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I'm interested in this, the kit they offer is the same price as the machine alone. It comes with their V line polishing sample kit. White, black & red 5.5 hex logic pads & 2 different backing plate. For $199 that seems like a really good deal, even if it's not any better than Megs MT300. I don't have $400 to drop on a DA, but would like to get one soon. I'll wait for review of both and see which is better.

Yes, 8mm throw is going to limit it a lot, but for the price of a Flex or Rupes you could buy either of these and a whole bunch of polishes and pads. I have a bunch of CG products, some I love, some I like, some I'm whatever about. Their videos tend to be kind of over the top and I can see why some people avoid their products. But in the end I don't care how corny or bad the marketing videos are if the product's legit.

But that's just me *shrug*
 
quebert said:
I'm interested in this, the kit they offer is the same price as the machine alone. It comes with their V line polishing sample kit. White, black & red 5.5 hex logic pads & 2 different backing plate. For $199 that seems like a really good deal, even if it's not any better than Megs MT300. I don't have $400 to drop on a DA, but would like to get one soon. I'll wait for review of both and see which is better.

Yes, 8mm throw is going to limit it a lot, but for the price of a Flex or Rupes you could buy either of these and a whole bunch of polishes and pads. I have a bunch of CG products, some I love, some I like, some I'm whatever about. Their videos tend to be kind of over the top and I can see why some people avoid their products. But in the end I don't care how corny or bad the marketing videos are if the product's legit.

But that's just me *shrug*
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just going off a hunch/gut feeling, this DA seems like it would be more powerful than the new megs DA judging by the sound/rotation of the machines in the videos. like i said, a hunch/gut feeling and i could be incorrect which i hope i am because the megs DA looks pretty nice in construction/design. hopefully soon, i will be able to play with both and judge for myself or someone else could chime in with their experience with both...
 
I'm not sure I understand comments like quebert's "Yes, the 8mm throw is going to limit it a lot." How did an 8 mm throw limit the thousands and thousands of amateur and professional detailers using PC, Flex, GG or Meguiars polishers until the Rupes Big Foot was released?
 
What's curious to me, is larger throw is more efficient at polishing and cutting. We already have all these first generation polishers using 8mm throw. So I'm wondering why companies aren't moving up to 10mm or 12mm throw patterns at this price point on DAs. Seems like the one company that can do that would have a comparative advantage over the competition that continues to use the standard 8mm throw. It just seems to me that if Rupes can make a 21mm throw feel as smooth as it does, we should have been seeing some 10-12mm throw products from other companies that can run just as smooth to compete better. That's what I want to see, a 10-12mm throw DA with the ergonomics and smoothness that isn't above $250. Unless these new CG or Meg's polishers have power motors that can push through contours super easy, I guess I'm still expecting a little more right now.
 
Interesting comments. Perhaps -- and I'm only guessing -- it has to do with return on investment. Changing a proven design to accommodate a slight increase in throw surely costs quite a bit of money. A 2 or 3 mm throw increase is truly tiny, to the point where differences in skill and technique likely have a bigger effect on the results than the extra tenth of an inch of throw might.
 
Loach said:
What's curious to me, is larger throw is more efficient at polishing and cutting. We already have all these first generation polishers using 8mm throw. So I'm wondering why companies aren't moving up to 10mm or 12mm throw patterns at this price point on DAs. Seems like the one company that can do that would have a comparative advantage over the competition that continues to use the standard 8mm throw. It just seems to me that if Rupes can make a 21mm throw feel as smooth as it does, we should have been seeing some 10-12mm throw products from other companies that can run just as smooth to compete better. That's what I want to see, a 10-12mm throw DA with the ergonomics and smoothness that isn't above $250. Unless these new CG or Meg's polishers have power motors that can push through contours super easy, I guess I'm still expecting a little more right now.
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i have thought the same thing as well. i would think the 8mm throw is an overall 'safe' and effective throw/pattern to be used (with possibly smaller backing plate and pads) or more material/goods would have to be used to compensate for the extra throw which would cost more money and raise the price of the DA. would a few mm throw make a big difference in which it would obsolete the current traditional DA's with a 8mm throw, who knows. one person who could answer this would be someone like kevin brown or jason rose. i always knew the 8mm throw DA (PC, etc) was a capable machine back in the day, it was just the lack of different pads and liquids to make the machine more effective and look where we are now, it's amazing!
 
Loach said:
What's curious to me, is larger throw is more efficient at polishing and cutting.
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Not so fast!

I have only gone head to head with a Rupes Bigfoot once with my Flex 3401....It was not a fair fight

For heavy correction on anything that isn't completely flat....I will stick with my Flex

And that Bigfoot owner now wants to buy a Flex
 
allenk4 said:
Not so fast!

I have only gone head to head with a Rupes Bigfoot once with my Flex 3401....It was not a fair fight

For heavy correction on anything that isn't completely flat....I will stick with my Flex

And that Bigfoot owner now wants to buy a Flex
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I agree, the forced rotation DA should be even more efficient than just larger throw non-forced rotation DA, it will never bog down. Relative to 8mm throw, a larger throw should always be more efficient at polishing and cutting.

I think the Flex is a great tool, but my hands are in the beginning stages of psoriatic arthritis, and the vibration on the 3401 was still doing a work on my hands after some time with it. I don't know if it was just the specific one I was trying out for the few days that I time with it, but I think I expected it to be a bit easier on the hands. I felt much more comfortable with my rotary, and if I have to spend upwards of $350, it's got to be easier on the hands than the rotary for me. But when it comes to the Rupes 21, I can't spend that much money on a tool that is going to bog in the curves and make me think about using a separate tool for that spot.

I couldn't throw away my money fast enough for a $200-$250 12mm throw near vibration free non-forced DA with the ergonomics of a compact rotary like the Flex PE14 with a slow start trigger and torque control. Something like that may even bog in the curves a little bit, but it will make me put down my PC7424 for life and make me think hard of ever going to the rotary again, and a little bogging in the curves is fine if I'm not spending close to $400 for it.

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i have thought the same thing as well. i would think the 8mm throw is an overall 'safe' and effective throw/pattern to be used (with possibly smaller backing plate and pads) or more material/goods would have to be used to compensate for the extra throw which would cost more money and raise the price of the DA.
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Valid point, I may be very naive to think that it's that much easier to go larger than 8mm cheaply for manufacturers.
 
No DA will ever be as smooth as a decent Rotary

The motion of the machine dictates that there will be vibration due to the directional changes of the pad versus just spinning
 
So has anyone actually tried the torq yet?? I'm debating on buying the torq over a 7424 but don't wanna make the wrong move as far as being able to change the size of backing plates, the length of the machine being able to get to tight places.. looking for input and a good honest review over this tool!
 
andrewblanton said:
So has anyone actually tried the torq yet?? I'm debating on buying the torq over a 7424 but don't wanna make the wrong move as far as being able to change the size of backing plates, the length of the machine being able to get to tight places.. looking for input and a good honest review over this tool!
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The PC has been out forever. Very reliable, but big-time under powered. These days, all popular polishers offer better performance than the PC—like the Griots, Flex, Rupes, Meguiars, even Harbor Freight.
 
I'm sure it'll work just fine, even if it has shortcomings not yet known about until it is out in the wild among general users. The shortcomings of the PC are overcome for the most part with more effort, longer work time, or more aggressive pad or abrasive choices. Using any machine polisher will be easier than correcting a whole car by hand.

That said, the money comes into play. It is double the street price of a PC, with unknown performance or reliability at this time. It is more than the street price of the well-known and liked Meg's 110, more powerful GG6 and the same price as the new (but unknown) Meg's MT300, and truly not much less than the Flex 3401, a machine with a pedigree that is proven to be faster and more effective than floating-spindle, short-throw machines.

I look forward to reviews of this machine.
 
Right on, yeah I mean it seems like another porter cable to me.. I was going to order the Rupes 21 bigfoot but been reading a ton of reviews about it and also I seen this torq rig come out from chemical guys and really trying to get the lowdown on this before I pull the trigger on buying a $400 polisher right now.. currently been using the da from harbor freight and it works great with hexlogic pads all except the backing plate.. it's freaking TERRIBLE and I had to trim it but still seems to tear up pads.. bottom line is I've been detailing for years (own my own company) and always used a rotary until trying the DA and I love it. Just looking for the right investment and don't wanna say "buy the torq when later down the line I'm gonna buy a rupes anyway.."
 
If you love the HF DA, keep using it, but upgrade to a higher quality backing plate
 
Yeah, I like the HF, too. When you upgrade later on you can get a 3" backing plate for it and dedicate it for contours or wet sanding headlamps, or you can get some Cyclo brushes and dedicate it to carpets or tire scrubbing.
 
I've thought of that, does the HF backing plates interchange with all the PC backing plates? If so I need to invest in a polisher for larger areas and use my HF with say a 3 in plate for tight spots, headlamps & carpets..
 
Yeah, look into the Lake Country 125DA 5" or 148DA 6" flexible backing plate, or the Meguiars W67DA 5" or W68DA 6" plates. Personally I'd stick with the 5" plates so as not to bog down the HF. When you upgrade you can move these over to the better machine and get the 3" or brushes for the HF.
 
I think you should try the Meguiar's DA Microfiber System with your HF

The thinner pads rotate better and cut very well with traditional DA's

D300 Compound works very well paired with their cutting disc

I have not used the DAMF pads for the polishing step, but they get very good reviews too

Meguiar's recommends their W67DA backing plate with 5" MF Discs

They are also machine washable, which saves a bit of time when cleaning up
 
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