using the PC.:dblthumb2:
 
it seems like the future of traditional style DA's may be similiar to what's out now with same/similiar body design of the rupes/flex, etc. for the balance/ergonomics, etc. if there isn't much or any change (larger throw, more torque, etc) in what's already out currently with the PC style body, that doesn't justify enough for me to buy another DA (i'm sure many would agree). i'm surprised Griot's hasn't come out with a new DA (same body style as the formentioned) with the same/more torque of the GG6 with or without a larger throw. everyone who owns a GG6 knows what a little beast that thing is...
 
Wewtloops said:
It is pretty funny, actually. Sad, but funny.



^ reads, posts about contradictory and quotes Twain, but doesn't know what the word contradictory means. Point out what was contradicting and I'll give you the "You Tried" star.

:xyxthumbs: :wow:
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Contradictory - adjective - mutually opposed or inconsistent.

I already pointed out what was contradictory. I'm just trying to help ya out.

It's cool though bro, enjoy that buffer. I look forward to reading your review of it.
 
SonOfOC said:
Wow! if you think a PC is smooth...then a Flex or Rupes is smooth x 100.

I lost teeth using the PC.:dblthumb2:
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I want a flex...just haven't pulled the trigger yet. I used tha Megs machine again today OMG. That machine is rough.
 
I watched their video. A few comments:

1. They show a picture of a competitive polisher but it not a name brand (PC, Griots. Flex, Rupes).

2. The video emphasizes the feature of just 6 discrete settings - no in between. They highlight there is a speed change a every setting and highlight the fact that when you turn off and back on it the speed is set to 0.

3. I did not realize a hex logic pad will self-prime by just putting 5 blobs of polish - no messy fingers.

4, Motor is 2x as powerful as any other polisher on the market.

5. It has a safety feature were on curved section when one side of pad is in contact the pad will slow down to protect the paint.

Specs:

Part Number
BUF_501X
Manufacturer Part Number
TORQ10FX
Speed Control Yes
O.P.M. 1,500 - 4,200
Power 700 W
Weight 5.5 lbs
Energy Efficient Yes
Safe for Enthusiasts Yes
Safe for Professionals Yes

It does state 8mm throw on the web site.
 
Well, part of my disdain is due to the label on the blue Simoniz machine that says, "Your POS Polisher."

Rule number two of marketing is: don't disrespect your customer.
 
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