Tried 845, Got Poor Results

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Nick B

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So after reading on here about how good 845 is I bought some to try on my black 2010 Toyota . This truck is always garaged and has great paint. So I washed ,clay barred, then put the 845 on as thin as possible by hand with a foam pad . It was thin . 30 minutes drying time and then I used microfiber wax removing towels . I did it in the garage and it looked good.
The next day I pulled it out of the garage into the sun . It was a WTF moment . It looked like I had left a thin layer of wax over the entire vehicle . Like I took off a half layer of wax but left the other half on .
When I rub it with a wax towel it just kind of smears but doesn't come off, if you know what I mean .
Help please .
 
I am not sure I know what you mean since I never had this happen. But two things occur to me. One is you not applying as thin as you thought. How much did you put on your pad? After the first two panels you hardly need any product. Just a few drops.Two, you should wipe it off as soon as it starts to haze. This about 3-5 minutes.

Now how do we fix the problem. Try this. Put about five drops (if you haven't already replaced the cap with a flip top from another bottle or put the 845 in a squeeze bottle, do it now) on the pad and apply it over a small area, wait a couple of minutes then wipe off. This the like removes like principle.
 
Doug's explanation is more than likely what's happened to you.

Collinite 845 needs to be applied THIN and evenly ensuring full and complete coverage. While it can and has been done by hand it takes some time and practice to develop proper coverage.

Collinite 845 works well after it hazes which, when applied correctly, takes about 45 minutes. You can also use Collinite 845 as a wipe on, wipe off wax and the results are impressive.

Do what Doug has suggested and cover a small section with product then wipe completely then buff. See if this cleans everything up leaving you with the shine and protection you're looking to achieve.....
 
I have applied 845 by hand many times (still wanting to try machine application) and have always had great results. I use a Pinnacle foam applicator and apply very thin, only using a few drops per panel. I read on here to apply 2 panels then wipe off 1 and I have always done that and it wiped off like it wasn't even there and never had any residue left behind. It sounds to me also like you didn't get it thin enough. Don't give up on it this stuff is awesome, get it thin and it buffs off soooo easy!
 
If you used more than 1/2 oz for the whole car, you used too much.
 
I used 845 on my wife's Highlander (White) a few weeks ago and I really, really liked it. Super easy to apply. Super easy to remove and the finish was super shiny and smooth. Still looks great!

I used my Griot's DA with a Griot's Red pad. Was amazed how little product I had to use. the bottle is gonna last a loooong time I think.

:props:
 
Nick B said:
..... So I washed ,clay barred, then put the 845 on as thin as possible
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After you clay barred you have no mention of any other steps before your application of Colly 845. There were probably, at the least, then, some micro-marring along with claying residue/claying media left on the paint's surface. {I always see some marring after claying; I attempt try to polish out the micro-marring/other imperfections; and I then either wash the vehicle again or use IPA/ mineral spirits for a "squeaky" clean surface before application of LSPs}.

Don't really know if not using the other steps I mentioned is part of the reason(s) you got poor results with Colly 845 or not.

Just saying...something to think about. :)

Bob
 
Nick B said:
When I rub it with a wax towel it just kind of smears but doesn't come off, if you know what I mean .
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Yes, I know exactly what you mean. I did this first time I used it. You used way too much. When you use too much, it doesn't cure and remains tacky. You have to buff the crap out of it for a day or two to get rid of the excess. Next time, prime you pad with like 4 drops. Apply to a panel (entire hood, door, roof). After that you only need a couple drops per panel. If you think you're using too little 845, you're probably using too much. Do not add more unless the pad feels dry while going over a panel. If it glides and leaves some coating, it's fine. I can do an entire car with about a cap full.
 
HeavyMetal said:
Yes, I know exactly what you mean. I did this first time I used it. You used way too much. When you use too much, it doesn't cure and remains tacky. You have to buff the crap out of it for a day or two to get rid of the excess. Next time, prime you pad with like 4 drops. Apply to a panel (entire hood, door, roof). After that you only need a couple drops per panel. If you think you're using too little 845, you're probably using too much. Do not add more unless the pad feels dry while going over a panel. If it glides and leaves some coating, it's fine. I can do an entire car with about a cap full.
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You can test whether there is still product on pad by touching against glass - you will have to remove later
 
I am by far no expert on this, but I just posted my own wash, clay, sealent, 845 by hand in the show and shine. It seems I used somewhere between to much and to thin, but the wax hazed a litte and wiped off easily. That was probably due to the fact, like the above poster mentioned that I covered with a synthetic first. I guess the lithmus test on this will be to watch the wheels on my car, since it produces an inordinate amount of break dust. Hope that helps.
 
I don't like using products where it's stressed to put on THIN! There are more forgiving waxes out there that are more enjoyable to work with. I've never liked USING #845. Great performer, though.
 
Thanks for the post, Nick. I don't have any good input, but I'm glad to find this post because I'm going to attempt to apply 845 for the first time by hand tomorrow, and the posters here provided some great pointers. I hope you're able to get everything worked out.
 
07 z-oh-6 said:
I don't like using products where it's stressed to put on THIN! There are more forgiving waxes out there that are more enjoyable to work with. I've never liked USING #845. Great performer, though.
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I tend to be in the same camp. The product is always called great if you apply thinly. The art of applying thinly is not natural for some. I think this is one reason why you do not see it on the typical OTC car care products shelves.
 
Bunky said:
I tend to be in the same camp. The product is always called great if you apply thinly. The art of applying thinly is not natural for some. I think this is one reason why you do not see it on the typical OTC car care products shelves.
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I agree Al.

Many sealants and waxes are much more forgiving when it comes to applying them a bit heavier. There are allot of car owners that can relate to buying a can of Turtle Wax from a local store, getting it home and applying a nice heavy coat. Once it drys it's a bear to remove but we all did it until we new better.

Old habits die hard and applying Collinite 845 in the same manor will ultimately end up with mess on their hand because the stuff just wont dry.

I do think we overemphasize how thin it must be applied but applying thin will almost guarantee success every time leaving a gorgeous shine.
 
Bunky said:
I tend to be in the same camp. The product is always called great if you apply thinly. The art of applying thinly is not natural for some. I think this is one reason why you do not see it on the typical OTC car care products shelves.
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You mean like Advance Auto.
 
dougaross said:
You mean like Advance Auto.
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Yes but I have heard some stores carry it but I am thinking generally Advance Auto, Auto Zone, Walmart, Pep Boys, Kmart, etc. In the west, mid-west, and north east you have other stores too. In the south, we are a few years behind.
 
My collinite never seems to get a uniform consistency. There are always small clumps in the bottle that haven't dissolved and it makes it so that I can't use it in a squirt bottle, which I think is the best container for it, especially when you are trying to use a tiny amount. Any suggestions? Also, the part that does dissolve is now as think as water, even in my temp-controlled bedroom, any suggestions on what to do to firm it up?
 
suprachica79 said:
My collinite never seems to get a uniform consistency. There are always small clumps in the bottle that haven't dissolved and it makes it so that I can't use it in a squirt bottle, which I think is the best container for it, especially when you are trying to use a tiny amount. Any suggestions? Also, the part that does dissolve is now as think as water, even in my temp-controlled bedroom, any suggestions on what to do to firm it up?
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It's thicker than that but you have to shake it for quite a while when it gets like this, then shake it some more to be sure! Good stuff but IMHO it is best to apply with a machine very thing .... At least that's what works best for me. :buffing:
 
I have it , I use it , I love it . lol anyways I have applied by hand and machine and had no problems what so ever. I surely ain't no seasoned pro and I just used 845 for first time this year . never heard of it before . great stuff . IMO there surely ain't nothing wrong with 845 , it's gotta be the user. anyways if it too thin for u liking just run it under cold water or stick in fridge for a bit. if it too thick well run under hot water. usually just giving it a good shaking will thin it up .
 
Maybe the product was not fully mixed/shaken before it was applied.
 
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