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[Coatingsarecrack]

Some of those products that passed the torture tests with flying colors wear off the car in the same 4-6 weeks of mother nature abrasion as the ones that get wiped out right away.

Unless you are putting those chemicals from torture tests on your car frequently you have to look at them with a grain of salt. Yes I still watch the videos and yes I prefer some of those products that pass those tests.

So many factors go into longevity though.

Turtle wax seal n shine. Got a month with just 2 BH auto foam washes (alkaline). Does great in torture tests. Just figure either way you get a month


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[Coatingsarecrack]

unfortunately very few people do those tests, and even then it is very hard to really compared two products. You can only go with what people are saying online , which is even harder because people have different driving habits, some maintain there cars more than others, some leave on cleaner cities than other, the weather could be different too , some people may be even exaggerating the longevity of the product just because they like the product .

Is the torture test a definite answer , hell no, but it is the prefer go to metric that the vast majority goes by and it is technically a more fair test if you were to compare 2 products in one day . I still say the torture test is a test with many flaws but it is still a test that gives you an idea of the durability of a product. I mean , products that are known for bad durability ( beadmaker) tend to do bad on the torture test and in real driving conditions they tend to fail early and products that are known for durability ( seal and shine) and do well on these torture test usually do better in real driving conditions.

There is a trend with the torture test that usually goes with what people are seeing in real driving conditions for the most parts. There may be exceptions , but overall the torture test is not that far from the truth

I’d have to disagree. The torture test is nothing like real life . Even if stuff if rain grime dirt is somewhat same in PH to the products they use the don’t get agitated in.

Completely different environment


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[rick100]

I’d have to disagree. The torture test is nothing like real life . Even if stuff if rain grime dirt is somewhat same in PH to the products they use the don’t get agitated in.

Completely different environment


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So a product that does bad in a torture test with just chemicals is somehow going to do better on a worst environment?. I find it hard to believe that. My experience has been a little bit different, but I m still trying different products so there may be some truth to that

Products like reload, beadmaker , F11, have done terrible on torture tests and we all know there durability is questionable in real life conditions . I personally like reload stuff and it has been my go to sealant for a long time , but I top reload every 2 months. Even on my "garage queen " car reload may last me 3 months at most. I do not know every product though . I can just go by what I tried and what i ve seen .

There are other products that have done fantastic in a torture test like seal and shine, lite coatings, ceramic coatings, and they do somewhat great in real life conditions.

I don't expect more than 3 months durability , even on good sealants , on a daily car that is park outside 24/7 in a Canadian winter environment, even in the summer time there is ton of construction around my area so the car gets dirty quick. If a sealant does bad on a torture tests for me its already a red flag, so unless the sealant is giving me some type of good gloss like beadmaker or tac shinee , or the sealant comes in cheaper than other options like turtle wax products , I do not see the point in buying it . On that particular product I mentioned , you are paying ceramic coating price already

I wouldn't pay premium price for a product unless it is outstanding in one category, by outstanding, I mean a lot better than other products.

But I will give that the product says its environmental friendly, and I think the premium price has a lot to do with that. Which is fine , it is important for a lot of people

 

[BudgetPlan1]

I’d have to disagree. The torture test is nothing like real life . Even if stuff if rain grime dirt is somewhat same in PH to the products they use the don’t get agitated in.

Completely different environment

Where LSP's in particular are concerned, a 'torture test' is akin to looking at a sunset through a straw and declaring it the most beautiful ever; it's a very, very narrow view of the entire experience. I can certainly understand the reasoning behind their use in the realm of YouTube product testing, that being that nobody wants to read/watch a story with no ending or conclusion and ya can't do 'long term' in a 15 minute YouTube video. So, we come up with the 'torture test' to use a somewhat believable methodology (and I use the word 'believable' very, very loosely) designed to wrap up the entire enchilada in a quick view format. Problem being that it is simply not 'real world' and the real world is a very, very different place that a YouTuber's garage. Although I live in Cleveland where our river once caught on fire and we still do emissions testing because of air quality issues, I have yet to encounter a rainstorm of APC or degreaser...it just doesn't happen.

Polishes, compounds and other such product can be completely evaluated in a short YouTube video and would be a fair and accurate representation but passing judgement on something in 'real world conditions' based on a simulated longevity substitute is, at best, a 50-50 proposition; it will either come out as noted in video or it won't. May as well flip a coin at that point.

A realistic example of this is the above mentioned "Cheap V Expensive' test of Gtechniq C2V3 & IGL Premier. I've used both products (heck, C2V3 was such a downer that I bought a bottle 1.5 years later to try it again just to see if I had somehow missed something in my initial experience with it) and I'll take IGL Premier any day of the week due to how it performed on my test panels. These test panels were the hoods of vehicles that drove around in the weather for a few thousand miles...C2V3 didn't hold a candle to IGL Premier in any measure except cost. I didn't throw any chemicals at 'em or anything like that but rather let the outside world and Mother Nature take care of that.

A short YouTube vid can put something in your head as "Hey, maybe I wanna try that..." but it's a mere starting point for further due diligence as to how it will REALLY do when you spray it on your car. And I'd trust the actual experiences of many members of these forums before I'd make a purchasing decision based on a YouTube 'Influencers' recommendations of their 15 minutes experience with a product, even if they let a school of great White Sharks puke on the test panels (very, very powerful digestive enzymes)...although that would certainly be a video I'd bookmark for multiple viewings.

Just my opinion so YMMV.

 

[rick100]

100$ canadian for a 500 ml bottle is a high price to pay for a sealant... I can get cquartz uk with reload package as a package for cheaper in Canada.

I m all for trying new products, but there is a price point where I need to check more sources... As many flaws as a torture tests can have, the same could be said for online members and their experiences. I can tell you that reload on my daily may last 4-6 weeks , in the winter much less, if its raining season could be less. On my garage queen that sleeps inside 3 months , maybe a bit more . There is just too many variables , it doesnt matter if it is a youtuber or online forum members.

It could be a great product and all. I would personally be much less inclined to try a new product that costs more than a reputable ceramic coating. It could be a great product , but for me it would have to be that much greater to even consider it at that price point.

IGL could even be what I m looking for as a standalone product but putting my trust on a few people experiences with that price point is a 50/50 without some hard evidence to back it up. I like detailing and I probably spend a lot more than I should on equipment but I do have other expensive hobbies and I still want to buy more equipment haha

 

[Craig Encinitas]

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There’s that saying...

Find something that works for you, and use it often.

 

[BudgetPlan1]

100$ canadian for a 500 ml bottle is a high price to pay for a sealant... I can get cquartz uk with reload package as a package for cheaper in Canada.

I m all for trying new products, but there is a price point where I need to check more sources... As many flaws as a torture tests can have, the same could be said for online members and their experiences. I can tell you that reload on my daily may last 4-6 weeks , in the winter much less, if its raining season could be less. On my garage queen that sleeps inside 3 months , maybe a bit more . There is just too many variables , it doesnt matter if it is a youtuber or online forum members.

It could be a great product and all. I would personally be much less inclined to try a new product that costs more than a reputable ceramic coating. It could be a great product , but for me it would have to be that much greater to even consider it at that price point.

IGL could even be what I m looking for as a standalone product but putting my trust on a few people experiences with that price point is a 50/50 without some hard evidence to back it up. I like detailing and I probably spend a lot more than I should on equipment but I do have other expensive hobbies and I still want to buy more equipment haha

All valid points. Sometimes ya just gotta roll the dice and hope for the best!

Once ya hang around forums for a while, you kinda get a feel for the folks who can judge products accurately, albeit in their particular climates. Heck, I found my favorite coatings from an well-respected Autopia Forum member (Are ya still watching, Ronkh? :angel: ) who suggested I try the maintenance spray and when that did so well, I found a user on an Australian forum who had a lengthy post outlining his long term use of same brand of coatings.

Like the products themselves, research and value can take many different paths and however you arrive at the destination, the journey is part of the fun no matter which road ya take. :xyxthumbs:

 

[PA DETAILER]

I am currently quite happy the standard HS line. I use the wet wax quite often after my washes to maintain the spray coating. I might try the flex wax come spring just to try it.

 

[Coatingsarecrack]

So a product that does bad in a torture test with just chemicals is somehow going to do better on a worst environment?. I find it hard to believe that. My experience has been a little bit different, but I m still trying different products so there may be some truth to that

Products like reload, beadmaker , F11, have done terrible on torture tests and we all know there durability is questionable in real life conditions . I personally like reload stuff and it has been my go to sealant for a long time , but I top reload every 2 months. Even on my "garage queen " car reload may last me 3 months at most. I do not know every product though . I can just go by what I tried and what i ve seen .

There are other products that have done fantastic in a torture test like seal and shine, lite coatings, ceramic coatings, and they do somewhat great in real life conditions.

I don't expect more than 3 months durability , even on good sealants , on a daily car that is park outside 24/7 in a Canadian winter environment, even in the summer time there is ton of construction around my area so the car gets dirty quick. If a sealant does bad on a torture tests for me its already a red flag, so unless the sealant is giving me some type of good gloss like beadmaker or tac shinee , or the sealant comes in cheaper than other options like turtle wax products , I do not see the point in buying it . On that particular product I mentioned , you are paying ceramic coating price already

I wouldn't pay premium price for a product unless it is outstanding in one category, by outstanding, I mean a lot better than other products.

But I will give that the product says its environmental friendly, and I think the premium price has a lot to do with that. Which is fine , it is important for a lot of people

I apologize it seems you read my quote as you are wrong. I did not. I said i disagree which means I have a different opinion. Neither of us can prove what we say we just form opinons on data we gathered and I came up with a different conclusion.

I did a test (you can find it under griots 3-1). And got a month out of seal n shine and it was out performed by 3-1 everystep of the way.

Who’s to say real world is a “worse” environment. I’d think throwing harsh chemicals stacked back to back is way worse.

Also as i said different environment completely with no similarity. We aren’t throwing Apc’s, wheel cleaners and tar removers at out LSP’s daily and rubbing them in.

Just restating what i posted as it was not to start a debate. You formed your opinion and my intent was not to change it but let others who read now and later that I don’t agree (as many other’s) with your statements.

Neither of us have the scientific data to disprove one another. Just giving our opinions.

Lastly as you pointed out. We all will have different experiences based on our conditions. Paint type, preparation, temperature, humidity, weather. Products will perform differently for us all unless anyone hear are neighbors sharing the same garage with the same car, bought from the same place at same time.

And second lastly i would trust someone here using the product in a real world environment possibly similar to yours who bought their product and not making a video for income or possible future income over a youtube video guy.


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[Coatingsarecrack]

Lastly not to thread jack but @AcuRAS82 what’s your opinion of IGL premier vs Cosmic Spritz vs Overcoat. I put IGL in the premium topper category and not coating lite’s.

If you don’t feel like posting here or starting new thread, pm me.


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[packfan]

Don't know about this stuff but Adam's Graphene Spray is impressive!

 

[Coatingsarecrack]

Don't know about this stuff but Adam's Graphene Spray is impressive!

I just got some good to hear. Funny but Jimbo did a couple of tests and first one he was impressed. Funny though, performed like new till i don’t know 5 or 9th Spray and then just stopped working.

Theirs a you tube guy who at last update got 11 weeks strong on tailgate of his Everyday truck. Thats what did it for me. Strong performance for 3 months.... i’ll likely use as a 4 month topper on coating.


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[Rsurfer]

These companies have to create new products to generate buzz (and revenue). It does not mean that the newer products are any better in a meaningful way than the older products. I actually think most products are just average - kinda logical if you think about it. Some are worse and some are better but most are just average. For instance, the Seal N Shine seemed good initially; it had nice beading, stayed fairly clean and was good to wash. But the more I used it, the more I found out that it's not *that* much better than similar spray wax products. It's actually more difficult to use than similar products, though its beading lasts longer. So, we have to use products long term to know what they are all about.

I think these graphene products will fall into the hot buzz category. I mean, why does everyone release similar products after one company comes out with that particular feature? I guess they don't want to miss out on the business opportunity to capture the *temporary* public enthusiasm. In a little while another revolutionary product will arrive only to be replaced by another revolutionary product a little while later. But hey, this gives these companies a fresh new revenue stream. This is not to imply that products don't improve over time. It's just that the rate of improvement is not anywhere near what we are told.

The same was said about ceramic coating when they first appeared on the market.

IMO graphene is the future, not only in automotive, but in construction, household, even flight.

 

[The Guz]

I just got some good to hear. Funny but Jimbo did a couple of tests and first one he was impressed. Funny though, performed like new till i don’t know 5 or 9th Spray and then just stopped working.

Theirs a you tube guy who at last update got 11 weeks strong on tailgate of his Everyday truck. Thats what did it for me. Strong performance for 3 months.... i’ll likely use as a 4 month topper on coating.


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Some don’t realize that a coating can take longer to cure. Some continue for 30 days to reach the max cure.

The 4 hours or 24 hours is the allowed time it can get wet with water. Nothing about chemicals at this point.

I agree that real world is the true test and not these torture test.

If a product fails in one wash what amount of time does that equate to? 1 month? 3 months? 6 months?

People get sucked into these tests but oh well. That is the nature of YouTube reviews.

The same was said about ceramic coating when they first appeared on the market.

IMO graphene is the future, not only in automotive, but in construction, household, even flight.

How do you feel about your beloved CarPro not getting into the graphene market. Sorry man I just had to push tour buttons a bit haha.

FYI none of these graphene coatings have shown much difference over a typical coating. From an overall performance standpoint and the water spotting issue. Perhaps the next versions will if graphene even sticks around.

Gyeon made a good point that they can infuse a coating with anything but is there a benefit. Was an interesting discussion they had on their Gyeon show. They are also. It getting into the graphene scene anytime soon as is Gtechniq and Feynlab. They must know something we don’t.

 

[Coatingsarecrack]

Agreed on everything but automotive.... at least graphene in current form. Coatings not thick enough for graphene to lay down right to give strength.

That being said I believe graphene is the marketing aspect of it. If a company making graphene products comes out with something new and revolutionary it will probably be in their graphene line as thats whats marketable.

In essence the product with or with out graphene will be amazing but adding graphene makes it marketable.

Weather you for it or think it’s snake oil.... look how much it’s been touted, posted about, debated in this forum by us who know detailing better?

Good or bad buzz is still buzz and it would smart marketing to jump in the buzz. Their are more people in the general consumer market looking to get the next greatest buzzy thing rather than debunk it.


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[Nav45]

The same was said about ceramic coating when they first appeared on the market.

IMO graphene is the future, not only in automotive, but in construction, household, even flight.

Sorry, I deleted my post. Seemed too wordy.

As to graphene, maybe you're right. Maybe it's more than a bunch of companies trying to capitalize on the moment. We will see but true ceramic coatings are still a very small fraction of the overall market. But that hasn't stopped companies from putting si02 on things where it doesn't make sense. Silica, coating and si02 are being thrown around all over the place. Are these products that much more durable or beneficial from previous spray products? Maybe but the difference is very small. I do understand that from a business perspective one must not remain stagnant. I'm looking at it from the consumer side.

The average Joe will see these new buzzwords and be drawn in - not knowing that his current products perform within 5% of this newest latest item. For instance, I saw where one of the more well known "spray coatings" was compared to a lower priced item (4 times lower priced) and the latter far out performed it. I mean, the company even spells out the ingredients in the item to make sure you know what you're getting. But does that make a difference in the real world? Not from what I've seen.

Sorry I'm not down playing any of the new products. It's just that we have so many new products being thrown at us constantly that one needs to step back a bit.

 

[Nav45]

Weather you for it or think it’s snake oil.... look how much it’s been touted, posted about, debated in this forum by us who know detailing better?

Good or bad buzz is still buzz and it would smart marketing to jump in the buzz. Their are more people in the general consumer market looking to get the next greatest buzzy thing rather than debunk it.


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Of course, that's viral marketing for you. You have the various characters pushing the products via their "reviews." The manufacturers + retailers as well as the "reviewers" benefit from this - one gets the sales and the other gets views. Not saying it's bad or anything but you have to see it for what it is.

BTW, some of those graphene products look like more work for less durability, at least chemically speaking. In real life, maybe they do offer more than the average spray product. We don't know yet but I guess we will find out. The buzz is real

 

[Rsurfer]

How do you feel about your beloved CarPro not getting into the graphene market. Sorry man I just had to push tour buttons a bit haha.





They replaced Graphene with SiC.

I'm happy with UK3.0, Professional, Finest and now SiC.

 

[Coatingsarecrack]

Some don’t realize that a coating can take longer to cure. Some continue for 30 days to reach the max cure.

The 4 hours or 24 hours is the allowed time it can get wet with water. Nothing about chemicals at this point.

I agree that real world is the true test and not these torture te

Yeah I didn’t even think of that. Most say don’t get wet for 4/24 hours and don’t wash for at least a week. If a soap which is usually close to PH neutral is no good before cured then not using product how it should.


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[Rsurfer]

Yeah I didn’t even think of that. Most say don’t get wet for 4/24 hours and don’t wash for at least a week. If a soap which is usually close to PH neutral is no good before cured then not using product how it should.


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The problem is water spotting.